Pakistan gets four F-16

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Re: Pakistan gets four F-16

The problem here is,if Pakistan goes for upgradation of F-16,it is not going to srve any purpose.Upgrading any old model(like F-16),is not a good idea.Moreover F-16 has a better compeititor,SUKHOI ,that's more manoeuvrable but belonging to F-16 era.Pakistan should go for now in use' rather thanstill in use'.

But agan it is doubtful that the U.S will intened to deliver it to Pakistan citing regional arms race.

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Pakistan has singed a deal with China for 35-40 FC-20 advance version of J-10. cost about 45 million dollars each..
The reason why PAF is so "obsessed" with F-16 is because its cheap and the technology is very up to date.. specially when these F-16 block 15 will be upgraded "MLU" they will be brought up to USAF F-16 block 52 standard... Turkey and Pakistan will upgrade them starting from 2009..
PAF will also receive 18-36 Block 52+ advance version of block 52.. and plus they come with a better armament package like one of the most advance AMRAM Aim-120 C5 and GPS guided kits JDAMs for gravity bombs which turns them into pin point accurate..

What makes you say that? because they have successfully revers engineered Mig-21 -> J-7 and even Su-27-> J-11, indigenous J-10 and now working on 5th generation stealth fighters with Russia or you are just showing your indianess??

What kind of logic is that??
KSA bought 72 EF-2000 for 45 billion dollars and do you think with Mr-10% around and drowning economy we can afford 70+ million dollars aircraft?

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Re: Pakistan gets four F-16

US releases $ 116m to finance F-16 upgrades

WASHINGTON: The United States has released $116 million to finance mid-life upgrades for Pakistan’s existing fleet of F-16 fighter planes. The US administration released the amount after the completion of necessary process for shifting funds from foreign military financing, already allocated for the anti-terrorism South Asian ally. US officials, commenting on the proposed re-allocation of funds last month, said jets upgrades would help enhance Pakistan’s counter-terrorism capability. app

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Good news, but still why the obsession with F16s?! I just don’t get it. Invest in newer technology with the Chinese/French. Oh well…

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Dude read post number #22.. their is a good reason to be obsessed with them..

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What makes you say that? because they have successfully revers engineered Mig-21 -> J-7 and even Su-27-> J-11, indigenous J-10 and now working on 5th generation stealth fighters with Russia or you are just showing your indianess??

Dude,the chinese made planes have never been put to test in a real combat situation anywhere in the world,barring vietnam.Wherea F-16 or Sukhoi's have been used in war situations.

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I had my doughs but now you just proved what an idiot you are!

71 war?? mig-19-> F-6! by far one of the most lethal fighter in the subcontinent and even shoot down much more superior IAF mig-21s!
Neither Su-30 MKI, or Mirage-2000 have got into any battles so that does not mean they are not tested and they suck ohh in fact none of Su-30 series that China and IAF operate have seen any combat...

Stay at Home Wives/Mothers and Spending Money
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Boy,Go to school , learn history and come back!!!This is not a place for your nonsense talks.

Foget your F-6 gibberish talks.You even do not know what's MIG-21 to talk abt here.

Mig 21 loss was two to J-6 Four in 1971 war. J-6 was just a Mig-19 Chinese variant.You learn that first.

Mirage 2000 have been used in Youglosovia,Kargil war and now in Afghanistan.Get facts right.
SU-30 was introduced only in 1996 and too early to put to a comabt situation but SU-27 planes have been used..One example is Ethopia -Eritrian war of 1999......

Besides, Russia the then U.S.S.R had used Sukhois in Afghanistan.

Do men feel threatened if their wives make more?
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well... i dont have to remind myself that i am talking to an idiot.. product of Bharatrakshak delusional fanboy...
read my post #26... since you are an idiot i will explain you again.. J-6 is a reversed engineered Mig-19 and F-6 under PAF designation.. 2-3 F-6 squdarons were modified for aim-9 heat seekers integration by PAF during 71 war. F-6 literally slaughtered IAF Su-7s with 8-0 kill ratio! and 1-1 ratio aganist superior mig-21!
later in that decade PAF held friendly exercise with USAF** "Shahbaz 78"**..

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F-6 and Mirage-III came out with 2-3 ration 3 in USAF favor!
The camp was a roaring success. I do not have the official result but if I recall the final kill ratio was roughly **2:1 **in favour of the F-15s. In all their other engagements against the likes of Saab Drakens, F-4s, Mirages, Lightnings and F-104s flown by European pilots in Continental Europe, the Wing had apparently enjoyed as high as 20:1 kill ratio in their favour. Our pilots’ aggressive manoeuvring and tactical skills came as a surprise to them. We too were impressed by the awesome flying performance of the F-15s, its unmatched (at that time) AI radar performance and the thorough professionalism and sportsmanship of the USAF pilots.

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Then in AFgan war... PAF had 10-0 kill ratio vs Soviet and Afgan air force which apparently flew Sukhoi and migs..
Idiotian, Mirage-2000 in French service has only conducted air to ground missions and all what IAF did was lock on PAF F-16 during kargil war... IAF had BVR missile advantage while PAF lacked BVR missile and it wast not a milestone achievement by IAF.. Idiotian... Su-27 is a combat proven platform... MKI and MKK-3 are not but that does not mean they are no good...
Do you know how much physiological fear J-10 has had on Taiwan and Japs even on americans??? though technologically it still lacks in some aspects but Chinese have surly technically filled a lot of gap...
PAF FC-20 is very diffrent from chinese J-10... in fact its a new version with DSI intake, TVC engine, AESA radar, and european avionics and radar...
China is also working on 5th generation stealth programes... including fighters and bombers....
enough of your typical china bashing... they are far ahead of you guys despite direct EU and Isreali assistant for india... LCA Dhruv and Arjunk all product of European experiments and Indian DRDO tags...

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well... i dont have to remind myself that i am talking to an idiot.. product of Bharatrakshak delusional fanboy...
read my post #26... since you are an idiot i will explain you again.. J-6 is a reversed engineered Mig-19 and F-6 under PAF designation.. 2-3 F-6 squdarons were modified for aim-9 heat seekers integration by PAF during 71 war. F-6 literally slaughtered IAF Su-7s with 8-0 kill ratio! and 1-1 ratio aganist superior mig-21!
later in that decade PAF held friendly exercise with USAF** "Shahbaz 78"**..

one clearly shows you need to go to school my boy.This is not the place to prove how best nonsense you are .

Nonsense,J-6 could claim just two Mig-21 planes in the war and look at your previous idiotic post!!!

Su-7 ,during 1971 war had taken part actively.India lost just 14 in the whole war and forget your worthless post.

Moron ,your comments about Mirage 2000 shows how ignorant you are .Seeing the reply from you,one can estimate that you are simply trying to be ostentatious rather than trying to provide with some sensible replies.Indian Mirages took part in Kargil and not a single plane was lost and had inflicted havey casuality on you side,you babe.

The state-of-the-art Mirage-2000s were used for electronic warfare, reconnaissance and ground attack. This fighter delivers its weapons with pinpoint accuracy. In addition to carrying free-fall bombs, it also fires the laser-guided bomb with deadly effects. In fact, it was this weapon that caused considerable devastation to your terrorist bunkers on the ridges at Tiger Hill and Muntho Dhalo. In the Mirage attack on Muntho Dhalo, terrorists suffered 180 casualties.

For your Your J-10 hallucination,read on............

Direct aircraft to aircraft comparisons, based on public information about the J-10, don't really favor the Chinese aircraft either. None of the likely radars (Chinese Type 1471 / KLJ-1 most likely) have anything like the range, tracking ability, or modes of the later APG-68 versions used by the USAF. They also lack a datalink, putting them at a huge disadvantage against F-16s in BVR. In a dogfight, the Block 50/52 F-16 has better thrust to weight ratio but higher wing loading. That's almost a moot point anyway, given the superiority of AIM-9X and JHMCS over the Chinese HMS with Chinese early-model

And now you are blabbeing that J-10 would scare off U.S?

Boy go to school.If you are here to disturb other's time,think twice before posting.I neither have any time or propensity to reply to your worthless posts and ur statements like PAF had 10-0 kill against Soviet/Afghan air forces.

Chap read on what defence experts say........

(Richard Bitzinger, a senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.

Bitzinger, an Asian defense expert, says the J-10 probably has some radar-reduction materials or coatings on its skin that make it tough to "see" on enemy radar.

Still, analysts say the J-10 is no match for top U.S. fighters like the Boeing-Lockheed F-22 Raptor. Lockheed is also making a plane called the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that many analysts say will beat anything in the sky for years to come.

"Everyone is treating the J-10 like some kind of surprise and major ratcheting-up of Chinese military prowess. But basically, it's a glorified, advanced F-16," Bitzinger said. "It's an improvement over what the Chinese Air Force currently flies, something roughly comparable to what many other Asian air forces fly. But it's hardly state of the art.")

You got what you wanted now?

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Idiotian i dont have to remind my self i am talking to a trash talker baharatchaka fanboy... its very normal for delusional kids embarrassing themself and coming back for some more..
despite this topic being on F-16s some how you brought up that Chinese technology is junk??
well F-6 proved its worth in 71 war when it slaughtered Su-7s 8-0 ratio and mig-21 1-1... it also begged couple of hunters...

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Moron ,your comments about Mirage 2000 shows how ignorant you are .Seeing the reply from you,one can estimate that you are simply trying to be ostentatious rather than trying to provide with some sensible replies.Indian Mirages took part in Kargil and not a single plane was lost and had inflicted havey casuality on you side,you babe.

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thick head listen to what i said!!!! listen carefully!!! so far Mirage-2000 has only seen air-2-ground action and stop enjoying inhaling your own fart because certinaly you are pulling jack shi^t from some bharatchaka kunjar enterianer.. your post creditability is like a whore saying she is a virgin..lol... Mirage were only effective when pakistan army were cut off due to political reasion and due to lack of surface to air missiles RBS-70 bofers "laser guided" sam would have been very effective aganist close air support....
Indeed Mirage-2000 is a very great platform even PAF negotiated with french in 1990s and Mr-10% blew away the deal...

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Direct aircraft to aircraft comparisons, based on public information about the J-10, don't really favor the Chinese aircraft either. None of the likely radars (Chinese Type 1471 / KLJ-1 most likely) have anything like the range, tracking ability, or modes of the later APG-68 versions used by the USAF. They also lack a datalink, putting them at a huge disadvantage against F-16s in BVR. In a dogfight, the Block 50/52 F-16 has better thrust to weight ratio but higher wing loading. That's almost a moot point anyway, given the superiority of AIM-9X and JHMCS over the Chinese HMS with Chinese early-model

And now you are blabbeing that J-10 would scare off U.S?
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well as i said .... keep enjoying inhaling your fart.. you can have mine too... the configuration of current J-10 should not be seen as the end sate of J-10s capabilities... China is currently working on upgrading its J-10 fleet as well as coming up with new version of J-10...

JDW

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Will feature- Passive PAR, TVC, Strengthened Airframe, Russian help. The J-10 was originally designed to use the Zhemchug, a mechanically scanned slotted array by Phazotron, but some critical components were made impossible to copy.

The other Bureau, Tikhomirov, recently resumed a working relationship with the PLAAF, after having submitted an early prototype of their Pero in the late 90s but with no followup by the Chinese. They are now submitting a derivative of the Pero (is this the Panda?). The Pero was originally designed for use on the Su-30KN.

Recall the recent large order for engines in late 2005. Most observers assumed it was for more of the AL-31FN, but this is not so. It was for a new engine, the AL-31FN-M1. The M1 features an enlarged fan with inlet diameter of 924 mm instead of 902 mm, which improved thrust from 122.6kN to 132.4 kN. Also features a swivel nozzle developed by Salyut in conjunction with Zavod imeni Klimova. Similar to the KliVT used on the RD-33OVT of the Mig-29OVT- it's improved over the IAF's Su-30MKI in that it deflects in BOTH pitch and yaw, rather than pitch only.
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PAF is not interested in current J-10s operated by china becuase it does not meet 4.5 generation requirement.. FC-20 under PAF designation will feature european avionics and possibly radar..

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If you have some serious topic to discuss,let's discuss otherwise you silly boy you go and study your shool lessons before your teacher spanks you......

Your absured statements and my replies are given below:-

You said......
(F-6 proved its worth in 71 war when it slaughtered Su-7s 8-0 ratio and mig-21 1-1... it also begged couple of hunters).............

My reply.............

Kid go and hear more fables from your elders.You are not matured enough to talk about war and warfare.You do not even know the war statistics of 1971 but just going on speaking some nonsense crap.

You said............

(so far Mirage-2000 has only seen air-2-ground action and stop enjoying inhaling your own fart because certinaly you are pulling jack shi^t from some bharatchaka kunjar enterianer.. your post creditability is like a whore saying she is not a virgin..lol... Mirage were only effective when pakistan army were cut off due to political reasion and due to lack of surface to air missiles RBS-70 bofers "laser guided" sam would have been very effective aganist close air support.)...

My reply

You do not know what is Mirage 2000 even.Go and read read about it first and then vomit your nonsense.........You have said some nonsense and on top of it you are laughing!!!Check again what you have typed ,or check with ur elders and come back.

You said

(the configuration of current J-10 should not be seen as the end sate of J-10s capabilities... China is currently working on upgrading its J-10 fleet as well as coming up with new version of J-10.)..

My reply. Silly kid........... It would take years for china to `duplicate' any plane that would stand out against F-22

I have lost interest in talking to you because first of all you speak nonsense and above all to evade your ignorance,you rely on filthy language.Typical for a dumb like you.

That's all .I do not have time to educate you on modern fighter planes.You do that yourself,if you can .Till that time I believe your senseless posts are unworthy for replying.

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its very normal for indian being delusional... its just how they are brought up in their society with fake claims to satisfy their ego..
i am not so sure about other gup shup forums but i can certinaly asure you that one day when you step up to military discussion forums like Pakdef, Defencetalk, defence.pk or WAFF (if so then i would like to know your ID), i swear to god i will ***** slap your face so hard that you will not return back to reply me again... i am sure rest of the members will agree with me as they always do and probably take you as a fanboy kid on the block and banish you from their sight!... at the moment you are being pain in the back..

As i said again! This topic is on 4 F-16 news delivered to PAF, but some how you turn around this topic into your own little flame war and again if this was happing in military forum you would have been warned and warned again of waisting too much of their band with!

your original post

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Chinese technology is not reliable.
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my answer... Chinese technology has already proved its worth in PAF service during 71 war as a front line fighter, F-6 has also challenged USAF F-15 and came out as victorious in couple of occasions.... then chinese modified RE mig-21** F-7P** and F-7PG (new chinese variant of mig-21)... its still loved by the PAF as a cheap alternative for interceptor role..
PAK China co production of Jf-17 light weight fighter... great platform for replacing 3d generation fighters.. Pakistan and Azerbaijan have already placed orders and its most likely Iran Egypt and sudan will place an order as they have shown great interust...
**K-8 **Chinese advance jet tranier.. currently in service with 10 air forces and Venezuela and Indonesia have also placed their orders..

modified Chinese Type-90 II Al-khalid MBT in pakistan army has proved that its one of the best tank in sub-continent due to harsh condition in boiling hot desert of rajistan!! where as Arjunk has faild summer trails and rejected by the Indian army Al-khaild in short period of time from production line to service has already surpassed arjunk in every field!

So far no complain has been reported by any customers.. so how is Chinese tech unreliable?

exactly how old are you?? if you have any dough then point it out then acting like a internet soldier... do i have to remind you that you are a fanboy internet junki fanboy?

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You do not know what is Mirage 2000 even.Go and read read about it first and then vomit your nonsense.........You have said some nonsense and on top of it you are laughing!!!Check again what you have typed ,or check with ur elders and come back.

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hahaha... lol... you are the laughing stock of this forum... your only two source.. Wakopedia and Bahratchakaz.. lol... keep it up.. but dont try to be over smart @ss front of me... when i disable wakopedia and bharatraksak plug from your @ss you will be nothing but a douchebag fanboy..

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My reply. Silly kid........... It would take years for china to `duplicate' any plane that would stand out against F-22
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haahhh??? i am under impression that some one or some thing has hacked your brain and urgently need a medical check up...
you need a reality check buddy..

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---------------cvabn--------------
Good questions teggy.
You must google your thoughts on this and you will be amazed with the results. Anyhow SO MUCH has been said about this question on GS, I'm sure you can pull quite a few threads from archives. F16's are neither 2nd generation nor 1st they are simply the right 'fit' for PAF (ofcourse no match to IAF)
JF's are built on F16 capabilities under Pak-china joint venture with export (money earning) capabilities etc etc,,, I'm sure it not lost on you guys ?

i think of you
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--------------cvabn----------------

Quite Right !
I always believed and witnessed Bharati Propaganda mechanics much stronger than Pakistan's. They use such amazing 'mass brainwash' tactics that one is left with none in the end as seen here.

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**Another Batch of Four F-16s joins PAF
**June 28, 2008

ISLAMABAD: A simple but impressive ceremony for handing over of four, F-16 aircraft to Pakistan Air Force was held at PAF Base Mushaf (Sargodha). Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operations), Pakistan Air Force received the Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L.North, Commander 9th Air Force and USAF Central Command.

Four aircraft have already arrived in Pakistan. The batch of aircraft which arrived have the same operational capability as of the already possessed F-16 aircraft by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan.

The last batch of remaining four F-16 aircraft would be handed over to PAF on July 28, 2008. A contingent of high ranking officials from Air Forces of Pakistan and United States were also present on the occasion.

  • Associated Press of Pakistan
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Four more F-16s to Join PAF Soon
July 17, 2008

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Four more F-16 fighter aircraft will join the Pakistan Air Force on July 28, 2008. For this purpose, a ceremony for handing over of the planes to the Pakistan Air Force will be held at the PAF Base Mushaf.

The four F-16 planes, which are going to be handed over to Pakistan in the last week of the current month, have been upgraded and modified to the extent that they will perform just like new F-16s.

Last month, the Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, had received four Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L North, Commander 9th Air Force, and the USAF Central Command while four were received last year. These refurbished F-16s have the same operational capability as of those already possessed by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability.

Meanwhile, state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft will be inducted as regular squadron of the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the current year. The small batch production of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role aircraft is in progress both in China and the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan Air Force is in the process of completing the testing and evaluation of aircraft jointly produced by Pakistan and China. After completion of the evaluation, the new aircraft will be certified by international monitors to become operational in the air forces of the world.

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

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More F-16's to join Pakistan Air Force soon
July 18, 2008

Four more F-16 fighter aircraft will join the Pakistan Air Force on July 28, 2008. For this purpose, a ceremony for handing over of the planes to the Pakistan Air Force will be held at the PAF Base Mushaf.

The four F-16 planes, which are going to be handed over to Pakistan in the last week of the current month, have been upgraded and modified to the extent that they will perform just like new F-16s.

Last month, the Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, had received four Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L North, Commander 9th Air Force, and the USAF Central Command while four were received last year. These refurbished F-16s have the same operational capability as of those already possessed by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability.

Meanwhile, state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft will be inducted as regular squadron of the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the current year. The small batch production of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role aircraft is in progress both in China and the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan Air Force is in the process of completing the testing and evaluation of aircraft jointly produced by Pakistan and China. After completion of the evaluation, the new aircraft will be certified by international monitors to become operational in the air forces of the world.

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

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Pakistan receives Four more F-16 Fighter Jets
July 28, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan received another batch of four F-16 fighter jets from the United States, marking the completion of a package of U.S. delivery since 2005.

Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey, acting commander of the U.S. Central Command, handed over the four F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed at Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Base Mushaf.
Tanvir said that the batch of aircraft will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan.

The air chief said the Pakistan Air Force would remain vigilant for the defence of the nation by ensuring the highest level of combat readiness. The newly delivered aircraft would significantly augment its operational and combat capabilities.

The US embassy said in a statement that the US government provided the aircraft to Pakistan at no cost except for transportation expenses.

With the handing over of the four jets, the delivery of 14 upgraded F-16 aircraft has been completed. Earlier the US had agreed to give Pakistan these aircrafts under the Foreign Military Sales Programme, which was singed in 2005.

The first two F-16s were delivered in December 2005, two more in July 2007, two in February 2008 and four in June 2008.

Pakistan received the fighter jets just days after the U.S. government proposed shifting 230 million U.S. dollars from its counter-terrorism aid package to Pakistan to help the country upgrade its aging F-16 fighter jets.
The US embassy said in a statement that the US government provided the aircraft to Pakistan at no cost except for transportation expenses. "The four aircraft presented are valued at approximately $6.4 million each," it said.

What is ur worst Indian movie...??
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---------------cvabn---------------------

How many sorties did Hindian IAF flew over KARGIL WAR ,,, You made it sound like a full scale war (so be it )

If your statements is true than its more of a reason for every Hindian to FEAR Pakistan's capabilities to strike at will, and Power to make Hindian Hair stand in its roots. FEAR PAKISTAN !!!

specially under the cirmustances of your "dud neuclear claims"

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