Watching the video of pakistan air chief flying F-16 the first thing that came to my mind was the difference between Pakistan army and the militaries of most middle Eastern countries. Pakistan army might have made some very bad choices on the international stage as well as internally but it’s a true professional army. A few days back I was reading a news report of houthis (rebel group in Yemen) attacking their presidential palace with aircrafts. This is a big difference which sets Pakistan apart from others. There are some militant groups challenging Pakistan, the army is confronting them. Some rogue ex army men might have joined militants but we can’t expect the defections like we have seen in other countries in the region. We should be thankful to Allah for this. Having said that I still would want the army to become more representative of the whole country and try to stay away from politics.
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Watching the video of pakistan air chief flying F-16 the first thing that came to my mind was the difference between Pakistan army and the militaries of most middle Eastern countries. Pakistan army might have made some very bad choices on the international stage as well as internally but still it's a true professional army. A few days back I was reading a news report of houthis (rebel group in Yemen) attacking their presidential palace with aircrafts. This is a big difference which sets Pakistan apart from others.
Pakistan Air Force has always been far more professional than Pakistan Army.
Pak Army has attacked prime minister and presidents house many times. It has killed elected leaders and many thousands of Pakistanis.
Pak Army have ruled Pak for half it's existence, it's millionaire Generals are as responsible for the state of Pak as any politician.
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Pakistan Air Force has always been far more professional than Pakistan Army.
Pak Army has attacked prime minister and presidents house many times. It has killed elected leaders and many thousands of Pakistanis.
Pak Army have ruled Pak for half it's existence, it's millionaire Generals are as responsible for the state of Pak as any politician.
I agree and that should change. Army should not interfere in politics, internal and foreign policies. I'd like the proportion of Sindhis, seraikis, balochs and tribals to increase in the forces as well.
Re: Pakistan army - the binding force
Pakistan Army thinks that is it the binding force (among other things)..... and that is one of the biggest problems we face.
Re: Pakistan army - the binding force
Pakistan Army thinks that is it the binding force (among other things)..... and that is one of the biggest problems we face.
Exactly. The binding force for a nation and its people can not be the institution that holds weapons and has used violence to quell dissension.
The binding force should be the vision of the Quaid. Unity, Faith and Discipline.
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If we remove Pakistan army from the equation, the country will quietly disintegrate. There are too many forces acting within the country due to its strategic location, which is a curse for the country (instead of being a strength).
Re: Pakistan army - the binding force
If we remove Pakistan army from the equation, the country will quietly disintegrate. There are too many forces acting within the country due to its strategic location, which is a curse for the country (instead of being a strength).
No it won't and such notions are idiotic. One institution can not safe guard this country. Musharraf and the army proved that by creating the TTP and destroying the fabric of our society with all the double games.
The problems we face today are solely the fault of the army.
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If we remove Pakistan army from the equation, the country will quietly disintegrate. There are too many forces acting within the country due to its strategic location, which is a curse for the country (instead of being a strength).
You mean they are the only ones who can kill enough people to keep a country together - is this how you want to keep a country together? have you forgotten 1971?
The country is disintegrating because of many forces the Army has created and supported- TTP, jihadis, MQM,and many more.
All state institutions has been weakened, mlitary takes all the countries resources.
A strong judiciary, police, education system, and developed democracy would hold Pak together much better.
Watching a trained pilot fly a plane does not change this.
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A strong judiciary, police, education system, and developed democracy would hold Pak together much better.
This is something the civilians need to take care of. I have mentioned their miscalulations in my first post...even with their skewed internal/foreign policies still they are the most disciplined group in the country.
by the way pakistan's interference in Afghanistan began when Bhutto was ruling the country.
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With out any deep knowledge just by looking at what is going on around the world.
It seems like the reason pakistan did not become iraq or (now)yaman or syria like country,
is army. or more precisely current army leadership.
Simple fact that he/army cleaned up those area where IS kind group could thrive, shows some know what they are doing.
I have no problem admitting that it seems like PTI had it wrong, army knew their profession.
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This is something the civilians need to take care of. I have mentioned their miscalulations in my first post...even with their skewed internal/foreign policies still they are the most disciplined group in the country.
by the way pakistan's interference in Afghanistan began when Bhutto was ruling the country.
Yes, civilians have done wrong and they have been condemned and punished many times. We are talking about Pak Army, who are never punished for their corruption and killings.
It is hard to develop civil insitutions, ie education, when military takes so much resources.
Judiciary - forgotten the CJ Chaudry civil society struggle?
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If we remove Pakistan army from the equation, the country will quietly disintegrate. There are too many forces acting within the country due to its strategic location, which is a curse for the country (instead of being a strength).
Did Pakistan not disintegrate despite army?
Do not remove army from the equation. Just remove army from the areas of life where Army should not be. The idea is not that the military is inherently bad. The idea is that they think they are somehow competent to run politics, media, judiciary, intelligence agencies, housing societies, fertilizer plants, oil companies, insurance companies, banks, distilled water plants, cement plants, etc. They think they are superior to everyone else in the country. That is major BS.
Just other day I was listening to a retired general talking about Mujeeb's 6 points. He said that if we agreed to them, it would have been almost like secession. Well, what happened eventually?
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^ Bangladesh was not feasible from the go. It was bound to separate at some stage, the ultimate separation could have been more honourable...
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^ Bangladesh was not feasible from the go. It was bound to separate at some stage, the ultimate separation could have been more honourable...
Exactly. Why not have a political solution to political problems?
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The binding force should be the vision of the Quaid. Unity, Faith and Discipline.
agreed.. quaid awam Altaf hussain
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^ Bangladesh was not feasible from the go. It was bound to separate at some stage, the ultimate separation could have been more honourable...
Baluchistan and other are also wishing same honorable only due to your 'binding force'
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Exactly. The binding force for a nation and its people can not be the institution that holds weapons and has used violence to quell dissension.
The binding force should be the vision of the Quaid. Unity, Faith and Discipline.
True!
I think it is about time we should create local national heroes, the one who have laid their services to and have been proud of Pakistan. They should be Pakistani should have memorials and days ( not a day off) in schools and colleges in their memory.
These can be people like Edhi, like M M Alam, Dr. Abdus Salam, Gen Syed Shahid Hamid, Bhutto etc and at same time we need to create states men, i don't know how, but they are need of the time.
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Baluchistan and other are also wishing same honorable only due to your 'binding force'
On the one side we have the 'over confident' and on the other side those with 'lack of confidence'. What steps have the civilians taken to bring FATA and Balochistan in the main stream? No one has stopped the civilians from performing in their respective portfolios. We in Pakistan love blaming others for our woes...
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Baluchistan and other are also wishing same honorable only due to your 'binding force'
Ask the great bhutto, when he attacked Balochistan... he was civilian leader... or you would call him an implant as well???
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Cant make up my mind 