It's unbelieveable that there are pakistanis like you, who keep talking about good terrorist and bad terrorists. It's your obsession to Kashmir that got you here. You wanted to needle India, encouraged terrorism and when Soviet got involved in Afghan you used religious terrorism to oppose them not because you are champion on democracy (far from it) crusaders against communism. Because you saw India in Soviet and assumed India is going to control Afghanistan. You created Taliban without thinking for once the consequences of it, for you as a nation do not live for any priciples and only thing you stand for is destruction of India. As long as you continue this path there is no hope!!!! sorry!! I have to say this, I hope good sense will brevail and I am proved wrong.
We have not created Taliban. It was a genuine American Idea, not ours. This is how they make the bad plans and then make the world to suffer. Osama was an American product not even some Muslims country product. Now you better read the Pakistani definition of a terrorist.
“A terrorist has no land, no country, and no religion”
We don’t have any concept of good or bad terrorist. May be USA have but I am not aware of it. In our view a terrorist is a terrorist. He deserve death sentence in front of whole world. Not to throw him in the sea. To us this is just like hiding facts or lying.
And our principles are a lot better than you. We have not killed children and women in Afghanistan like American forces are doing.
We don’t have any ugly philosophy like Hinduva as Indians have in their country.
We are not killing minorities in Pakistan, like Indians are killing Christians, Muslims and Sikhs.
Your government support dictatorship in Pakistan and discourage the democracy.
Americans supported worst dictator, Gen zia and then Mr Idiot “Musharaf”.
You break our principles and then blame us.
SHAME ON YOU AMERICANS.
Brother i have wrote an complete article about the history of this war in response of an Indian ( named Fulcrum) reply to my thread. That how USA imported war in this region.That article is in complete detail.I m pasting that article again for your assistance.I hope it contain the answers of your all questions.
"Talibans are just products their makers are Americans"
1.Americans were supporting an idiot dictator Gen Zia and discouraging the democracy in Pakistan.
2.Americans were financing the Talibans and providing them weapons against Russians.
3.Talibans since then are using those Us-provided weapons & training and also those weapos which were left by Russians.Those weapons are in huge quantity.
4. When Talibans with the help of US and Pak defeated Russia, Americans went back without making any proper Govt in Afg and then those trained Jehadis groups started fighting against each other to become the Afg rulers.
you may read the history from some other sources too. Americans made mistakes at that time and still they are doing the same thing, they are trying to destabilize Pakistan.But this time American's sufferings will increase much more times, and in the end they will go back with empty hands
assalam alaikam
I agree with several points of yours including America wants to destabilize pakistan in fact they want to destabilize entire region this is their project to control and stay in area and never allow another power to take over or challenge them.
One point i disagree with you is on democracy it will not give pakistan anything except more chaos and more disaster.
Currently we have a game of ppp or pml changing leadership position every few years stealing the wealth and fooling the people.
this is a disaster for pakistan how can anyone call for democracy after it has failed so badly and more important as a muslim i do not accept this corrupt system which breed more corruption and more disaster on the people.
this demcoracy is like a cancer you have choice you can destroy it completely and recover or you can change medicine every few years and die slowly which one you choose?
They are people the likes of Imran, Nawaz, Jamat e Islami, and JUI support. They are people the likes of Saudis and UAE support.
If they are Americans then why are these people supporting them?
BTW, do you guys now agree that Osama mardood is really dead?
History is the greatest evidence.I do not need to prove it. Americans used Senior Idiot Mr.Gen Zia to provide finance, training and weapons to Taliban. And Indians copied the same American idea to support TTP and to destabilize Pakistan.Indians are using the Afghanistan territory to do this job.
Now my question is can you prove it Talibans are not product of America?????
its a high time for pakistanis to get there acts sorted and stop blaming americans and others for there current state-otherwise they will be battered by the rest of the world-
its a high time for pakistanis to get there acts sorted and stop blaming americans and others for there current state-otherwise** they will be battered by the rest of the world**-
I know you are getting "hard" these days, but please go buy some movie, I am sure you can hire girl too, get your frustration out somewhere else.
world famous historian said "History is the greatest evidence.He do not need to prove it. “
so dont ask questions and proof.
its a high time for pakistanis to get there acts sorted and stop blaming americans and others for there current state-otherwise they will be battered by the rest of the world-
Are news and articles are proof??? Lols
if news and articles are proof, then its meant that Osama was dead in 2005. These were news given by American media and even later his grave was also shown on CNN. News and articles can be a good or solid opinion but proof is some thing which you can bring to the court.
Joke of the day=News and articles are proof.
Their are thousands of other examples i can give, in which reports or articles were published in the paper and then the publishers apologized or sued.
Why not you cowards answer my question.
Talibans were not product of America????????????? Answer this ...
Come on gentle man time to come out of mother's lap and face the real world's realities...
We have not created Taliban. It was a genuine American Idea, not ours. This is how they make the bad plans and then make the world to suffer. Osama was an American product not even some Muslims country product. Now you better read the Pakistani definition of a terrorist.
“A terrorist has no land, no country, and no religion”
We don’t have any concept of good or bad terrorist. May be USA have but I am not aware of it. In our view a terrorist is a terrorist. He deserve death sentence in front of whole world. Not to throw him in the sea. To us this is just like hiding facts or lying.
And our principles are a lot better than you. We have not killed children and women in Afghanistan like American forces are doing.
We don’t have any ugly philosophy like Hinduva as Indians have in their country.
We are not killing minorities in Pakistan, like Indians are killing Christians, Muslims and Sikhs.
Your government support dictatorship in Pakistan and discourage the democracy.
Americans supported worst dictator, Gen zia and then Mr Idiot “Musharaf”.
You break our principles and then blame us.
SHAME ON YOU AMERICANS.
No. It was Pakistan’s idea. In fact America at that point of time had a hands-off approach to Afghanistan (read dropped like a HOT $%^$). Pakistan saw an opportunity to develop the strategic depth and feared the pro-Indian, relatively secular NA. The environment at that point was very conducive for a radical group to be setup. Pakistan should have reversed the course then and there by closing down the madarasas and moving the country back to right of the center. Instead, it thought it is easy to get a force like Taliban together, but never thought of the consequences.
Good and bad terrorist logic is not my making; those are words from Mushy – said repeatedly on TV. He tried to distinguish between Kashmir groups (both Pakistan supported real Kashmir groups and Pakistani Punjab fundamentalists) and Al Qaida. In fact, he was elusive about Taliban; I suppose he is afraid of calling them a good terrorist openly.
Yes riots happen in India every now and then and people of all religion including Hindus die in them. At least government in India get them under control sooner or later, unlike what's happening in Karachi where Muslims of different sects and regions kill each other ruthlessly and it's going on for a long time. There is no open violence against other minorities because there suppression (even killing) is legally supported by your constitution.
When you compare India and Pakistan the minorities in India live with lot more dignity than in Pakistan. Look around and see for yourself the large number of minorities (including Muslims) that have succeeded from lowest rung of the society. I hardly know of anything like that in Pakistan, where class system still rules.
I can only pity you as you are repeating the conspiracy theories that are fed into you by your establishment and collective psyche of Pakistan. Take a look at the recent attacks in the naval base. Taliban is openly claiming it's their work, but you’re TV and new media is full of stories that it's work of foreign agency. Pakistani conspiracy theories have reached to a point, world is beginning to consider them as serious impediment to Pakistan progress. (Today’s interview by Hillary Clinton). If I were government in Pakistan, would come out and categorically deny those conspiracies and tell the people “here is what we are dealing” and let us tackle. Instead they are happy with the lies. Pakistan’s problem is "Denial to the point of self destruction”.
1. Afghanistan: A New History, Martin Ewers, Curzon, 2001 2.Taliban: Islam, Oil and the New Great Game in Central Asia, Ahmed Rashid, I.B Tauris, 2000
3. Reaping the Whirlwind: The Taliban Movement in Afghanistan, Michael Griffin, Pluto Press, 2001
These books contain the complete answers of your childish questions, that how US created Taliban in 1980s, financed them, provided them weapons and money and why Pakistan and US were supporting them.
Purpose of this thread was to analyze that what Pakistan lost due to Taliban. Not do discuss Indian or US support of Taliban.The real purpose of the thread was to make realize the people of Pakistan, that Talibans are not Muslims, they are killers just like US and Indians in Kashmir. You better read these books, which contain the authentic material.Their are also written a lot of things against Pakistan in these books, but I have to admit them,why, because they are “true”. Gentlemen try to face the realities.And If you think articles are proof, then here is just a very small proof.
Click these links The villains of today’s news were heroes in the '80sBy David N. Gibbs
**The Taliban, the US and the resources of Central Asia**By Peter Symonds
Click these links to read the realities. These writers are not muslims like me. But they are also not idiots like you, who try to run away from the reality.
I hope this will shut your mouths and from now on, you will post material only related to thread.