PAKISTAN: Golden Pipeline Dream

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PAKISTAN: Golden Pipeline Dream

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*Originally posted by zaavia: *
Sorry to burst your bubble, bdsurti, even if the pipelines pass through Pakistani waters, Pakistan will get the royalty for that... :)

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zaavia Ji

I do not have a bubble which can be burst.

An example of Innocent passage is a Pakistani Ship or Pipe Line Passing from Pakistan to Sri Lanka or Bangladesh or Burma or Malaysia or points further East.

As long as the passage is beyond India's Territorial limits the Pakistani Ship or Pipe Line have a right of Innocent Passage without Let or Hindrance. No dues or royalty is payable for this Innocent Passage.

Pakistan would dearly love to have the Iran-India Pipe Line go via Pakistani Land or Pakistani Territorial Shallow Waters. However the Indian Government is having none of it and will use a deep sea pipe line.

In addition there is the Oman-India proposed Deep Sea Pipe Line which passes 300 Nautical Miles south of Karachi.

Most probably all our discussions are moot as the Iranian government has Ordered the building of up to 16 LNG Carriers and about half of them will be use to supply Natural Gas from Iran in the form of LNG to India.

In this respect please note that the Iranians have found that it is cheaper to supply Natural Gas in the form of LNG to India as compared to supplying Natural Gas via a Pipe Line through Pakistan Land or possibly a Sea Pipe Line - shallow or deep.

Have a nice day

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Re: PAKISTAN: Golden Pipeline Dream

SORRY - DOUBLE POST

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Doesn’t mention about GasPipeline we are discussing here :nahnah:

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Yes, they are :hehe:

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Prime Minister Jamali will visit Turkmenistan later this month to sign a deal to start work on a long-delayed natural gas pipeline project. :slight_smile:

PAKISTAN

***Pakistan, Turkmenistan to sign gas Trans-Afghan pipeline agreement this month ***

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) _ Pakistani Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali will visit Turkmenistan later this month to sign a deal to start work on a long-delayed natural gas pipeline project, an official said Monday.

**“Pakistan has accepted an invitation for a meeting to be held on Dec. 27 to sign a framework agreement,” ** Foreign Ministry spokesman Aziz Ahmad Khan told a news briefing. The signing date had been widely expected, but Khan’s comments mark the first official confirmation of the deal.

The US$3.2-billion natural gas pipeline, known as the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, would be one of the first big investment projects in Afghanistan in decades, and would create 12,000 jobs there.

**The pipeline would start in Turkmenistan, a former Soviet republic, cross Afghanistan and continue into Pakistan. Originally launched in 1997, the project was abandoned after the United States fired cruise missiles into Afghanistan in 1998 in pursuit of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida network. **

Once completed, Pakistan would get more than US$300 million in transit fees annually and gain access to the gas.

The Asian Development Bank is carrying out a study for the 1,460-kilometer (910-mile) pipeline, which would tap into natural gas wells at Turkmenistan’s huge Dauletabad-Donmez field, which holds over 2.83 trillion cubic meters (100 trillion cubic feet) in gas reserves.

Khan said Pakistan also has pledged full cooperation for a second gas pipeline project that would carry oil from fields in Iran, through Pakistan, to India. Long-standing enmity between Pakistan and India make completing such a deal extremely complicated.

“We are very much in favor of this pipeline. The pipeline is important for the economy of the three countries involved,” Khan said.

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Ok, please explain to me how to provide security to the “Trans Afghanistan Pipeline”…

http://www.solcomhouse.com/pipeline.htm

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Ohioguy, don’t we have American troops on ground? :wink:

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So long as the pipeline is only in Kabul!

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
So long as the pipeline is only in Kabul!
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What about Kandahar, Jalalabad?

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Way too many ak47's in those places! Just think what one RPG would do to a pipeline!

Not many depressed lonely drunks like Alaska, but one good wedding reception and the coast of Spain would look neat and clean in comparison!

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Way too many ak47's in those places! Just think what one RPG would do to a pipeline!
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B-52 will do the job. :)

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If ya look at the pictures on the site I posted, the hole created was from one deer rifle. Any pipeline going across Afghanistan would look like a porcupine, with a little drizzle of oil coming out the end. How people think a pipeline is viable is beyonded me. I guess you could hire every warlord to guard sections, but you could have all the predator drones in the world monitoring the thing, and somebody could still take a pot shot at it. Completely impossible til peace really breaks out.

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that is why undersea lines are a better mode. It;s a pipe dream more than a pipeline.

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the undersea thing would be great for Afghanistan, if they only had a sea available.....

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OG: How much oil does Afghanistan consumes? It; sis not about Afghanistan yaar. Th epipeline is for Oil to flow from the gulf to India and CHina, countries that will be the biggest consumers of this oil. Afghan, Pak are little beans in the big enchilada.

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Afghan, Pak are little beans in the big enchilada.
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........and you need us there. Don't you? :)

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
If ya look at the pictures on the site I posted, the hole created was from one deer rifle. Any pipeline going across Afghanistan would look like a porcupine, with a little drizzle of oil coming out the end. How people think a pipeline is viable is beyonded me. I guess you could hire every warlord to guard sections, but you could have all the predator drones in the world monitoring the thing, and somebody could still take a pot shot at it. Completely impossible til peace really breaks out.
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Ohioguy, that's the problem of Afghanistan, not Pakistan or Turkmenistan. All thesse pipelines framework have been signed in order to stable and re-build Afghanistan. Recently, Central Asia Nations and Pakistan have signed an agreement, not to interfare in Afghanistan's matter as Afghan troops around upto 70,000 troops will be active next Summer.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

........and you need us there. Don't you? :)
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not really, considering all the alternatives but you happen to be there and we don't mind you so terribly!
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if that sounds like affecting a superior tone,,,,

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you asked for it!

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
OG: How much oil does Afghanistan consumes? It; sis not about Afghanistan yaar. Th epipeline is for Oil to flow from the gulf to India and CHina, countries that will be the biggest consumers of this oil. Afghan, Pak are little beans in the big enchilada.
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Chaltahai Ji

The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Pipe Line is for Natural Gas to be Exported by Turkmenistan, it has a proven Natural Gas Reserves of over 100 Trillion Cubic feet, to all parts of the world as Natural Gas to Pakistan and/or India and then it would be Liquefied at Gwadar Port and Exported to all parts of the World as LNG on board LNG Carriers.

Afghanistan stands to gain upto One Billion US Dollars per year if the Pipe line is constructed. To earn this Money it has to do Didly Squat.

Afganistan in addition to the Transit Fees will be paid to provide Security to the Pipe Line and also for the Maintainance of the Pipe Line.

So it is a Sin-Win Situation for Afghanistan.

Pakistan will also benefit similarly

Have a nice day

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *

not really, considering all the alternatives but you happen to be there and we don't mind you so terribly!
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Oh really? How so? Tell me? If you prefer under sea pipeline, you gotta ask Pakistan to permit those pipelines from Arabaian Sea.

Fact is India is pushing herself away from Pakistan. Maybe scare to have word with.