Pakistan as Muslim country

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Re: Pakistan as Muslim country

@Lahore 981

And look what you have written in reply to that. You have referred it to Saudi Arabia.
Thats what it is. We have to look at what Islam says, not what is practiced in the name of Islam in different countries

because saudia arabia practices islam. I know the whole argument of “it is the people that are bad…not the religion” but for our argument, we have the examples of various states (such as saudi arabia and iran) as examples of states where islamic laws are implemented. and judging by how “impressed” pakis are with arabs…i believe that if pakistan is to become an islamic state we will most definitely follow in their footsteps…

@Lahore 981

The pilgrims are to remain under a state of “extra” caution and alertness. Men and women have to be in a state of spiritual and mental clarity and peace. There is a protocol that has to be followed …Imagine yourself in that situation? Can you survive on your own? Be raelistic. You don’t know anyone there and you want to perfom Haj?

the point is again…whether a woman can survive on her own or not is a personal problem…it shouldnt be a rule of religion that you MUST take a mehram with you. it can be stated as a precautionary step every woman considering hajj should take but why it remains a RULE kind of reflects that a single woman has no right to perform hajj on her own…kind of pushes me towards the “no female clerics or prayer imams” issue which i want to steer clear of.

@Lahore 981

Whom else besides Mahram you would wanna go out for Haj? A boyfriend? Isn’t it ironic SW. We are want to perform Hajj, an “Islamic Ibadah” and we are forgetting here that Islam does not recognize any fifth relation of a woman with a man besides a wife, sister, daughter and/or mother? So the need for a Mahram is alread justified here. Right?

bhai jaan u really need to stop referring to a boyfriend in reply to each post. there really are other relationships (such as just friends, cousins etc) existing out there aside from being a man’s wife, sis, daughter, mother. you make it sound like its a jungle out there in mecca/medina and ever woman is bound to be raped! she is going for an islamic ibadat and there should be nothing safer than that destination for her. she should not feel the need to have a man next to her to protect her when she visits God’s house and other holy sites.

@Lahore 981

Hate to say that but this is a western concept of “Unlimited freedom” what they call democracy.

hate to say but democracy does not = unlimited freedom. it is govt by the people. and neither is it a concept of western origin.

@Lahore 981

Hijab deals with the “Collective” life of a society MORE than it deals with the individual life of a person.

how so? please explain? hijab to me is a personal choice again.

i DO agree that if a man sees women parading in slutty clothes his eyes will stray but then again sluts/prostitutes have existed in every time and society and even with hijabis around a man who wants to sleep around will do it no matter what.

@Lahore 981

Marriage is a way to maintian social integrity of a society. If left on the indiviual choice, people wouldn’t bother to marry because they will not be willing to take the responsibility associated with marriage.

huh? marriage IS left to the individual in every society…however in places like pakistan guys have more freedom to decide when and whether to get married than women. in the wicked west for example women and men have a choice on whether to get married or not. they dont have their parents pushing them. so WHY do these people get married? as per your logic they should remain single and party their whole lives…

@Lahore 981

On the freeways, it is posted “Speed limit 70 mph”. If it is left on the individula choice of the driver, who is gonna follow it? I guess none. And why do you see so many policemen on the highways catching people overspeeding and driving after drinking?
I think same applies to the Hijab Laws of Islam.

these are made to avoid accidents and to save lives. how does that apply to hijab? does hijab guarantee that a woman wont be raped?killed for honor?

@Lahore 981

“implement the laws ordered by Allah by acting his representative on earth”…

and what about the fact that representatives’ own interests usually come first? ill use saudi arabia (my fav ) as an example again! wahabi driven logic hates all things western but on a political level they kiss america’s butt for the $$$.