Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
I have heard the American military being called many things, but incompetent is not one of them.
I am sure they are too busy fighting the Taliban that attack them personally, than to go after some apparent Taliban who attack Pak Army - who help 'different' Taliban attack the US.
Let's not put our head in the sand about the role of the ISI in helping some Taliban attack the US, and the consequences that can have for the whole country.
Vietnam, Somalia, lebanon, iraq, shall i go on with the list?
Yes lets not put our head in the sand about ISI, but also lets not overlook what the other side is doing. The "too busy" fighting Americans just cannot fight the Talibans who attack Pakistan from their side. Yeah right.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
Yes, the Americans are too busy fighting the taleban although they are not alone there (under the umbrella of NATO/isaf) but when pakistan army says the same the same people are not willing to buy their argument.
When the pakistan army complained to the Americans after the numerous attacks from eastern afghanistan but they didn't bother to take any action (although they boast of their spy networks and drones), anyways the same taleban from the east brought down their chinook (now that's pakistan's fault) killing their seals. They themselves are providing sanctuaries on the afghan side, and then blame Pakistan. Agreed Pakistan is inefficient, we can never be economically as well as militarily powerful as the americans, but when the whole of NATO has not been able to do anything in Afghanistan how can they expect pakistan with a failed economy to take up a prolonged war (mind you we have already lost 35000 people in this war many times more than 911)
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
Vietnam, Somalia, lebanon, iraq, shall i go on with the list?
Yes lets not put our head in the sand about ISI, but also lets not overlook what the other side is doing. The "too busy" fighting Americans just cannot fight the Talibans who attack Pakistan from their side. Yeah right.
You can go on with the list of actions - 20/30 years ago. Anyways, no one said they are invincible. Btw, they conquered Iraq, and then beat the insurgency.
Again, the priority of the Americans is to stop the Taliban attacking them, not to stop certain 'Taliban' attacking the double game playing Pakistan ISI.
Re Pakistan, and the ISI , they should remember the saying 'you play with fire, you get burned'.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
**The Pakistani military spokesman, General Athar Abbas, said: "Let's suppose it was the case. The main question is how did this truck travel to Wardak and explode without being checked by Nato? This is just a blame game."
**I think Athar Abbas hit the nail on the head. If Mullen claims that US warned Pakistan two days before that a truck laden with explosives was heading from Pakistan to the US embassy in Kabul, how come they (NATO) were unable to stop this truck in the interventing period?
Same reason they could not find OBL for over a decade.
They cannot find the exact location of everything, anytime they want.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
Same reason they could not find OBL for over a decade.
They cannot find the exact location of everything, anytime they want.
So they knew a truck was coming and it travelled all the way from Paksitan to Afghanistan and they couldnt trace it. Just goes to show how vigilant they are, they couldnt even monitor all the traffice entregin from Paksitan which wouldnt be that huge considering the war.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
i think the bottom line is. US/Nato is protecting the Taliban that attack in Pakistan and keep blind eye on such elements in return they dont attack NATO in Afghanistan. They dont care about them as they are Pakistan's problem and supporting them with help of others in the area. Its ok When US does it! Now Haqqani network is not the only group that fighting in Afghanistan. They seem not to attack against Pakistan, so why should Pakistan declare war against them and make more Afghan enemies? surely US can take action against them inside Afghanistan and if they have intelligence that Pakistan is supporting them or they hide after the attacks all the way from Kabul to North Waziristan on magic carpets without detection, they should provide to Pakistan. it also shows that drone attacks are not eliminating haqqanis or any one else even if we believe they hide inside Pakistan.
the way i see it, more and more desperate releases from US to blame failure on Pakistan and leave or carry on build up case to attack Pakistan at some point when situation in Pakistan is favorable to them, ie more destabilization of Pakistan by agents, proxy elements inside Pakistan!, creating havoc by bombs, media war, general unrest by stirring hate on the basis of ethnic or faith grounds.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
So they knew a truck was coming and it travelled all the way from Paksitan to Afghanistan and they couldnt trace it. Just goes to show how vigilant they are, they couldnt even monitor all the traffice entregin from Paksitan which wouldnt be that huge considering the war.
There are thousands of trucks that cross between Pak and Afghanistan daily.
As I said, they can't find everything, they are not invincible. Even with all their assets looking for OBL, it took them over a decade.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
100k plus American troops and 50k plus other NATO in Afghanistan, all the latest technology of the world, open license to pretty much do anything, air bases, air support and what not. They cant stop Taliban in 10 years from doing all this and expect Pakistan to curb all this single hand.
Secondly, Mr. Mullen should also explain what is US/NATO/Afghanistan doing to stop the attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistani area. Time and time again, insurgents have entered Pakistan and killed many security personals and civilians. What have THEY done to stop this?
Hina Rabbi has hit the nail on the head that "Its just desperate attempt from USA to blame its own failure in Afghanistan onto Pakistan". No wonder they are using a guy who will retire in next 30 days hence keeping a door of reconciliation open.
Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen
She hit the nail right on the head.. I like the part especially where she said Pak military drove these terroriost from FATA back to Vietnamistan and yet they find their way back to Pak killing women and children, Should we point finger at CIA…
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
I have heard the American military being called many things, but incompetent is not one of them.
I am sure they are too busy fighting the Taliban that attack them personally, than to go after some apparent Taliban who attack Pak Army - who help 'different' Taliban attack the US.
Let's not put our head in the sand about the role of the ISI in helping some Taliban attack the US, and the consequences that can have for the whole country.
actually American military is quite INCOMPETENT. They just happen to have enormous resources backed by decades of technology research. Look at how many programs failed. Look at how much friendly fire. Look at how much sucking up to the executive.
We'd all like to think they are all heros but only some are really competemt
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
This is year 11 of the NATO/foreign military engagement in Afghanistan with 100,000 US troops + 30,000 from 44 other countries stationed there. Yet the US military are basically stating that they are unable to stop the flow of terrorists escaping from Afghanistan into Pakistan or stop any supposed terrorists from crossing in the other direction. Calling that incompetence is surely an understatement.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
The Haqqani gang and LeT, both are official mercenary Divisions in the Pak Army, each about 15000 soldiers dressed in civilian clothes. They get their wages from ISI and their families get pension from ISI, if they get killed in operations. Both the Divisions are under tight control of ISI, and they can not carry out any operation unless ISI orders them to do so. The ISI 'S' Division recruits, trains and funds these two terror groups, and provides them logistical support and strategic advice. Depending upon the geopolitical situation, the ISI deactivates and reactivates the trainng camps for these jihadis. Out of about hundred odd terror training camps, 43 terror training camps adjoining Abbotabad region have recently been reactivated by ISI. Apart from the trainings imparted in these camps, on specialized need basis, training is also provided in regular Military Training centres. For example the 26/11 attackers of the LeT were provided Marine Commando Training in Pakistan Navy Training Centres by a Pakistan Navy Frogman. The 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Parliament attacks, numerous attacks in J&K and Indian Embassies in Afghnistan, etc were all carried out after the ISI ordered those attacks. These two groups are nothing but a mercenary force of the Pak Army for asymmetric and proxy warfare against the neighbors of Pakistan.
Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen
The Haqqani gang and LeT, both are official mercenary Divisions in the Pak Army, each about 15000 soldiers dressed in civilian clothes. They get their wages from ISI and their families get pension from ISI, if they get killed in operations. Both the Divisions are under tight control of ISI, and they can not carry out any operation unless ISI orders them to do so. The ISI 'S' Division recruits, trains and funds these two terror groups, and provides them logistical support and strategic advice. Depending upon the geopolitical situation, the ISI deactivates and reactivates the trainng camps for these jihadis. Out of about hundred odd terror training camps, 43 terror training camps adjoining Abbotabad region have recently been reactivated by ISI. Apart from the trainings imparted in these camps, on specialized need basis, training is also provided in regular Military Training centres. For example the 26/11 attackers of the LeT were provided Marine Commando Training in Pakistan Navy Training Centres by a Pakistan Navy Frogman. The 26/11 Mumbai attacks, Parliament attacks, numerous attacks in J&K and Indian Embassies in Afghnistan, etc were all carried out after the ISI ordered those attacks. These two groups are nothing but a mercenary force of the Pak Army for asymmetric and proxy warfare against the neighbors of Pakistan.
Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen
Yamahaguy … y do i feel ive read the exact same comments on tribune just yesterday?
**Pakistan warns US: ‘You will lose an ally’ if accusations continue
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Earlier on Thursday Pakistan’s foreign minister said that the United States risks losing an ally if it continues to publicly criticise Islamabad’s performance in the war against militancy.
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“You will lose an ally,” Hina Rabbani Khar told Geo TV in New York.
“You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan, you cannot afford to alienate the Pakistani people. If you are choosing to do so and if they are choosing to do so it will be at their (the United States’) own cost.”