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its just these buffoons living on our border areas who are impeding our progress
they are not 'buffoons'
you need to gather yourself
these are our own westerners, their shortcomings is a reflection of pakistans faillure. a management faillure of governments
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The fact that missile was launched by US drone speaks loudly of “Pakistan needs to assert full government control” 
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They use schools as meeting grounds just like Iraqi insurgents use mosques to store ammonution and guns and then complain when those areas are targetted
Its these militants who bring the war to these areas.....
If any innocents died, the miltants are responsible
Militants also live in houses just in case you didn't know.
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its just these buffoons living on our border areas who are impeding our progress
in that case we need to seal our borders and NOT seal lives of our people.
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Quite Sad.... I think this was instigated by US intelligence. They thought they had concrete info which had to be followed up on, and thus forced Pak forces to act. Although I suspect this was carried out by the Americans with the Pkistani authoirites taking the credit.
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I heard one military spokesperson (name shaukat I think) on radio - he said when bbc asked him how they know these are terrorist and he said they saw them training in weapons, explosives and physical training and why if only student they need this?
Then bbc asked him "then why local people say these are students not terrorist" and he said "because in local language they will say taleban for student or terroist".
all I can say is how we will ever know truth
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if media was allowed to go in immediately after the blast we could've seen weapons/ammunition the students were being trained with and then we may not have had much argument about militants vs innocent.
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Mile by Miles, Afghan Quagmire is Expanding
**By Abid Ullah Jan
10/31/06 “****Information Clearing House” – - **Pakistan’s military carried out yet another strike on a religious school (madrassa) allegedly used by al-Qaeda. According to Reuters, the school was being used as a militant training camp.[1] Eighty people died in the pre-dawn assault.According to Pakistan military, ““We received confirmed intelligence reports that 70 to 80 militants were hiding in a madrassa [school] used as a terrorist-training facility, which was destroyed by an army strike, led by helicopters.”[2]
Based on the available facts we come to three conclusions: 1. This was a terrorist military attack; 2. Afghanistan is expanding mile by mile into Pakistan, and 3) pakistan military is digging a deeper grave for itself with each tactic that it copies from American and Israeli occupation forces. In other words, Pakistani army, acting like an occupation force, is alienating its own population and turning Pakistan into anther Afghanistan region by region.
To establish that this was a terrorist attack, we have to look at these facts: a) The attack was carried out without any attempt being made to capture the alleged “terrorists” and “militants.” b) The “terrorists” and “militants” were not engaged in a fire fighting, rather a decision was made to blow-up the school building regardless of the fact that it will definitely have many children as students and some innocent people with the “evil terrorists” as well. c) The area was not inaccessible for the Pakistan military. d) The area was not outside the jurisdiction of Pakistan and military could easily reach and surround the area and the school building. e) The brave military could use the same helicopters to drop its elite commando forces to capture or kill those who may have decided to fight. f) The government could use many different options to arrest and bring the alleged “terrorist” before the public to prove its allegations. g) Even if all the “terrorist” had fled away, the government could prove its point by showing how the school was a not a school but a training camp. At the very least, in case of some arrests, it could trade the captured “terrorists” for a few million more dollars from the United States.
Without resorting to any of the above steps, the military followed foot-steps of the American and Israeli forces, as if they were attacking a territory outside Pakistan borders, and raised the madrassa to the ground while its inhabitants were asleep. According to al-Jazeera report, the military spokesman, Mr. sultan said there was no collateral damage, but “Chingai’s residents were seen collecting bodies of children from the rubble.”
A local reporter told the Reuters news agency: “The bodies are beyond recognition. They are badly mutilated. Limbs were being collected by local people in cloth sheets.”
The same local people held a rally a few days back to condemn policies of the military dictator in Pakistan. With this kind of terrorist attack the feelings of isolation and alienation grow. People feel like they are suffering military occupation at home, where the local military resorts to American and Israeli tactics to please their masters in Washington and London.
Regardless of what we are told by the dictatorial regime in Islamabad, local people know the truth. The innocents who died in this attack belong to them. Local people do not believe in the government charade and CNN stories when they have their innocent relatives and little children lying before them in pieces. They believe what they see with their own eyes. Just two days before the latest terrorist and cowardly military strike, 3,000 locals held a rally near Khar, raising slogans against the military regime and U.S. occupation of Afghanistan. Imagine their feelings after this callous and cowardly assault.
The military regime in Islamabad cannot claim that local residents will have any sympathy or respect left for Pakistan armed forces of even Pakistan. It has effectively lost this region and loyalty of its residents to the government of Pakistan. That’s how inch by inch Pakistan is losing its writ, alienating its people and losing control.
Pakistan military is not only losing its credibility and respect in the regions it is treating as occupied areas, but also among general population. What is most shameful is accepting responsibility for the carnage carried out by the U.S. and Nato forces. Pakistani authorities claimed immediately that the raid was carried out by Pakistani forces. However, Asia Times Online contacts on the spot are convinced that the raid was undertaken by North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces. Recently, Islamabad agreed with NATO that it could conduct operations in Pakistan from across the border in Afghanistan.[3] if this is true, then this is a true disgrace for pakistan army which is now proudly taking full responsibility for the bloody handy work of the US occupying forces inside Afghanistan.
That’s how mile by mile Pakistan is turning into another Afghanistan. That’s how Afghanistan is expanding with the war of terrorism in which Pakistan military cannot pretend to be innocent bystander. It is doing exactly what the U.S. and Israeli forces are doing in the areas under their occupation. Worst still is the fact that Pakistani forces are not operating in occupied land against other people. Furthermore, it is Pakistani government that has been sending innocent people, its own people, to the torture camps in Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere. These are the people, most of whom even the US authorities found to be innocent and subsequently released. That’s how Pakistan army and the military regimes has surpassed Israelis and Americans in their crimes against humanity.
No matter how sour this fact may be to swallow, but the military authorities can hardly deny the writing on the wall. When the expanded Afghanistan become a quagmire for the occupiers, Pakistan army will face the same fate as the terrorist warriors from abroad.
Abid Ullah Jan is the author of Afghanistan: The Genesis of the Final Crusade.
Notes
[1] Anwarullah Khan, “Pakistan army kills up to 80 at Qaeda-linked school, Reuters, October 30, 2006. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL72506.htm
[2] “Scores killed in Pakistani military assault,” Al-Jazeera.net, October 30, 2006. URL: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/576BC18A-9416-422F-BFED-1165F66D908B.htm
[3] See Saleem Shazad, “another deadly Blow for Pakistan,” Asia Times online, October 31, 2006.
Re: Pakistan kills 80 Islamic Madrassa Students
i dont care if the missile was launched from Mars
These people are a strategic threat to Pakistan and if some innocents died, thats sad but this is war
We need to eliminate this terrorist presence on Pakistani borders and expel these arab jihadists
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they live in houses but meet in places which are not at risk of being bombed such as schools
but today they learned that is not the case
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how can we seal the borders when our own tribal cheifs wont allow any government presnece there and openly fight our forces
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then how can you say "assert control" when someone else is doing the work and you are barely a spectator?
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you can assert control by taking out these people who are anti-government forces
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unless you mean your so-called-friend-is-also-you
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These people have sheltered foreign terrorists, conducted bombings in pakistan, openly fought government troops, de-stabilized our entire border region.
These may seem as ok things to you but are serious breaches in pakistani security as far as I am concerned.
And if that means we need to conduct harsh measures to take out these terrorists then so be it.
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The people in the Madrassah were militants, not students.
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if they were "militants" why were independent journalist not allowed there? simply logical question, but they wont because they dont want anothe hayaullah like situation when he embaresed govt when he published US missle pictures in the nek muhammad murder incident!
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Perhaps because they'll be photographing lots of body parts and other gorey stuff which would cause hurt to the families who lost relatives in the incident. There's a whole load of reasons. Some could be as is common for reporters, to get in the way of the clear up procedure.
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Do they have any proof ???.... Or they have licence of killing All the people who have been into madrassah or any other religious activites .... On the same day peace agreement was goping to be signed they martyred 80 innocent PAKISTANI ppl ... well they don't know abt this madrassah before they going to sign an agreement with tribals ( sorry terrorist ) ... u should have to face the truth n truth is that this bombarment was done by Americans
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^^ Is the only proof you have this was done by Americans, the word of a couple of locals who probably didnt see the incident but relied on what they heard?