Pakistan 2020: Futuristic Scenarios

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QUETTA, Aug 14: Balochistan Chief Minister Nawab Mohammad Aslam Raisani has said that the Constitution needs to be radically amended to steer the country out of the constitutional and political crisis it is facing.

Addressing the Independence Day flag-hoisting ceremony at the Balochistan assembly on Thursday, he said: “It is high time that sanity prevails. If we want to live like one nation we must overhaul our behaviour and conduct.”

He reiterated his demand for a new social contract on the basis of the Pakistan Resolution of 1940. The people of Balochistan demanded their constitutional, political and economic rights, including control over their resources, but the rulers used brutal force to crush them.

He said it was unfortunate that some influential sections of the society had refused to learn any lesson from the past and still believed that brute force could solve problems.

The chief minister said injustices done to the smaller provinces and the usurpation of their resources had engendered a sense of deprivation among the people.

He said that excessive use of force and the stubborn attitude of the authorities were the main reasons behind the prevailing unrest in the province.

He said that in the 1973 Constitution, the rights of “all federating units were accepted, their equal rights were guaranteed and it was agreed that all powers would be devolved to the provinces within 10 years. But a dictator abrogated the Constitution”.

Nawab Raisani said the Constitution had been repeatedly amended depriving the small provinces of their rights.

Raisani blames use of brute force for unrest -DAWN - Top Stories; August 15, 2008

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I think China will not rise based on any military doctrine. They are headed on a steady course to ecnonomically enslave other countries. US is on a course to loose economic acsendency. The west will counter through military means in the next few decades wherever possible as will Russia. it is becoming quite apparent. Pakistan is going to be taught a lesson by US in most probability and the end-game of that is not known but could very well change the geographical boundaries of Pakistan or definitely make Pakistan militarily less potent and much more well-behaved with a clear foreign policy doctrine. I also think US is going to force Pakistan into reconciliation with India in the future someday. They are building a whole block of south-asian allied countries alongside with them whether they have to do it by economic tempting or military brute force. What I see is a transition period in which there will be many polarizations i.e. of religous, military and ecnonomic nature after which we are headed towards a bipolar world in a couple of decades with economic interests at the center of each blocks policy.

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Last year the trade between US and China grew by $387 billons. Furthermore, China is the second largest holder of US-govt issued treasury bills after Japan and therefore a key creditor of indebted US. China has also bought huge assets in US. It is all determined to become the foremost economic power in 21st Century with reasonable miltary deternce to protect its interests, especially in Far East and Southeast Asia but in no mood to counter US on a global scale before it achieves its economic objectives.

US is there to saty as the only super power at least for the next two-decades and togethor with its allies (EU, Canada, Isreal, India, Australia, Japan, Korea, etc.) to influnce and shape politics in different regions. Two-three decades down the road, we may expect a new balance of power (and a stable international order) with multiple world-power centers in Europe, North America, Far East, Russia, etc.

I agree on this that the least the US and West would like of Pakistan is to reform its policy with regard to Afghanistan, India, and terrorism issues and accept a limited military capacity instead of aspiring a leading "Islamic" military power status for its self.

In 19th Century great power politics, they used to call Ottoman Empire the sick man of Europe and were intent of tearing it apart but delayed it until the WW I due to an aggressive Russia seeking to expand its influence in Balkans and Caspian region to which the Ottoman Empire was a bulwark.

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One drama that took place was the recent Georgia-Russia war. Georgia and Russia have signed truce but Georgia has quited CIS and is ow shelving ambitions to join NATO due to US and NATO reluctance and strong Russian reservations. It seems Ukraine and Georgia would remain strongly allied with the West but without NATO member status. So the dust settled down in East Europe, the next points of focuss are Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

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May be in the coming decade we may see the expansion of Security Council with Japan, Germony, India, Brazil, and possibly South Africa given permanent members status. We may also see the expansion of G-8 to include China and India, and possibly Brazil.

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Scenario I : Very likely if we don't take any drastic steps now.

**Scenario II: **Yes, but no permanent NATO/USA base in Pakistan

Scenario III: Very unlikely, GCC and Iran can't tolerate each other and Pakistan will never build a friendly relationship with Iran because of free/cheap oil from Saudi Arabia and help from other GCC countries. Our relationship with China has already deteriated, Ghaddari is going to sell Gwader to USA. There will be no Russian allience because our puppet leaders will never do that.

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History repeats itself. Why dont you see how far have you come in last 12 years. I doubt future would be any different.

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I bet pakistan won't change. Until those f********g politician are there these will b no progress. I'd say martial law was the best years Pakistan had. It should be like that.

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Now now not too fast, You don’t want to upset our Chinese friends :smiley:

Timepass / Uncle Ehsan's Baithak - August 2012
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How can we prevent this scenario?

and this.

http://www.bso-na.org/sitebuilder/images/Greater_Balochistan_Map-355x390.jpg

and this.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7834/loyafghanistanonly1al.gif

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We should not ignore this scenario. Many bad eyes are on our country. However we should also not give more consideration than what is absolutely necessary.

  1. For a moment let's forget about Pakistan and see what this map says about Iran and Iraq. Just look at the proposed map and laugh at it. Iran gobbling up Iraq? hahahha.

Iran cannot gobble up Bhrain or kuwait let alone Iraq. So this canadian farmhouse filled with little dogs and cats do not know their tail from the head.

  1. Afghanistan gobbling up Pakistan. Again hahaha.

It will be the day when BRAVE Afghans turn into a formidable force to defend their own territory, let alone take over Pak areas.

Bunch of tribals lurnay aa gai. hahah.

some people are still living in Nadir shah's time.

  1. This professor Chossudovsky is a conspiracy nutjob not too far from chomsky. What's up with these socialist nuts and ....sky name?

  2. Just keep your head looking forward. Work hard in your adopted land and quit reading too much in to conspiracy theories.

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^ I don’t think they meant to say “x-country gobble up y-country to get new shape”, rather what the “coalition” powers will do to the country once they get full control of the region (which is very unlikely now :insha: )

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So the coalition forces will merge Iraq with Iran once they get full control of the region???? What kind of logic is that bro?

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The "theory" is that once war engulfs all areas they will throw in the idea of dividing the land per 'ethnicity' or 'sect' suggesting this is the root cause of people fighting each other and then divide accordingly.... something that was done after World War I ???

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E bro! go back and look at the map first. Iran and Iraq have been "combined" in that map. And that's just a fanciful imagination of someone sitting in a big comfy chair and not enough pencils to sharpen.

What you are saying is not given in the map then.

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2009 - Taliban win glorious victory over Pakistan Army which is backed by zionists, americans, and hindu. Pakistan and Afghanistan are united into one country.

2010 - Sharia law is enacted throughout Pakistan.

2011 - Preemptive nuclear attack launched against hindustan, followed up by ghazw raids. Hindustan is crushed. Green flag placed on red fort.

2012 - World declares war on Caliphate. dum dum dum........

2013 - World is defeated by Pakistani soldiers. Steven Spielberg captured and told to make movie on brave pakistan army, becomes number one smash hit.

2014 - Consolodation of globe under pakistan army. World is pay 5 trillion dollars in Jizya payments to state of pakistan annually. Slaves, property and other ghanimat redistributed to pakistani possession.

2015 - Every sunni pakistani has 2 million dollars, 100 slaves(80 right hand possessions, 20 workers), and five cars. Pakistan gdp per capita, 1 million dollars!

2016 - world is at peace.

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Can you elaborate on what I said does not exist on map?

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Very interesting Perspective LOD.

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I wonder why some people have so many (multiple) mental orgasms on the thought of breaking up Pakistan. Typically such lowlifes used to be socialists, and now they have been joined by their erstwhile Islamist brethren.

It is reality that Pakistanis live "far better" than their immediate neighbors. That is why some jealousy thing is working in these orgasmic thoughts too.

Think about this folks. Pakistani Urdu speaking live on average much much better than their cousins in UP and Bihar.

Pakistani Punjabis live way better than their brethren (ethnically) across the border. Heck East Punjabis aren't even allowed to have their own capital. And forget about big mansions and big cars and fancy schools. Indian Punjabis have to be content with meager living even though they are among the highest producing provinces in the Indian collection.

Pakistani Balochis need to learn a lesson from Iran how to treat Iranian Balochis. With all the oil and gas in Iran, the Balochis there, live in a much worse political and social setup.

Pakistani Sindhis cannot even dream of owning large tracts of land if they were across the border.

And forget about comparing Pakistani Pashtoons to their ethnic brothers across the border. I mean Afghan's have lost even the last iota of self respect. No government, no police, and no money. Occupied by Arabs or Europeans every ten years is the norm for Afghans.

And yet, this anti-Pakistan mental orgasm goes on and on. May be these "frustrated" folks have no healthy channel to "express" themselves.

p.s. nothing against any particular poster. These are general thoughts on the thread itself.

People in the Uk....
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What about this Scenario?