Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
lol, r u kidding me? hurt 2 families lol, families of who, these militant, they r terrorist buddy remember? they have no family! loads of reasons like embarresment?
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well i think u forgot the Naik muhammed ( south wazeeristan ) he was also matyred by missile attack n Johar dodayoof ( President of islamic republic of chichniya) was martyred by russian soldiers with the help of Americans...
What do u think abt our ARMY they don't have the ability to arrest 80 ppl's....these innocent ppl is martyred just like israel soldiers who r killing muslims ... but here muslim is killing muslim thats the main point...
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^^ These people will riot even if Osama and Zawahiri were killed....
These people r living in their own fantasy world and its about time that Pakistani Army bursts that bubble
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Just because 1 man is a militant or terrorist, does not mean his whole family is one.
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Umm, im sure there were people who saw this happen (what kinda of helicoptoer, what direction they came from, how many, make and type of missiles fired, maybe a look at the the faces of the soldiers as well to see if they were brown or white etc etc), but perhaps we wont hear from them as no media/journalist, foreign or local, were/are allowed there. What we know is what is spewing out of the PR machine, ie. these were militants, this was a madrassa, these were terrorist, they had links to AlCIAda etc etc.
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
In that "madrassa" attack the deputy leader of the Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) Maulvi Liaqat was killed along with his key henchman.
In case anyone missed the fact, the Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) openly preaches hatred of Shia Muslims, and has been involved in sectarian killings for many, many years.
Good riddance!
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The 80 people were completely innocent, some of them were Hafiz-e-Quran. Actually murder of these innocent people was a gift for Charles.
Allah un ko Jannat ul Firdos main jagah aata farmaye. Aameen
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^
Actually Maulvi Liaqat and his goons killed in the attack were Shia hating murderers.
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how exactly do you know who got killed and who didnt?
are you there at the scene?
have you conducted DNA tests on the victims and coorelated to the ISI's DNA database to see if there any wanted terrorists?
or you just bring stuff out of the blue
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
are you there at the scene?
have you conducted DNA tests on the victims and coorelated to the ISI's DNA database to see if there any wanted terrorists?
or you just bring stuff out of the blue
It is the responsibility of the govt to prove that they have killed terrorists not the dead people to prove their innocence. It is shameful that we are deploying Israeli tactics of pre emptive strikes to kill people and then label them as terrorist, even though they are our own citizens. It would have been better to blame the masters instead of claiming responsibility for this blunder
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were these men terrorists??
the nato forces are only getting amature resistence in helmand which is in south afghanistan. what group were these men part of? does anyone know, no guesses please
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Umm..no..the faces will have been too dark to see. Most of the eyewitnesses report what they heard, they didnt actually see anything, just they heard thuds going into the hillside 20 minutes later. Media wasnt allowed in, as is standard procedure in any operation like this. Who to believe, I dont know, but why automatically jump to the side of the locals, who could very well be al-CIAda?
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are you there at the scene?
have you conducted DNA tests on the victims and coorelated to the ISI's DNA database to see if there any wanted terrorists?
or you just bring stuff out of the blue
I presume you have conducted DNA test, photo-match with terrorist lists, found out the weapons/ammunition they were being trained with... care to share pictures of such?
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It's a simple question of who you believe. Some locals who are currently saying that it was a completely innocent school, and other locals who say it was a meeting place for launching offensives into Afghanistan, or the Pakistani Army who are holding the line that it was surveyed and they concluded it was a militant training camp like some of the locals.
Why do people so readily believe the couple of locals who say it was completely innocent? Even some locals admit it was a terrorist training camp.
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
^ which locals said that it was for launching offensives into Afghanistan? Haven't come across any yet.
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I could not understand that why some people in Pakistan (and many on this forum) think/believe that if there are people living and training in tribal areas but not fighting Pakistani forces rather fighting forces in Afghanistan, they are no threat to Pakistan.
Actually, they are serious threat as they are provoking (and attacking) another country (Afghanistan) using Pakistan as their base (and safe heaven).
There are three things to think.
** 1:** If these tribal are interfering in Afghanistan affairs, are they doing with the consent of Pakistan government?
Answer is NO.
If the answer is No, then Pakistan should try to do whatever they can to stop them and if they are using arms against Pakistan forces, they deserve elimination (killed).
** 2:** Even if Pakistan consent was neutral (that it is not), then also, question is that, the forces these tribal are fighting (USA and NATO), is Pakistan ready to fight those forces if they attack Pakistan?
Answer is NO.
Thus, as the answer is ‘no’, then what Pakistan should do? As doing nothing means attack by those forces these tribal are fighting. This attack by those forces (USA and NATO) would be bombing Pakistan plus sanctions on Pakistan (that can cripple Pakistan economy as well as would make Pakistan weak militarily).
[Note: Pakistan has strong military but that strength is comparative to local forces, not forces like USA and NATO. Actually, most of Pakistan military equipments are American or Europeans (Pakistan depends on America and NATO countries militarily) and the country Pakistan exports most is USA. Next come Japan and NATO countries are also not far behind (thus Pakistan depends on USA and NATO economically too)].
** 3:** Thus, if Pakistan is not willing to fight the forces (USA and NATO) these tribal are fighting and neither wants heavy bombing and sanctions on Pakistan, Pakistan has two choices:
** A:** Stop these tribal fighting in Afghanistan from using Pakistani territory (as they are compromising the security of Pakistan). There are two ways to do that (whatever is possible):
*** A1:*** Most preferable way would be to tell these tribal to stay within the law of the country, do not interfere in Afghanistan and do not give refuge to those Afghans that are fighting in Afghanistan. There should be no cross border illegal crossing.
Pakistan tried the above unsuccessfully. It seems that these tribal think that they can do whatever they like and Pakistan has no right to stop them. Thus, these people, who have no respect for laws of the land they live, do not understand the language of laws. Thus, option ‘A1’ is out of door.
*** A2:*** Second method is to use Pakistan army to stop them and that is what Pakistan is doing. These people are resisting and in consequence, they are killing Pakistan army personals and Pakistan army is killing them. It is not extra judicial killing because both side are armed and killing each other. Where Army is killing to safeguard Pakistan and Pakistan interest, these miscreants are killing army to compromise security of Pakistan.
B: Well, other then trying to stop these tribal using law or force, Pakistan also has second choice. That is, tell USA and NATO forces in Afghanistan that Pakistan cannot control them and thus, Pakistan would not object if American and NATO forces do whatever they want in Pakistani territory these tribal are using, to destroy these tribal that are fighting them.
Second option (B) means that American and NATO forces bomb the area freely and Pakistan do not come forward to defend Pakistani territories. That would be disastrous for many peaceful Pakistanis living in tribal areas as many will get killed due to indiscriminate bombing by USA and NATO, for no reason.
Letting USA and NATO to bomb these tribal wanting to fight, in Pakistani territories, would also mean, Pakistan army not defending Pakistan sovereignty that they should and that would be sad (politically and morally).
If tribal fighting in Afghanistan would prefer that Pakistan army should not fight them, they should stop infiltrating into Afghanistan from Pakistan and lay their arms, or they leave Pakistani territories and do whatever they want from somewhere in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, what they want to do is that, they want to launch all attacks from Pakistan and want that USA and NATO do not come to haunt them in Pakistan nor Pakistan army should haunt them, but that option is not available.
They think that it is same as when Mujahadeen were fighting Russia, without realising that at that time, USA was fully behind Pakistan and at present, there is no one behind Pakistan. Thus, if USA (and NATO) attacks Pakistan, Pakistan has to defend itself on their own, and Pakistan does not want that, nor Pakistan is prepare for that.
The example of above scenario that Pakistan is facing is that of a man living next to a strongman: That man (Pakistan government) has few kids (tribal taliban) living in his house (Pakistan) that throw stones in the house of strongman (USA, NATO in Afghanistan). Strongman comes and tells the man (Pak govt) that to either control the kids or he would enter the house and would break kids jaw. This man knows that he cannot stop the strongman, as strongman is too strong for him. Thus, to stop the kids throwing stone, this man tells the kids not to throw the stone (obey the law), but if kids do not listen (as tribal taliban do not want to listen), he can beat them up.
Other option is to let the strongman do what ever he would like (that is bomb the whole of tribal area using aerial bombing, and later send people from Afghanistan into Pakistan tribal area to clean the mess).
[Note: Certainly, when it comes to controlling uncontrollable area within Pakistan, like tribal areas, where population of armed miscreants (law-breakers) willing to kill law-enforcers (army and others), are mixed with innocent civilians, there is no doubt that innocent casualties would happen.
Regardless, as options exists with Pakistan, whatever happening in tribal area is for safety and security of Pakistan and for best interest of tribal innocents too. Pakistan is not prepared to go to war with USA and NATO for Afghanistan or for tribal Taliban that wants free hand in Pakistan to keep launching attacks on Afghanistan from Pakistan [as that can bring attack (or operation) from USA and NATO on Pakistan tribal area].
Other option is worse and that is, to let USA and NATO operate unchecked in the tribal areas and if they want to, do as much aerial bombing as they like, killing many innocents Pakistanis. Further, USA and NATO may also send people loyal to them in Pakistan, under their supervision and in cover of aerial bombing to sort things up in tribal Pakistan, while Pakistan keep looking other way (and thus that option is worse)].
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
**Press questions over madrassa attack **
The anger expressed in Pakistan’s tribal areas following the deadly missile attack on a religious school in Bajaur near the border with Afghanistan is reflected in some - but by no means all - of the country’s media outlets.
A former top official in the North West Frontier Province warns on Pakistan TV that the attack could spread revolt in the tribal areas, while one paper demands that Islamabad abandon its “pro-US policies”.
But most dailies believe the government was right to act, although they also say it must now provide proof that the madrassa was a militants’ training camp.
NAWA-I-WAQT
This is a big national tragedy. It is the duty of the government of Pakistan to condemn the incident and lodge the strongest protest against Nato forces and the US. The government should now end its pro-US policies, or otherwise relinquish power.
FORMER NWFP OFFICIAL KHALID AZIZ ON GEO TV
In my view the impact of this strike in which so many lives have been lost will be very negative. Number one, the government’s credibility has now been totally eroded… I foresee that in future these revolts will spread into every tribal agency and it will be very difficult to control them because we are now not in control of our national objectives.
**DAWN **
One should not be surprised if the carnage at the madrassa leads to a backlash in the entire tribal belt… Besides paying compensation to the families of those found to be innocent victims, the government must order an inquiry so that facts can be ascertained and responsibility assigned. At the same time, the decision to ban journalists’ entry into the Bajaur agency is not prudent. It suggests that the government may have much to hide.
ISLAM
According to a US television channel and eyewitnesses, US aircraft were involved… We believe Pakistan has lost hundreds of its citizens by playing a front-line role in the US war on terror. The government should get rid of this so-called war right away and ensure the security of its own citizens.
THE DAILY TIMES
The government is most probably right when it says there were terrorists in Bajaur and that it killed them after warning them. But it has to prove what it says with some solid evidence. If it can’t do that, the vacuum will be filled by rumours and Bajauri protestations of innocence. In the event, the attack could become a very costly operation.
THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL
The government is not exactly in a very enviable position. But one thing is for sure: extremism, militancy and support for jihadi outfits have to be eliminated and for that the government doesn’t need any “dictation” from the US or any other country because this is very much in our own national interest.
JANG
We believe the government has to prove that the action was indispensable… If the people killed really were terrorists, was it not possible to postpone the action until after a peace deal was signed, after which the matter could be handed over to the tribal elders? It is the duty of the government to satisfy the people in view of the growing anger and reaction.
**PAKISTAN **
The government must overcome the doubts of the people on this very sensitive issue and satisfy them. The government should constitute a commission of impartial judges of the Supreme Court which could tell the people the truth. The people of Pakistan have the right to know what was the crime of those killed, what kind of terrorist activities they were involved in and who were the terrorists killed in the incident. The nation should also be informed of how many weapons and training materials were recovered from the targeted site.
Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | Press questions over madrassa attack
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Was a report from Dawn.
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
I hate to say this but Pakistan government should deliver a few more decisive blows in the area so they can give the clearest possible message that they will not forget again. Cowering back after one strike makes the government agenda appear weak and can be hijacked easily. Ofcourse killing is never good but rebellion is worse. These tribals should be made to realize in the language they understand that they are not above the law and they are part of Pakistan and if they do things to screw the country then they should be treated like traitors. I know this sounds very harsh but if their actions are not reigned in then it brings much harsher counsequences for Pakistan and a much more vast majority of people are affected by it.
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even if they are terrorist trainee group why we are all forgeting some things - what happen to arresting/proof/court etc? even government go directly and bomb? then why we need court jails etc? just shoot?
also what about some peopel in there may be innocent people - like working here cleaning etc? it is ok to bomb them also?
finally is there something called law or not? or you just go bomb because you have some suspicioun? how you prove anything after bombing?
why nobody worry about basic law that government also has to follow?