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^ I agree with you, the western media was exposed during Raymond's saga, as the media knowing that he was a CIA agent they kept quiet towing the American governments line. So much for the liberty and freedom of speech.
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^ well isi is not the only organization which will be involved in these kind of activities, CIA and raw have been undertaking these kind of activities as well. This is what the job of intelligence agencies is.
What should Pakistan say about the suspicious activities of the Americans on our border with Afghanistan. They have provided sanctuaries to Pakistani ttp terrorists in eastern Afghanistan. No operation has been carried out against ttp, and now instead of routing them they have attacked Pakistani checkpost. For the past six months in Mohmand several cross border raids have been carried out against Pakistani forces but no action was taken against them.
Job of intelligence agencies is to train and send terrorists into a metropolis and shoot at laborers and commuters with a machine gun?
On your question about what Pakistanis should say - please do watch that programme Secret Pakistan. All those "suspicious" things started after American found out ISI/Pak military had been double dealing them. If ISI hadn;t done that CIA wouldn't have to second guess or distrust PAk military. That is why I am saying all in Pakistan must watch that program so that everyone understands they are all being played by the military and getting killed in the process
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Job of intelligence agencies is to train and send terrorists into a metropolis and shoot at laborers and commuters with a machine gun?
On your question about what Pakistanis should say - please do watch that programme Secret Pakistan. All those "suspicious" things started after American found out ISI/Pak military had been double dealing them. If ISI hadn;t done that CIA wouldn't have to second guess or distrust PAk military. That is why I am saying all in Pakistan must watch that program so that everyone understands they are all being played by the military and getting killed in the process
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I believe there is a lesson in the documentary for us all. For one when Pak let people film them, then they should be filming the film makers to ensure cross-references are secure and not doctored - and if propaganda comes out to release the counter videos.
I also believe it is very critical for CIA to continue making their friends in to their enemies because without enemies the US will have severe economic problems. The fact is the CIA sent the ISI to hold talks with the Taliban and are now exposing that activity as if they had not only been played, but also as if they had no knowledge of it ... Quite smart for them to find Usama bin Laden without Pak knowledge and yet be totally bamboozled by their dealings with the Taliban.
It was no secret ... every statesmen other than America talk with their opposition ... even Israel has talks with the Arab nations ... but US don't want agreements they want war ... that is the only reason why they are upset.
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Bindaz, the mumbai attack is similar to ordinary people being killed through bomb blasts and foreign secret agencies have their roles in some of those activities in Pakistan. As far as isi's role in Mumbai attack is concerned, the Indian government's official line is that the attacks were carried out by non state elements, if they think isi is involved they should take them to international court of justice. The Indians also alleged after the samjhota express attacks that Pakistan were involved although most of the people killed in that attack were Pakistanis and they had to retract afterwards.
The problems taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan are not fully related to terrorism, the Americans have strategic objectives there. The Americans are just using excuses to justify their interference in Pakistan and as long as Americans remain in the region the situation will remain the same. In Iraq the Americans created militias against the insurgents who killed thousands of Iraqis, the creation of ttp seems similar to that. As far as Pakistani double dealing is concerned read about American allegations against Cambodia when they were losing in Vietnam. So leave it the media is in American control and they can propagate what ever they want.
Do you think that Pakistan army and isi are more powerful than raw, CIA and the intelligence agencies of NATO countries combined? Western media is just making up stories to justify their presence in the region, to keep an eye on china, Iran, middle east, central Asia. During the past 10 years the Americans have invested a lot there in terms of money/forces they would like to have return on their investment now through gas and petroleum pipelines, or by extracting the gold and copper worth trillions of dollars which has been discovered in north waziristan, balochistan and Afghanistan.
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So leave it the media is in American control and they can propagate what ever they want.
Hmmm I'm not defeatist ... we should try at least and if not ... then pray that if they have ulterior motives themselves then their own plans to backfire.
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Another brilliant idea from the same country that recently tried to ban "obscenities" from text messages.
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Psyah that's what we are doing on this forum, present our opinion and point of view to the world. And our mainstream media is also trying to do that, but still the reality is that the world believes what american media says.
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Bindaz, t*he mumbai attack is similar to ordinary people being killed through bomb blasts and foreign secret agencies have their roles in some of those activities in Pakistan.* As far as isi's role in Mumbai attack is concerned, the Indian government's official line is that the attacks were carried out by non state elements, if they think isi is involved they should take them to international court of justice. The Indians also alleged after the samjhota express attacks that Pakistan were involved although most of the people killed in that attack were Pakistanis and they had to retract afterwards. .
In India we havent been able to hang kasab till now. Our govt has spent crores over the legal trial of the guy caught red handed. We are expecting Pakistanis to hang mumbai killers when we ourselves have not hanged them..
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at least you should give credit to indian police who investigated caught and putting on trial a serving major , the guy is in the jail ,will certainly get his punishment ,we people are not fond of conspiracy theories everywhere , atleast we backtracked and accepted the truth that too by our own agencies .
in mumbai terror operations by pakistanis.
take the case of jamat ud dawa which organised mumbai attack , it’s chief hafiz syed is out of jail , now he is very much active in pakistan now a days, such people and organisations ultimately are going to kill pakistani citizen in pakistan or out of pakistan in the name of religious differences .
crux of the matter is mentality , don’t tend to encourage terrorists .*
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Indik, where is the proof that hafiz saeed is involved or do you want to gitmo Saeed?
Anyway, this indopak bickering is really annoying in many threads. And Med, how is the govt to blame for cable operators' actions unless DISH and DirecTV's "ban" of AlJazeera also reflects US policy?
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Yeah and how is back home in India?
No censorship?
Anyone can publish the map showing Kashmirs rightful status? (just one of thousand examples)
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Correspondents say the Pakistani government is likely to have put pressure on the operators to impose the ban.
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there is no censorship in india , but few irresponsible pakistani tv anchors and experts openly abuse and talk bad about hindu religion , try to create religious fanaticism in different sects of muslims ,this is drectly opposite to the secular principles of democratic constitution of india . such incidents tend to ban on pakistani channenls.
last but not least B.B.C. has a long standing record of credibility and reputation of being independent and credible source of news and information worlwide. it does not make much difference what cable operators of pakistan(some say may be pressurised by govt of pakistan. or i.s.i. ? )say or ban on the reputation of B.B.C.
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last but not least B.B.C. has a long standing record of credibility and reputation of being independent and credible source of news and information worlwide.
The BBC is a govt new agency & they were cheer leading for invading Iraq that has killed at least half of million Iraqis. BBC has same credibility as PTV.
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The BBC is a govt new agency & they were cheer leading for invading Iraq that has killed at least half of million Iraqis. BBC has same credibility as PTV.
this is your personal opinion or may be majority of pakistan's opinion, but i am talking about opinion worlwide , people think it as a credible source of information and they operate with some sort autonomy and free of govt pressures they are committed journlists, but yes there may be some sort of agenda as you say as it happens with every govt news agency.
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Sure, we should learn something from the beacon for freedom of media and expression, UK and US.
Yeah right!
And this is indeed not state censorship, 
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Ofcom and state-sponsored censorship
Although the UK’s state media regulator Ofcom has ruled that Press TV should be taken off the Sky platform for the compensation of what is claimed to be the violation of “Ofcom’s Broadcasting Code,” it’s almost clear to everyone that the voice of truth and impartiality cannot be silenced effortlessly.**
It’s equally clear that those who want to exert political pressure on Press TV to force it into giving up its independent and objective stance cannot achieve their ominous goal as long as Press TV is viewed and loved by millions of people around the world who want to go beyond the surface of the propagandistic and erroneous coverage of the international events by the mainstream, corporate media.
Since it was launched in 2007, Press TV’s large-scale policy was to serve as a voice for the voiceless; a voice for those who can’t enter the complicated and intricate structure of the mainstream media and have their voice heard by the global audiences. Press TV has always been credited with objectivity in reporting and presenting an alternative, unconventional viewpoint on the world issues, especially the developments in the blistering Middle East and that’s why many Western citizens, especially those in the UK and the US who are overfed with the lies and fabrications of their state-owned media from BBC and Daily Telegraph to CNN and Fox News, resort to it to explore the other side of the story and figure out what is really happening in their countries which they are obliviously unaware of as a result of the duplicitous and unfaithful performance of their media.
With the implicit encouragement and support of the Royal Family, the UK politicians have in the recent years made frequent crippling attempts to debase Press TV and enfeeble its international position. Under various pretexts, they put pressure on the British staff of Press TV and used all the leverages at their disposal to disrupt Press TV’s performance and undermine its prestige.
Now that they have issued a verdict that Press TV should be taken off the Sky platform, several prominent journalists, activists and international observers have protested at this imprudent decision and condemned the British government for its flagrant censorship and political intolerance.
Renowned American author and journalist Kevin Barrett praises Press TV for its comprehensive coverage of the global developments and condemns the Ofcom’s impertinent decision, saying, “Press TV may be the best English-language journalistic outlet in the world. Its journalists are encouraged to report critically on the powerful forces that rule the English-speaking world, and who are attempting to take over the rest of the planet – namely the New World Order banksters and their lackeys.”
“Additionally, Press TV and its Arabic analogue Al-Alam provide the best available mass media coverage of the Middle East. The Orwellian autocrats at Ofcom must be prevented from silencing the last remaining free voices in English-language media,” he added.
American journalist and associate researcher with the Canada-based Center for Research on Globalization Stephen Lendman also believes that Press TV is a reliable, trustworthy and influential media outlet and with its inauguration, BBC and Al-Jazeera have been consigned to oblivion. “Pressure exerted on Press TV by Cameron’s government is outrageous and they don’t have any justification for treating Press TV like this. Britain calls itself a democracy while silencing the media like this, and this is not democracy; this is only the manifestation of a police state.”
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Good move :k:
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The Government of Pakistan has not banned anything. If cable operators do not wish to show a channel they do not have to. That is why Al Jazeera was not placed on US cable till last year. And even then only Time Warner picked it up for select areas.
No violations of freedom of speech. It is all commercial business.
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correcting maps makes the maps usable, whether the mistake was made in the map or wrong info was shown in the map due to political agenda. If Kashmir is shown any way other than as part of India, obviously Indian government must get that corrected.
How can Kashmir be shows as part of either India or Pakistan, when its status according to the United Nations is that of a contested territory? By international law, it is part of neither country.
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This banning is outrageous! Anyone offended by BBC is free to tune out.
What about the rest of the viewers? Why are the cable operators making the decision for them?
This is a dangerous slippery slope.
Next time GEO, AaJ etc. broadcasts something the ISI (or may be the MQM) does not like, the cable operators may get some bhind-the-scenes pressure to 'voluntarily' ban these channels too.
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Since when do cable operators have the authority to ban stuff? They simply take it off their commercial enterprise.
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^ Which amounts to the same thing in practice