Pakistan Drama - Is Musharraf-Bhutto conflict all it seems? - BBC

All a well-staged drama, and more to follow in coming days. PPP die-hards will be fooled, but not others. :slight_smile:

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Is Musharraf-Bhutto conflict all it seems?

Is Musharraf-Bhutto conflict all it seems?

The detention order has since been lifted and the country’s military ruler, Gen Pervez Musharraf, is clearly himself under tremendous international pressure to complete the transition to democracy. So what is happening in Pakistan? Ms Bhutto and Gen Musharraf have been locked in talks for several months on how to get to what Gen Musharraf has described as “full democracy”. But his move to impose emergency rule on 3 November has caused an ostensible falling-out between the two leaders, both considered crucial by the West to Pakistan’s fight against Islamist extremism.

‘Mock conflict’

**But is the falling-out quite what it seems? More cynical observers think Friday’s dramas in Islamabad and elsewhere are an exercise in mutual face-saving, a clandestine understanding that is meant to benefit both. According to these observers, the masses in Pakistan are not yet ready to come out in full support of political leaders against a government bent on preventing street protests. This, they say, was known to Ms Bhutto when she called Friday’s public meeting in Rawalpindi, near Islamabad. Her subsequent detention has helped preserve the “mythical name” of the Bhuttos in Pakistan. ****And, the cynics say, has also negated the impression that she, a self-declared champion of democracy, is in cahoots with Gen Musharraf, a military dictator who came to power by deposing an elected government. **

As for Gen Musharraf, a mock conflict with Ms Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) affords him time to get the revamped Supreme Court to endorse the legality of his re-election as president. Nine judges were sacked and replaced after they refused to endorse Gen Musharraf’s declaration of a state of emergency, declaring it unconstitutional. Without imposing emergency rule, the general appeared to have no way of getting rid of an increasingly independent court that was hearing, and possibly planning to overturn, the legality of his new term as president. Observers say Gen Musharraf will not prolong the emergency rule because of pressure he is under from Western powers that want him to quit the army and hold early parliamentary elections.

‘Measured confrontation’

But another set of observers believe the conflict is genuine, and arises out of Gen Musharraf’s tactics - the imposition of emergency rule and a media blackout - which Ms Bhutto considers detrimental to her interests. These observers point out that in the past Ms Bhutto has managed to hold larger public gatherings under more oppressive regimes, and can still do that. But her plan this time appears to be one of “measured confrontation”. According to these observers, while another opposition leader, Nawaz Sharif, set himself on a collision course with the Musharraf regime and was exiled for a second time, Ms Bhutto adopted the course of dialogue. This paved the way for her trouble-free return to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile.

Now that she is secure in her base, she can step up pressure on the regime to make further concessions to her party, they argue. Alternatively, she can use the threat of public demonstrations as an instrument that could upset the applecart for the regime, with serious consequences for Gen Musharraf. Focused protests The number of PPP workers who attempted to converge for Friday’s public meeting was pretty insignificant, but the hide-and-seek in the streets of Rawalpindi between supporters and the police continued for longer than expected. Until recently lawyers led anti-emergency rule protests in Islamabad Protests by PPP workers have also erupted across Ms Bhutto’s native Sindh province which, although small scale, have been persistent and widespread. These seem significant as they are the first by an authentic political party in recent days. The other protests have come from lawyers and civil rights groups. The PPP protests may continue over the coming days, given that Ms Bhutto’s deadline to Gen Musharraf to call off emergency rule and restore the constitution expires late on Friday. Ms Bhutto has already called for the people to rise if she is arrested. She also called for a “long march” starting on 13 November, from Lahore to Islamabad, if her key demands were not met. Although Friday’s protests appeared to be spontaneous and largely directionless, observers feel that if they are prolonged, they will become more focused. **However, Ms Bhutto may be wary of allowing these protests to turn into a wider movement, drawing in lawyers, the rights groups and other opposition parties. This, they say, would divert attention from the threat of militancy and regional stability - something Ms Bhutto will have to contend with if she becomes prime minister, and for which she will need Gen Musharraf and a willing army. **

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A replay of ’92 drama By Zaffar Abbas - The Dawn

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/10/top13.htm

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It will be proved then whe she will lead long march from Lahore to Islamabad very soon. I hope that Musharraf will not use his so called "Iron Hand" in curbing this procession.

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^ I hope millions of people turn up.

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:hehe: of course they will. Everyone loves a drama.

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Musharraf-Bhutto conflict: real or artificial?

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=183811&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23

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It is a good thread.

However a drama may need a bit more of brain power than what BB has. I fear that due her very limited intellect, she is doing more harm (as usual) to the country than good.

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Let's pray that she is not bad as her father Zulfiqar Ali Bhtto, who gave away half of Pakistan. Let's hope she does not follow his steps with his 'Udhar tum Idhar Hum' speeches after the Free and Fair elections next year.

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BB is on the top of Imran Khan's collaborator/traitor list, because he dosen't like her drama's very much. :)

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He has never forgiven her for the statement she made in 2002, when she said to him that Politics is not easy as taking wickets by scratching the cricket ball. :hehe:

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I have been saying this for weeks. Its all part of deal. Its topi drama and nothing else.

NORA KUSHTI!!!!!!!!!!

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Aalsi,

You guys never stop your misinformation campaign. I am a very new person here and have seen you and few like minded around continue to misinform. If you were not born before 1971, then read the history of creation of Bengladesh, before commenting something like that.:mad:

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Aap ye kia kehay rahay hain. Ye kabhi nahi hosakta, nahi hosakta, nahi hosakta. :mad:

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Yes Pride you are right no Pak studies school book would tell you that but bhutto did say that uddhar tum idhar hum. Whether that did Pakistan good or not, that’s a different topic.

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Can't disgree but Bhutto could not have done that without the blessings of the military. Gen. 'Tun' Yahya was an equal accomplice I believe.

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I am not arguing with that, he might have said it just to gain sympathy of his voters. Bengledesh did not create on the basis of what he was saying. When dictator of the time did not hand over power to the winners of the 1970's elections, became a reason for Bengalis to separate.

This is off topic. If you want to open a new thread, I will happy to contribute with proof that bhutto was not responsible for creation of Bengladesh.

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i just hope their are no suicide bombings when she leads the procession from Lahore to Pindi. No more shedding of innocent blood. If more innocent blood is shed, i want to see her hanged just like daddy.

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But I don't get it. They stopped her from holding a procession in Pindi citing increased risk of suicide-bombing but they are seemingly happy with her leading a procession from Pindi to Lahore. These bombers I am sure also know how to drive cars...

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yeah they know how to drive and possibly know about roadside boms and IEDs :hmmm:

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oh Asif paaji, I have seen your other thread about Pak Army in which you lash they are bunch of incompetents but believe me if you have got something called Pakistan today then its only because of Army. It's true that we weren't as successful as many people would like us to be but you need to study facts. India inherited 98% of Army machinery from Britain and there wasn't a single arms production facility in Pakistan at that time. India was generously supported by once superpower Russia while our's was always viewed with contempt by both US and USSR. Indians spend three times more than Pakistani army and their army's only job is to look after their borders not the political corridors.
In Pakistan, Army was dragged into politics by incompetent politicans. You tell me single takeover that happened in the absence of incompetency of politicans. Be it's Iskander Mirza, Bhutto, NS they all made army to take over and army would continue to do so because it is an only organized institution in Pakistan. If you want to stop that then make non army institutions stronger and don't expect General Musharraf to do that or any power hungry politicans to do that because that would be their demise. Unless Pakistani people get "awam ka leader" not feudal lord or industralist that would continue continue to happen and yes ofcourse I don't like "tun basha" that much