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*Originally posted by Sher Shah: *
Ohhh pleeeeeeeeeeez man...this is comming from you? Entire Pakistan doesn't want anything to do with Hindustan or India. Maybe today the educated class has realized that all that is nothing but bull but the truth is that every one in Pakistan will either tell you that they are decendents of Afghan, Iranian, Turku, or Arab. For some it is true but for many it is not.

The answer is simple, the long lasting influnce of the Hindu cast system. This is why we had an upper tribe in Punjab recenlty raped a 17 year old Quran-e-Hafiz because her brother was in cahookz with a girl from there tribe. The decesion was made by the girls own tribe.

I have seen tones of arguments and fights between Mujahirs and Punjabis over this issue. The educated one are senseble though the majority really gets offened if you say a single word about their Indian roots. I'll give you another one, why on earth are the missiles called Ghori, Suri, and Abdali? Why not Ranjit, Hanuman, and Krishna? I dont see nothing wrong with that.

It is all about being more Muslim, being more central asain, being more Arab. And less as possible as a an Indian.

The Pakhtuns still have names that are not Arab or from Islamic culture, name me a few names that are Hindu/Indian by origin used by Pakistanis?
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I am not entire Pakistan. Nor do I belogn to any Punjabi caste system. I am a Muslim of Indian/Hindustani origin. And I am also not responsible for the pak army establishment (dominated by punjabis and pashtuns) and its obsession with thugs and invaders from the west. So, tell me something I don't know.

And as for the last names of mohajirs, many of us have muslim last names because Islam is part of our identity and that no one can deny. I am proud of my Indian roots and culture, my mother tongue, and my religion. Caste, tribal, or feudal systems are backwards pre-Islamic cultures for me.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
I am not entire Pakistan. Nor do I belogn to any Punjabi caste system. I am a Muslim of Indian/Hindustani origin. And I am also not responsible for the pak army establishment (dominated by punjabis and pashtuns) and its obsession with thugs and invaders from the west. So, tell me something I don't know.

And as for the last names of mohajirs, many of us have muslim last names because Islam is part of our identity and that no one can deny. I am proud of my Indian roots and culture, my mother tongue, and my religion. Caste, tribal, or feudal systems are backwards pre-Islamic cultures for me.
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I never said you are entire Pakistan; all I stated was a fact. I am glad you are proud of your Indian/Hindustani roots, though you have to admit, that you wouldn't admit that in front of an average Pakistani citizen. On top of that, since you have said that, I can guarantee you that many here have felt a sting in their hearts and might not look at you as the same. Some already don't as far as I know.

regards

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Sher shah, whenever I meet anyone from pakistan or india, and if they ask me about my roots, I always tell them my roots are the same as Indian Hindus and I am proud of the culture and civilization of Hindustan. This same culture that has been responsible for many of the advances in human thought throughout the world. It is nothing to be ashamed off.

And some people on this forum already have a sting in their hearts by my presence here. That's not new. You are right that Pakistanis have forgotten their roots and are searching for heros that are not their own.

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Imdad mian, please enlighten us with the heroes that we should be looking upto. Is Altaf Hussain one of them? Should we all join MQM or the new sting operation called Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz?

It is always punjabis fault, they dominate everything, they are corrupt, they kill, they maim, they loot etc etc....what do you think "your people" have been doing in Karachi for good part of last 25 years? Care to explain that.... Also, remember Punjabis are on top because creamalways rises to the top. :)

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Caste, tribal, or feudal systems are backwards pre-Islamic cultures for me.
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Imdad, Caste and tribal/feudal systems are not the same. Tribes have existed for millenia and create an organization of protection. I don't believe in one tribes "superiority" over an other..Whereas caste/feudal systems ARE created on the basis of superiority.

Anyway, I am glad to read that your proud of your roots. I do not see how your non Muslim ancestors make you any less of a Muslim right now. Arabs, Pakhtuns you name it, all had non Muslim ancestors. Let's cut this BS of foriegn ancestory..In my eyes you being a good Muslim
matters over your background.

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*Originally posted by Sher Shah: *

I never said you are entire Pakistan; all I stated was a fact. I am glad you are proud of your Indian/Hindustani roots, though you have to admit, that you wouldn't admit that in front of an average Pakistani citizen. On top of that, since you have said that, I can guarantee you that many here have felt a sting in their hearts and might not look at you as the same. Some already don't as far as I know.

regards
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That is also true. The other day, I met a South Indian Muslim from the state of Kerala. A decent fellow until he decided to bring up his "Turkish" anestory, I almost choked on my food, as I saw plenty of other Non Muslim Keraliites who looked just like him. This is just nonesense. If you see me as less of Muslim because of my background not because of my deeds, then forget anything else.

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
Imdad mian, please enlighten us with the heroes that we should be looking upto. Is Altaf Hussain one of them? Should we all join MQM or the new sting operation called Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz?

It is always punjabis fault, they dominate everything, they are corrupt, they kill, they maim, they loot etc etc....what do you think "your people" have been doing in Karachi for good part of last 25 years? Care to explain that.... Also, remember Punjabis are on top because creamalways rises to the top. :)
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Kaleem sahib, is it better to worship Ahmed Shah Abdali over Sir Syed Ahmed Khan?

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *

I didn't ask you too lose these traditions. I don't care one way or the other, but to falsely claim pashtun traditions as descended from Allah is just a bold faced lie. Allah also made the arabs as barbaric tribals before islam came. So does it mean He didn't what them to change? Some would say they still live in jahilah.

I am just amazed at the hypocrisy of afghans who considre themselves superior to the "hindunized" mohajirs etc., when they follow the same or more non islamic traditions then we do.

The second paragraph was not meant for you.
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Yes that is what you meant by that. and who the hell said that, i neva said it decends from God, it is GOD given now u cant deny that. we even if someone is living JAHILA that doesnt mean they are of nothing they could be smarter than the educated ppl sometimes.

tell me about the ISLAM that you people follow, man i know how it is viewed in your areas, no one fasts and no one even prays. i know that and its obvious that who are STRICT in ISLAM in ASIA. get it.

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*Originally posted by Sher Shah: *
Ashti

Do you want to know what Hindko Pathans are famous for? ;- )
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No actually I don’t, why don’t you enlighten me?

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Sher shah, whenever I meet anyone from pakistan or india, and if they ask me about my roots, I always tell them my roots are the same as Indian Hindus and I am proud of the culture and civilization of Hindustan. This same culture that has been responsible for many of the advances in human thought throughout the world. It is nothing to be ashamed off.

And some people on this forum already have a sting in their hearts by my presence here. That's not new. You are right that Pakistanis have forgotten their roots and are searching for heros that are not their own.
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Well i am very proud not to have any indian roots, any at all... I am All Pakistani thank god.

My parents :
Mom 1/2 English 1/2 Irani
Dad Full Pathan

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Why do roots matter so much anyway? It's your looks and personality which other people judge you by and your piety which Allah judges you by.

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*Originally posted by Enforcer: *

Well i am very proud not to have any indian roots, any at all... I am All Pakistani thank god.

My parents :
Mom 1/2 English 1/2 Irani
Dad Full Pathan
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What do you want for it? A Blue Peter badge?

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Here's one I made earlier.

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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
Yes that is what you meant by that. and who the hell said that, i neva said it decends from God, it is GOD given now u cant deny that. we even if someone is living JAHILA that doesnt mean they are of nothing they could be smarter than the educated ppl sometimes.

tell me about the ISLAM that you people follow, man i know how it is viewed in your areas, no one fasts and no one even prays. i know that and its obvious that who are STRICT in ISLAM in ASIA. get it.
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Did the Prophet(pbuh) come to pashtuns and tell you to make into different tribes and kill each other over petty disputes and put your women in homemade jails? Did Allah command you to consider yourselves superior because of your aryan blood? Or to become warlords and fight against your own people? Islam is just not some thing where you fast and pray and then afterwards commit the most heinous crimes or follow traditions completely against Islam. It is about humanity and viewing each other as equals, not separating people based on pre islamic caste or tribal system. It is about treating men and women as equals in front of Allah and practicing tolerance rather then vengeance.

So called honour killings are something unheard of among mohajirs, yet we are labeled the most hindunized and un Islamic of peoples. You can practice whatever traditions you want to, but do not point a finger at my people, or I will point ten fingers back at you.

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I have to ask you one question, why do you call yourself "Mohajir"?

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never mind dat, answer my question first.

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*Originally posted by Sher Shah: *
I have to ask you one question, why do you call yourself "Mohajir"?
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Because that is our identity in the context of Pakistan. In reality my identity is Hindustani Musalman or Indian Muslim if you will.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Because that is our identity in the context of Pakistan. In reality my identity is Hindustani Musalman or Indian Muslim if you will.
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So you do not idntify yourself with pakistan? If the answer is yes, then i believ you should take all the terrorist element of MQM and get the hell out and dont let the door hit you on the way out. This has been the problem with "Mohajirs", they never accepted pakistan as their home country. When someone asks me about my ethnic background, I always say pakistani.
My ancestors may have been hindu, and may hv migrated from India...but i was born in Pakistan and hence a Pakistani.

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Don't BS with me Kaleem. When did the oh so great muslims brothers of Pakistan accept us as Pakistanis? everywhere you go in Pakistan, some joker will ask you what your ethnicity is and if I reply with just "Pakistani" they will laugh at my face. If you can be proud of your punjabiyat, what the hell is your problem if I am proud of my hindustani heritage? Why should I deny it? That doesn't mean I'm not a Pakistani, but my ethnicity is not Sindhi or Punjabi, get it?

In reality if you don't have a group to call your own in Pakistan, you cannot get anything done. No such thing as just a "Pakistani".

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You guys should stop fighting and post some nice audio pieces in my Pashto Thread at Audio gallery :p