Pakistan being Represented by Film Stars...?

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It has NOTHING to do with that they're prostitutes or not. First off, that's speculation. Second off, even if they are - who the hell cares? They got out of it, and they're trying to make money in a different way - i.e. by acting. Which is a perfectly respectable profession!

But what I have a problem with is that they're not very educated to begin with. And that leads them to think more emotionally than with their logic, which makes them make a total fool out of themselves when they go abroad.

They don't know classical dance - they don't know professional dance - and yet they go to do dancing numbers in a bollywood show??

They don't know much about Pakistan and Pakistan's art industry, as they're not really engaged in it to begin with - I mean acting in PUnjabi jhatt films is not what it used to be, so it can hardly qualify as being an ARTist!

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All The Paki Actors Dont Represent Pakistan..they Work Just For Money

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Wrong. They never do. And trust me, its not speculation.

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Mr Lucman, you've said in another post that the major reason Pakistani films have deteriorated is because the film makers stopped playing on our strengths, i.e story/screenplay/dialogues and started concentrating on 'other' stuff which we were never good at. I think this 'other' stuff would definitely include dancing. I want to know, why do have to have THAT [the bolly] kind of dancing in the first place. It's there in Pehla Pehla Pyaar too, as I saw in the promom. Can't our films be just interesting, intriguing storylines made at a large budget, with some songs -- and maybe some dance, but not the kind that is beyond what any educated, respectable girl would do? And then, the wardobe factor is there too....

I think going the glamour/song/dance way is the easy way out. Coming up with a storyline that sells is rather hard, on the other hand.

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^ The problem with even attempts at good film-making by people in the TV industry is that you get a movie that is more like a drama. The drama medium requires a different style of writing, and the movie medium requires a different style.

Not many in Pakistan these days know how to write an actual movie script. That's why I like the idea of these telefilms that you see on GEO/ARY etc - maybe even Indus (we don't have Indus in the states so I don't know).

The more people experiment with the medium on the small screen, the more they'll learn how to fine tune their scripts.

Movie scripts need to be simple, str8forward, and linear. Drama scripts are more like a web, where you've got this connection, and then that connection, and then another being made - which you can do because you're dealing with a drama that can go to an X number of episodes.

Movie scripts on the other hand need to have one theme. That's why Syed Noor's initial films where he had like 3 couples with separate romance stories just did not work. That's why Dewana Tere Pyar Ke, and these other films also did not work - you could easily see that there was an attempt to basically write a short drama. There was too much clutter in the storyline.

Movie scripts need to work up to a climax in a matter of 1.5 or so hours. And then there needs to be a dynamite conclusion. Indian movies are great working up to the climax, but somewhere in the middle they lose their steam. I think Dil Se and Swades were the only two I've seen so far that managed to avoid this.

I think one thing that Pakistani movie makers might want to do is to go over to the Iranian industry and observe as they make movies - also maybe make some combined movies with them. Its a better influence than bollywood movies, which are not only commercial, but are poor in their script-quality. Of course, if you want to spruce up your technology - then, yes, go to India and learn from them.

Pakistan has way too much catching up to do.

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The farsees don't admire some bolly actress's butt moves. Our Pak audience, has 'different' tastes, however. The Iranian experiment won't work, trust me on that!

Atif Aslam
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^ I think it would. I’m not saying go make an Iranian-type movie with Pakistani actors and an Urdu script.

What I’m saying is go and pick up some tips and tricks from them. Like how to write a good script that keeps the momentum going. Plus, their films are heavily based on social-issues, which I think will pull in a good Pakistani crowd - just look how ga-ga Pakistanis are going over dramas these days. Its because often times, you can relate to the social topics picked out in those dramas (I’m not talking about Bolly-influenced dramas like Kuch Kahi Unkahi :rolleyes: )

Plus, with the right combination of influences (good ones) from India, and from our own television industry’s past, and from common pop culture of Pakistan, I think its pretty feasible to revive the Pakistani movie industry.

I just think the emphasis is being put on the WRONG items to sell a movie - i.e. the actress’s wardrobe, or gori heroines, or a lot of thumka jhutka moves in the dance sequence, partial-nudity, jokes that are of an obscene nature, pulling in an all-Indian team to do the music, etc.

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^^ Social issues par films banney tau you guys call it a drama :rolleyes:

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No, a drama-like film is a film that has a script structure of that of a drama - i.e. too many twists and turns and multi-linear plot.

Just because a movie picks up a social theme does not make it a drama. Lots of American movies are made on social themes, and some of the better movies I've seen from India are on social themes. Take Chandni Bar for example.

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Who cares about India? What’s Chandni Bar…That aside, Zeba Bakhtiar’s Babu(2001) was a fabulously made “social” film dealing with the dilemma of this girl from the red light area. It never worked. So, the lesson learnt is that social films have to have some entertainment value, like Inteha which was abt marital “rape”, but then had its share of beach danching babes and lemme-seduce-you numbers…The audience wants fun, they pay for that. Enough “social” crap in the papers already!

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^ Those movies didn’t flop because they were based on a social issue - they flopped because of bad acting, bad direction, and bad production, and most of all - bad script.

A script is not just a story. Its also the dialogue. You can come up with a theme in an issue.

Ex. Panchayat Gang Rape as Punishment.

Okay, so now you have a topic. But depending on how you set up your dialogue and model your scenes, your script can be strong, or it can be utter garbage.

:rolleyes:

As for the public wanting a bit of masala - that’s all and fine, as long as its in control and done with some taste. That’s the only way to bring back the middle class to the cinema halls. No matter what movie you release, the working class will be there - they don’t have any alternatives for entertainment.

So no need to stoop to a lower class level and deliver a movie that you can’t watch with little kids.

Inteha was not a success because it had beach dancing babes, and lemme-seduce-you numbers - that’s pretty sick, bollybuster.

It was a success because it was done with some class and elegance. And its dialogues were relatively better put-together.

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Interesting conversation here. I agree with PCG that its the story, acting, direction that compose a good movie. On a slightly separate note, since I have no connection to the pakistani film industry, i have always heard that most of the actresses in the pakistani film industry are from the red light areas.

Since we have Mr. Lucman in our community, can he for once put a rest to this rumor. Personally, I dont care where they come from. They are artists at the end of the day. But is it true that most of these current stars are in fact from heera mandi?

Thanks...

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It’s all a matter of opinion really. You need to dilute the rather unpleasant message with some entertainment value inorder for the audience to digest the film. Otherwise it would bomb. The songs and babes were very much a part of Inteha. It was a very well put together film, more so because it actually was produced by the Lahore industry. Different people watch movies for diff reasons, but I’d just say here if the entertainment value was lacking in Inteha, people would just call it another “drama” and dump the movie at it’s first show.