Pakistan 2020: Futuristic Scenarios

Most people agree that problems of Pakistan are profound and systemic and wouldn’t be solved by the impeachment or resignation of Musharaf or elevation of any other individual or faction to power. Aggravating the problems of statehood is the transition in the international system that started with the end of Cold War and collapse of Soveit Union and seems to be lasting ahead into the second or third decade of the 21st Century until another phase of stability emerges. This transition manifested through the changes that took place in the Middle East, Baltics, and Balkans (where zone of influence were redefined and demarcation lines redrawn) and are now occuring in Central-South Asia.

It cannot be predicted with certainty what status would the major world players like to assign to Pakistan in the new international system and how much is Pakistan able to influence the future to enhance its role and stability.

Let us get to serious discussion. What future scenario can you envisage regarding Pakistan.

Scenario I

Year 2012 Problems of Pakistan have become more complex and formidable. Talebanization, lawlessness, and ethnic conflicts have risen even more. Economic situation has further aggravated. Inflation, price-hike, lack of public amenties have taken their toll on the masses.

Year 2016 Situation of law and order has worsened such that only Punjab is manageable. Economy and governing structures have collapsed.

Year 2020 Pakistan as a state has ceased to exist or function.

Scenario II

Pakistan has significantly been transformed with the power of army and other security organs reduced. Talebanization has been reversed and terrorist networks defeated and eliminated. significant autonomy has been granted to federating units and Durand Lind has been internationally recognized to be a permanent border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Pakistan has been successfully integrated in the regional economic system and has become a part of a regional security arrangement in which India plays the leading role.

There are permanent NATO/US basis in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Scenario III

NATO/US forces have pulled out of Afghanistan, which has disintegrated into a southern and northern part. The southern part of Afghanistan has merged with Pakistan and a Sino-Pakistan-Arab-Iran-Russo alliance has emerged. Western influence in the Middle East has declined.

Which senario do you - the Gupshup forum members -think is likely and what can be alternative scenario?

Scenario II will be likely. At least I hope so.

It depends on when US awam gets tired of "war against terror" and realizes the terror spread by the war itself. If US/coalition withdraw from Afghanistan in next 2-3 years it will definitely destroy/disintegrate Afghanistan, how it affects Pakistan is dependent on how our think tanks respond (ISI/military action). But there are slim chances of any troop withdrawal from Afghanistan anytime soon, so the chaos will spread wider and threatens Pakistan's existence (as compared to what it is today).

Durand line recognition is highly unlikely, keeping mind US's ever increasing support for Karzai and Afghanistan. Bigger plans are pushing Pakistan to give away some parts to change the map, may God fail their plans.

US/coalition are not likely to withdraw anytime soon, atleast till US awam gets tired of the "war against terror". Unless anything else like Georgia conflict flares up and gets the "priority" and attention the troops are there atleast for a decade and will result in spread of anarchy and chaos.

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Thanks Ihtisab and Sherdil for response.

Few things are indicators of the shape of things to come. Globally, West-centered political and security structures and alliances have rather strengthened. If we look at European Union, it is more cohesive, expanded, and stronger compared to what it was two decades before. Similarly, many countries in Baltics, Balkan, and other regions of East Europe are its new members today. US has been able to stabalize Iraq to a degree.

As for Central-South Asia, it seems India, Afghanistan, and US/NATO are moving closer to each other. US/NATO retreat from Afghanistan would also weaken its position in other regions. On the contrary, there are news that NATO/US would increase the strength of Afghan army to 1,50,000 over the coming half a decade, which would cost some 20 billions dollars.

So now we have this formidable alliance of US, EU, India, Japan, Australia, Korea, and Taiwan, etc. Arab world although resentful of Western domination doesn't have any worthwhile political or military movement to resists US as it had during Cold War era (Jamal Nasar, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.).

Africa and Latin America seems to be subsumed with themselves though there are small pocekts of resistence (Sudan, Zimbabway, Venzvilla, etc.).

It doesn't seem China or Russia are going to counter US, NATO, Japan, India, etc. globally any time soon although they would safegaurd their genuine interests in their immediate neighbourhoods e.g. Euroasia, Far East, and Southeast Asia. Added to this is the general consensus among major powers over terrorism and the tendency towards greater commerce and trade relations.

What role would Pakistan expect in the new international system especially vis-e'-vis India? The problem is, Pakistan today has this image of an irresponsible and politically volatile state suspected to be harbouring terrorists and engaged in nuclear prolifiration(in the past). Contrary to India, it has an ailing economy and governing system.

So expecting that it would assume a role in regional economy and security at par with India is unrealistic.

Personally I think scenario II is more likely. Scenario I would lead to further anarchy and instability increasingly becoming difficult for the global powers to manage. Further, unlike the Cold War era and with Al-Qaueda defeated/routed, it would be asked to focus on its economic and political problems instead of acquiring military power (which was a necessity of Cold War era in which Pakistan had to act as a bulwark against communist expansion---ideologically as well). Even scenario II would require formidable efforts looking at political, ethnic, and ideological schism in Pakistani society.

Scenario III is unlikely.

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One thing you are actively discounting are the China factor and the situation in Iran. Those two play a very big role in whether we are next on the hit list or a target in 20 years.

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Phoolo se khilta aangan hoga
Rhim jim barasta sawan hoga

I am not discounting China and Iran factors. As for China, it seems to have some long-run goals and is not ready (at least before 2015-2020) to take on the West either politically or militarilty on a broader scale ( global or broader regional scale). Its strategy is best couched in the thoughtfully devised phrase like "peaceful rise" to power.

Further, Bush is on record to have said that Pakistan would be more difficult for the next president to manage than Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Other American leaders like Obama and McCain have said they would shift focus from Iraq to Afghanistan and Pakistan. The way the Western media is projecting the terrirost threat from Pakistan-Afghanistan tribal region to the West indicates this area is primary focuss.

Iran is a problem but it seems unlikely there would be a war between West and Iran. It is likely though that Iran and West find some compromise solution to the issue of Iran's status and security in ME and Western sensivity to the emergence of an Islamic nuclear power in the Gulf region.

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See there I would really disagree. I have seen personally how much the Chinese depend on Pakistan and vice versa in the international political scene. Be it at the WTO or the UN. Additionally the fact that Pakistan becomes a US "protectorate" means that China loses a strong ally and has 3 neighbors which do not look on it with friendly eyes. The US Afghanistan, India and a defunct Pakistan.

This also provides the US with a launching pad for covert operations in Tibet and other areas of China.

It would be appreciated if you post some more info on that, I for one would love to read it. Thanks in advance.

Great post.
I hope for Scenerio II, but fear I is our current course. There is just so little good news from anything relating to Pakistan these days.

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Scenario IV: A huge meteor of size 10x10 miles hits (hitting time unknown) the planet earth and life ceases to exist… :k: :slight_smile:

You may be right. But it seems as China is focussing on the modernization of its insititutions and consolidation of its economy and doesn't want to assume the role of a rival super-power in the foreseeble future because that would jeoperdise its development. USA, Japan, etc. are today its major trading partners. I don't see any strong China backing of Pakistan on Kashmir, Afghanistan, or other issues.

It sounds as if it isn't much interested in the Northern Areas as the energy corridor for China.

China is also in disgreement with Russia on Central Asia where Russia wants blocking the entry of US.

US can also launch covert operations from Wah Khan corridor of Afghanistan if it wants that. I think US is using Tibet, Sinking, etc. as just pressure tools.

:slight_smile:…Think Positive Gentlemen…and No Offence to our Indian friends…

Here is the Future Pakistan…Scenario IV…:smiley:

You asked it…You Got It…:biggthumb

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Bilawal zardari will become the youngest prime minister of any nation in 5 years. His name will be in the guinness book of world records.

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The Destabilization of Pakistan

by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has created conditions which contribute to the ongoing destabilization and fragmentation of Pakistan as a Nation. The process of US sponsored “regime change”, which normally consists in the re-formation of a fresh proxy government under new leaders has been broken. Discredited in the eyes of Pakistani public opinion, General Pervez Musharaf cannot remain in the seat of political power. But at the same time, the fake elections supported by the “international community” scheduled for January 2008, even if they were to be carried out, would not be accepted as legitimate, thereby creating a political impasse.
There are indications that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto was anticipated by US officials:
"It has been known for months that the Bush-Cheney administration and its allies have been maneuvering to strengthen their political control of Pakistan, paving the way for the expansion and deepening of the “war on terrorism” across the region.
Various American destabilization plans, known for months by officials and analysts, proposed the toppling of Pakistan’s military…
The assassination of Bhutto appears to have been anticipated. There were even reports of “chatter” among US officials about the possible assassinations of either Pervez Musharraf or Benazir Bhutto, well before the actual attempts took place. (Larry Chin, Global Research, 29 December 2007)
Political Impasse
“Regime change” with a view to ensuring continuity under military rule is no longer the main thrust of US foreign policy. The regime of Pervez Musharraf cannot prevail. Washington’s foreign policy course is to actively promote the political fragmentation and balkanization of Pakistan as a nation.
A new political leadership is anticipated but in all likelihood it will take on a very different shape, in relation to previous US sponsored regimes. One can expect that Washington will push for a compliant political leadership, with no commitment to the national interest, a leadership which will serve US imperial interests, while concurrently contributing under the disguise of “decentralization”, to the weakening of the central government and the fracture of Pakistan’s fragile federal structure.
The political impasse is deliberate. It is part of an evolving US foreign policy agenda, which favors disruption and disarray in the structures of the Pakistani State. Indirect rule by the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus is to be replaced by more direct forms of US interference, including an expanded US military presence inside Pakistan.

This expanded military presence is also dictated by the Middle East-Central Asia geopolitical situation and Washington’s ongoing plans to extend the Middle East war to a much broader area.
The US has several military bases in Pakistan. It controls the country’s air space. According to a recent report: “U.S. Special Forces are expected to vastly expand their presence in Pakistan, as part of an effort to train and support indigenous counter-insurgency forces and clandestine counterterrorism units” (William Arkin, Washington Post, December 2007).
The official justification and pretext for an increased military presence in Pakistan is to extend the “war on terrorism”. Concurrently, to justify its counterrorism program, Washington is also beefing up its covert support to the “terrorists.”
The Balkanization of Pakistan
Already in 2005, a report by the US National Intelligence Council and the CIA forecast a “Yugoslav-like fate” for Pakistan “in a decade with the country riven by civil war, bloodshed and inter-provincial rivalries, as seen recently in Balochistan.” (Energy Compass, 2 March 2005). According to the NIC-CIA, Pakistan is slated to become a “failed state” by 2015, “as it would be affected by civil war, complete Talibanisation and struggle for control of its nuclear weapons”. (Quoted by former Pakistan High Commissioner to UK, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Times of India, 13 February 2005):
“Nascent democratic reforms will produce little change in the face of opposition from an entrenched political elite and radical Islamic parties. In a climate of continuing domestic turmoil, the Central government’s control probably will be reduced to the Punjabi heartland and the economic hub of Karachi,” the former diplomat quoted the NIC-CIA report as saying.
Expressing apprehension, Hasan asked, “are our military rulers working on a similar agenda or something that has been laid out for them in the various assessment reports over the years by the National Intelligence Council in joint collaboration with CIA?” (Ibid)
Continuity, characterized by the dominant role of the Pakistani military and intelligence has been scrapped in favor of political breakup and balkanization.

According to the NIC-CIA scenario, which Washington intends to carry out: “Pakistan will not recover easily from decades of political and economic mismanagement, divisive policies, lawlessness, corruption and ethnic friction,” (Ibid) .
The US course consists in fomenting social, ethnic and factional divisions and political fragmentation, including the territorial breakup of Pakistan. This course of action is also dictated by US war plans in relation to both Afghanistan and Iran.
This US agenda for Pakistan is similar to that applied throughout the broader Middle East Central Asian region. US strategy, supported by covert intelligence operations, consists in triggering ethnic and religious strife, abetting and financing secessionist movements while also weakening the institutions of the central government.
The broader objective is to fracture the Nation State and redraw the borders of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Pakistan’s Oil and Gas reserves

Pakistan’s extensive oil and gas reserves, largely located in Balochistan province, as well as its pipeline corridors are considered strategic by the Anglo-American alliance, requiring the concurrent militarization of Pakistani territory.
Balochistan comprises more than 40 percent of Pakistan’s land mass, possesses important reserves of oil and natural gas as well as extensive mineral resources.
The Iran-India pipeline corridor is slated to transit through Balochistan. Balochistan also possesses a deap sea port largely financed by China located at Gwadar, on the Arabian Sea, not far from the Straits of Hormuz where 30 % of the world’s daily oil supply moves by ship or pipeline. (Asia News.it, 29 December 2007)
Pakistan has an estimated 25.1 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves of which 19 trillion are located in Balochistan. Among foreign oil and gas contractors in Balochistan are BP, Italy’s ENI, Austria’s OMV, and Australia’s BHP. It is worth noting that Pakistan’s State oil and gas companies, including PPL which has the largest stake in the Sui oil fields of Balochistan are up for privatization under IMF-World Bank supervision.
According to the Oil and Gas Journal (OGJ), Pakistan had proven oil reserves of 300 million barrels, most of which are located in Balochistan. Other estimates place Balochistan oil reserves at an estimated six trillion barrels of oil reserves both on-shore and off-shore (Environment News Service, 27 October 2006) .
**Covert Support to Balochistan Separatists

**Balochistan’s strategic energy reserves have a bearing on the separatist agenda. Following a familiar pattern, there are indications that the Baloch insurgency is being supported and abetted by Britain and the US.

The Baloch national resistance movement dates back to the late 1940s, when Balochistan was invaded by Pakistan. In the current geopolitical context, the separatist movement is in the process of being hijacked by foreign powers.
British intelligence is allegedly providing covert support to Balochistan separatists (which from the outset have been repressed by Pakistan’s military). In June 2006, Pakistan’s Senate Committee on Defence accused British intelligence of “abetting the insurgency in the province bordering Iran” [Balochistan]..(Press Trust of India, 9 August 2006). Ten British MPs were involved in a closed door session of the Senate Committee on Defence regarding the alleged support of Britain’s Secret Service to Baloch separatists (Ibid). Also of relevance are reports of CIA and Mossad support to Baloch rebels in Iran and Southern Afghanistan.

It would appear that Britain and the US are supporting both sides. The US is providing American F-16 jets to the Pakistani military, which are being used to bomb Baloch villages in Balochistan. Meanwhile, British alleged covert support to the separatist movement (according to the Pakistani Senate Committee) contributes to weakening the central government.

The stated purpose of US counter-terrorism is to provide covert support as well as as training to “Liberation Armies” ultimately with a view to destabilizing sovereign governments. In Kosovo, the training of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in the 1990s had been entrusted to a private mercenary company, Military Professional Resources Inc (MPRI), on contract to the Pentagon.

The BLA bears a canny resemblance to Kosovo’s KLA, which was financed by the drug trade and supported by the CIA and Germany’s Bundes Nachrichten Dienst (BND).

The BLA emerged shortly after the 1999 military coup. It has no tangible links to the Baloch resistance movement, which developed since the late 1940s. An aura of mystery surrounds the leadership of the BLA.

Washington favors the creation of a “Greater Balochistan” which would integrate the Baloch areas of Pakistan with those of Iran and possibly the Southern tip of Afghanistan (See Map above), thereby leading to a process of political fracturing in both Iran and Pakistan.
“The US is using Balochi nationalism for staging an insurgency inside Iran’s Sistan-Balochistan province. The ‘war on terror’ in Afghanistan gives a useful political backdrop for the ascendancy of Balochi militancy” (See Global Research, 6 March 2007)](US ally Musharraf in a tangle over Iran - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization).
Military scholar Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters writing in the June 2006 issue of The Armed Forces Journal, suggests, in no uncertain terms that Pakistan should be broken up, leading to the formation of a separate country: “Greater Balochistan” or “Free Balochistan” (see Map below). The latter would incorporate the Pakistani and Iranian Baloch provinces into a single political entity.
In turn, according to Peters, Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province (NWFP) should be incorporated into Afghanistan “because of its linguistic and ethnic affinity”. This proposed fragmentation, which broadly reflects US foreign policy, would reduce Pakistani territory to approximately 50 percent of its present land area. (See map). Pakistan would also loose a large part of its coastline on the Arabian Sea.
Although the map does not officially reflect Pentagon doctrine, it has been used in a training program at NATO’s Defense College for senior military officers. This map, as well as other similar maps, have most probably been used at the National War Academy as well as in military planning circles. (See Mahdi D. Nazemroaya, Global Research, 18 November 2006)
“Lieutenant-Colonel Peters was last posted, before he retired to the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, within the U.S. Defence Department, and has been one of the Pentagon’s foremost authors with numerous essays on strategy for military journals and U.S. foreign policy.” (Ibid)

I love this senario…Lets us hope for the best…I agree with 100% think positive…

You mean Pakistan expands and conquers India as well?

What "any nation"?

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This is a good interview. It has four episodes. I am posting only the first episode.

:)................Koi conquer monker nahi..............sirf wapis lay layn gay jo Brits nay lay lia tha............:)