Pakistan Blood debt women offered up for rape

Pakistan needs to liquidate these brutal and injust village councils.


A village council in Pakistan has decreed that five young women should be abducted, raped or killed for refusing to honour childhood “marriages”.

The women, who are cousins, were married in absentia by a mullah in their Punjabi village to illiterate sons of their family’s enemies in 1996, when they were aged from six to 13.
The marriages were part of a compensation agreement ordered by the village council and reached at gunpoint after the father of one of the girls shot dead a family rival.

The rival families have now called in their “debt”, demanding the marriages to the village men are fulfilled.

The case is becoming a cause célèbre in Pakistan, pitting tribal mores against a group of modern-minded, educated women. Amna Niazi, the eldest of the five at 22, is taking a degree in English literature, while both her sisters want to attend university.

Their fathers are supporting them and have refused to hand them over, leading to a resumption of the blood feud, with two relatives shot recently and 20 people arrested, while promises of further retribution and murder abound.

In addition to the sentence on the women, the village council has sentenced to death Jehan Khan Niazi, the father of three of the women, and the fathers of the other two for failing to honour the supposed bond with men whose identities they are not even certain of.

The women have said they will commit suicide if their fathers obey the council.

Speaking at their home in Sultanwala, a remote cotton and sugar-cane growing village, Amna said: “It is a great injustice that should be ended. Why should we pay for a crime committed by someone else? We will commit suicide if it happens. We would be treated like animals by them. Our misery would never end as this is just another way of using us as tools in the feud.” None of the women has so far been able to marry as their childhood “marriages” hang over them.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan condemned the “barbaric custom of vani”, - the tradition of handing over women to resolve disputes - and called on President Pervez Musharraf to enforce a ban.

Last year a three-year-old girl near Multan was betrothed to a 60-year-old man in a similar settlement. The case led to parliament passing a law banning vani and honour killings, but it has been widely ignored.

The case of Mukhtar Mai, a Pakistani woman whom a village council ordered to be gang-raped for an alleged offence committed by her brother, has also reached international attention.

The Daily Telegraph was granted access to the young women, despite Mr Niazi’s fear that the village will further condemn him for being “un-Islamic” by allowing his daughters to be photographed, albeit with their faces covered by veils.

Amna, who hopes to become an English lecturer, said: “We are proud of our father. Despite having little money, he has educated us and shown us that we must stand up in society and demand our rights.”

She is studying at a college affiliated to the university of Lahore, while her sister Abida, 18, is applying to study medicine, and Sajida, 15, is still at secondary school.

The other girls, Assia, 20, and Fatima, 16, are the daughters of Mr Niazi’s brothers.

“Only a few of my friends know about this,” said Abida. “But those that do support us and say we are fighting for the oppressed women of Pakistan.”

Mr Niazi, who is a government accountant, was candid about the cause of the feud. “My brother murdered one of our neighbours after being shot at. But it is complicated, they had already insulted us by making indecent remarks to our girls,” he said.

He added that his family had already paid blood-money to the aggrieved party. “I have refused to give into the council’s request as it is un-Islamic. I cannot hand over my girls like goats to marry these illiterate boys,” he said

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/22/wdebt22.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/22/ixworld.html

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I am waiting for this thread to be moved to another forum so it becomes extremely hard to find.

Two threads of interest already moved out of General to far off corners of Goop.

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:mad2: :mad3:

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sigh when will this end

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Never as long as the jahil paindoo dugga mentality stays in Pak!

On another note, you also see this type of mentality in the west of marrying off daughters etc (especially in UK and europe but even in US, one dugga locked his wife and burned her in a car bc of a dispute… :rolleyes: ).

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I guess theres pigs everywhere!

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There are pigs everywhere. What’s disturbing is that in Pakistan these village councils are allowed to exist (even if they are "banned") and hand down such sentences and that's unacceptable.

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that is sick...............i thought Pakistan is an islamic country........whatever happened 2 islamic values?????????????

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This is no coincidence that these things are prevalent in Punjab.

Few months ago, Lahoris rioted protesting a ban AGAINST porn shops in ther lovely city. God forbid they ever riot for the rights of Mukhtar Mai. :rolleyes:

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^ What???

You should’ve posted it before (not that I’m surprised).. :smiley:

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grumble grumble...

customs must be upheld!!!

and anyway
tsk... tsk...still unmarried at 22... the shame of it... its not as if anybody else will marry her at that age

I knew getting girls educated would lead to all sorts of bother

I blame the west for putting these strange thoughts in their minds!

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BBC covered it. Search for it on their website.

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Teray sadqay jawaan puttar! :smiley:

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Already we can see fingers being pointed at the ignorant, Jahil and paindo tuggay the next would be the Mullah and then the education system and ultimately it would be Islam. But these things will keep on going until "sarkar" doesn’t set it priorities right.

All we need is to look at Pakistan beyond our posh urban enclaves, you will be surprised at the police vs. Population ratio in Punjab, the number of courts, judges, the distances people have to travel to reach the nearest Police Choki, all this with the believe that the police will provide justice. Once you consider all this you would realize that these kinds of incidents are not going to go away any time soon, until and unless a radical investment in our local judiciary and education system is not done through Federal and state govts.

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Bravo!

That explains the reliance on local/tribal institutions.

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Do you think the imported police from Punjab in Karachi is any better??? :rolleyes:

It is the whole mentality issue and paindoo dugga are to be blamed squarely!

I, like many others, already have said that pakistani provinces should be broken up (exactly to bring government closer to people) but does the government (feudals, army thugs etc) ever listen?

Heck if they listened to “people” in the 1st place, then you wouldn’t have had indira gandhi avenging the defeats of a 1000 years in 1971, would it?

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And btw, there needs to be debate on islamic laws as well!

I don't get why can't we now include forensics, DNA sampling etc in investigations when we know that the "4 men saw you getting raped" is a bit farfetchy (not a lot of people rape women where everyone can watch....)

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Yeah I’m just waiting for the morons who frequent Gupshup condemn Amna NIazi for giving Pak a bad reputation :rolleyes:

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DNA sampling only shows that sex occurred. It doesn’t show whether it was consensual sex or rape.

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^
A medical examination can help determine if there was forced sex and you can build a case around that. The 4 witnesses to a rape is absolutely asinine.