Pakistan captaincy

despite seeing almost non-stop turmoil due to the Pak captaincy in the past two decades, I’d never thought critically about why the Pak captaincy is such a bone of contention. just accepted it as a matter of fact and one thing more that we had to navigate around. but now I’m trying to understand why it is so highly sought after.

you don’t see this single-minded obsession with becoming the captain in other countries. for example, in South Africa, no one tried to lead a mutiny against Smith. Klusener didn’t buy into the new era and was promptly shown the door. in Australia, after Waugh, there were three contenders - Gilchrist, Warne and Ponting. and Ponting became captain despite being the least likely out of the three. but that never came in the way of the Aussie team. both Warne and Gilchrist continued to win matches for australia and Ponting. when Fleming was in charge of the Kiwis, he was the undisputed leader. and Vettori was waiting in the wings and when he took over, again there was not even a slight murmur against him.

now, ppl often say that its just the culture in those countries. theyre more professional, etc. well even in the subcontinent, Pakistan is the only team that has these problems. look at India. apart from Ganguly where things turned ugly for a while, the captaincy has generally been handed over in a smooth manner and without bitterness. the new captain seems to enjoy decent support. Tendulkar, Dravid are playing under Dhoni. can you imagine Inzi playing under Younis? same goes for Sri Lanka. Jayawardene voluntarily (imagine that) gave up the captaincy in favor of Sangakara. again it was a smooth transition with no challengers. heck even Bangladesh seems better placed than us in terms of captaincy.

I won’t even ***** about the quality of players in the Pak team now and how they should concentrate on their individual game before trying to sabotage the team for a shot at the captaincy. but even in the 90s, there should have only been one captain. Wasim, whether he was the captain or not, was THE leader of the team. when he became mature enough, he should have been captain right till he retired.

so, why is there so much dysfunction when it comes to the Pak captaincy? does the captain make way more money? I’m sure Akhtar made more money than many of his captains due to commercials, endorsements, etc. so, can’t be that. does the captain get perks? like he gets a single room on tours and the rest have to share? more room service? honestly? is it the protocol? like he gets the front seat on the bus to the stadium? or he gets the aisle/window seat in the plane? seriously, what is the reason for so much fighting?

not everyone is/has to be good at everything. McGrath, Klusener, Donald, Boucher, etc are/were all amazing players, yet we never heard about their captaincy ambitions or tantrums. they just kept winning matches for their team and captain whoever that might be at the time. so, why does every Pakistani player think of himself as a captaincy candidate regardless of his individual performance/leadership abilities?

I mean if you had told me 5 years ago that Afridi would be a serious candidate for the Pak captaincy, I would have told you that when he becomes captain, Shehnaz Sheikh and I will be married and living a life full of wedded bliss. simply unbelievable (the former, not the latter). so, please shine some light on this issue for the sake of my mental health which is pretty shaky as it is.

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Its in blood ... not in just cricket in every walk of life.

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this is Pakistan bro...even if they have to kill any1 to get the captaincy they will go ahead

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I agree with what you say but from where did Shanaz Sheikh come into it. :D

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I really believe it is weak and sometimes comical management at the board level that has encouraged this behavior. Be it more perks or prestige, still if we had a clear headed, free and strong board, then any player revolt would have been quelled and a professional culture developed.
But alas, with meddling leaders in our country, the board is always a puppet show, leading to the tug and pull we see for the team captaincy.

sounds like someone had a crush on someone at one time....:D

aap ko bara dukh howa ? :)

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^ unclon kay munh mat lago...yeah unkeen guzree yaadon ka hissa heay....:)

aaab Shehnaz Shaikh ITNEEE bhee puranee nahee hai :D

I disagree. you don't see this in the army. in the army, the soldiers seem to be more loyal to their chief than the constitution or the country. similarly, our political parties might have a million problems but there is little dispute over leadership. Zardari, NS, etc, enjoy strong support from their parties. so, obviously we can show discipline when needed.

bhaijaan, I know that. I'm just trying to understand why...

yunh hee... kehnay ya sochnay mein kiya harj hay... :D

Within army there is strong 'judicial' system in place, if you don't listen to your boss you get punished. That type of loyalty is not seen in political parties as you hear horse-trading/thali-ke-baingan stories every other day. If we can enforce any accountability/justice in govt institutions then we can expect to see results but if things are run on ad-hoc basis then you will see what you are seeing now.

Keep army out of it please and tell me single institution that has "loyals"? NS, Zardari etc they are dictators and this is not how the teams run. If their works were so loyes to heads how come we have unlimited Muslim leagues (from Junajo league gave birth to NS league and that gave birth to Q league and then it gave birth to Ham-khayal league and so on). Same is the case with PP and all other parties.

Its culture and its in blood..simple is that.

Unless you make any institution PROFESSIONAL, this will remain the same. You need to have a fit in or fk out attitude (thats what army has btw)

okay, so you and Antum Alona say that discipline/punishment is the key to preventing these fights for captaincy. I understand that. but that still does not address why the Pak captaincy is so highly sought after. our board is a mess. one doesn't need to be a rocket surgeon to figure that out. and it has damaged Pak cricket by too much ad hoc management and repeatedly bowing to player power.

but the question still remains, what comes with the captaincy that makes it so tempting to Pakistani players that they're even willing to underperform to sabotage the captain at that time?

plus yeah you might see a player like Warne express his strong desire to captain his team in Australia. but then again the guy is an all-time great, was probably the best player in his team and that really says something considering how good that team was. but in Pakistan, everyone from Younis, Yousuf, Afridi, Malik, Razzaq, etc seem to think that they should be captain. and obviously some of these names are absolutely laughable in a captaincy role...

I think they underperform not because they want to be the captain but because they don't want to play under the current captain.

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[note]If you guys want to talk politics, I will move this to politics section. This is not the place for it.[/note]

wow... relax meray bhai. 90% of the posts are on topic.

a point was brought up to which I replied. and I would argue that even that was in the context of the topic. ppl say that the captaincy infighting is a reflection of our society. I've heard that argument before and I disagree. imo, two very important and dominant institutions of Pakistan - army and political parties - are pretty disciplined when it comes to supporting their leader. so, I don't buy this theory that the Pak team's infighting is a reflection of our society. my posts are connected to that idea.

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^ If you want to start a thread in poilitics about this, I'll be happy to tell you how NS, Zardari, Altaf hussain, Wali Family (and many other politicians) are no less (in fact in some cases worst ) dictators than some Army rulers.

Lets get back to cricket and I am standing by my argument that its in our society that everyone tries to be the leader...Cricket team is not alone in this regard. :)

if you need to start a thread to impart your vast political knowledge to a simpleton like me, please do so. but since I am not a talabgaar of your wisdom, o wise one, I will not be opening any such thread. aap ka shukriya...

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Lets get back to cricket and I am standing by my argument that its in our society that everyone tries to be the leader...Cricket team is not alone in this regard. :)
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so, even if the captaincy infighting is a reflection of our society (which I disagree with). then, there must be something they're hoping to get by becoming captain. what is that? can't just be the title of captain. there must be more to it. what is that additional stuff that makes them want to become captain?