Pak Vs Aus

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Saby,

I don't think that Afridi or Razzaq bowled that badly today, just that their bowling was suited for Symonds and he was allowed to enjoy himself for too long against them. It needed Wasim or Shoaib to blast him out of there while he was still unsure of himself. If Afridi had got a chance to slog their change bowlers he'd probably have had a great time as well. Bad decision-making can make all the difference in a tight contest.
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I agree Waqar should have gone for kill by bringing shoaib back when wasim finished his first spell. Afriodi bowled one really bad over that gave them momentum 17 runs off that over. But Razzaq's pace has decreased alarmingly and thats a real worry.

wasim akram is the only consistent player in pakistani team.

I know all the facts has been well discussed here, I just wanna add here that its true that Pakistan can never get back a captain like Imran Khan it was just his ability and efforst that Pak has won the 96 worldcup.

Sari eid ka maza kharab kar diya Pakistan ki team ne match haar kar :smash:

Wasim is the team!

Waqar's action with Symonds was uncalled for, especially being a captain. First I thought Pakistan was very lucky in not facing Bevan, Lehmann, and Warne. Imagine had they played.. hmmmm

They need to play against Naimbia so they can get a morale boost.

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*Originally posted by saby: *

I agree Waqar should have gone for kill by bringing shoaib back when wasim finished his first spell. Afriodi bowled one really bad over that gave them momentum 17 runs off that over. But Razzaq's pace has decreased alarmingly and thats a real worry.
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Yeah I agree Saby. I wonder what happened to razzaq all of a sudden. Ever since he has come back from his injury, he hasn't been the same. As for Afridi, Pakistan should not have opened with him with both Salim Elahi and Taufeeq playing in the same match. For the next match, Saeed should open with Taufeeq or Elahi. Afridi should come in the middle order to play against bowlers like Harvey and Hogg. I hope Pakistan learn from their mistakes. But today just wasn't their day.

are you nuts man?afridi shold never be seen on the field for the rest of the cup unless he`s carrying towels and drinks for the players. he sucks.
he is just a slogger who doesent slog well.

pakistan has to play saeed anwar from the next game onwards - if he cant play then he should go home,saeed anwar opening with taufeeq umer.we should simply try and bat the first 15 overs without losing a wicket.

saeed bhai is a class player if he stays for 15 overs then run rate will always be good and then the lower order can hit out later on.

What a depressing watch...

Pak are simply outclassed by Australia although they played neatly today ..

you may continue with your detailed discussions now..just had to add..

ASSALAMOALIKUM :jhanda:

Bhooli Bisri what in the name of god are u talkin’ about below>>>>>>>

I know all the facts has been well discussed here, I just wanna add here that its true that Pakistan can never get back a captain like Imran Khan it was just his ability and efforst that Pak has won the 96 worldcup.

WE DIDN’T WIN THE WORLD CUP IN 1996 MATE IT WAS 1992 HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE, OHHHH MY GOD I JUST CAN’T BELIEVE YOU GOT THAT WRONG

:confused: :biggrin:

Dissappointed about the lost but not too dissappointed. It was a very good comeback from Wasim and Latif in the end to put Pakistan into a decent 2nd inning total, and plus this match is alot better than what we suffered back in Nairobi and WC 99 final, but at the end we still lost.

The batting shouldn't be blamed because there is no batting lineup in the world who can chase the score of 300+ against Australia.

It all went wrong after the 20th over, Pakistan were all set for bowling out Australia for under 200 just like Brisbane, but unlike Brisbane Waqar didn't bring back Shoaib to clean the bottom order.

Australia had Symonds, who was a new batsman at that time and wasn't settled and instead of bringing Shoaib we bring in Razzaq and Afridi who btw bowled horribly, eventhough it was a batsman's pitch, they should have kept it tight like Shoaib and Wasim did earlier on.

One partnership led to another and we gave a pinch hitter like Symonds an oppotunity to score a century against Afridi and Razzaq. Yes he blasted Shoaib, Wasim, and Waqar in the end but Afridi and Razzaq gave him bad deliveries to put him into form.

I think it was a good decision of bowling first by looking at the pitch and Waqar's prediction came true in the first 15 overs when all the Aussie top order collapsed. But definatly the bad decision was not to bring back Shoaib after the 20th over and didn't let Wasim bowl his first 10 overs in a single spell, I can guarentee he could have taken 2 more wickets.

Pakistan didn't have a chance of winning from the very first bowl of the innings, and once again Afridi proved to be a failiure by playing defensive, everytime he plays defensive he ends up giving a catch to the keeper but it was a very good delivery by Gillesppi, I don't completly blame Afridi for the loss.

Both Taufeeq and Elahi looked in good form, they started out slowly but got some good shots of Gillespie and McGrath, but both of them end up throwing their wickets away from 2 stupid shots.

I don't think bringing Saeed back would strengthen the batting. And both Elahi and Taufeeq should open for the next couple matches.

Coming back to the first inning, Waqar once again made a huge mistake by not playing 6 bowlers, specially 2 spinners and that caused us an over being deducted from the 2nd inning, but Saqlain should have played definatly with the expense of Taufeeq, Pakistan were too afraid about their weak batting lineup that they forgot to play 6 bowlers.

All in all it was dissappointing to see Pakistan lose specially being hit 144 runs by a pinch hitter and give 4 wickets away to a below avg player in Harvey.

Waqar is definatly blame for this loss because of his lousy team selection and his handling of the bowlers in the first half of the 1st inning.

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Saby,

I don't think that Afridi or Razzaq bowled that badly today, just that their bowling was suited for Symonds and he was allowed to enjoy himself for too long against them. It needed Wasim or Shoaib to blast him out of there while he was still unsure of himself. If Afridi had got a chance to slog their change bowlers he'd probably have had a great time as well. Bad decision-making can make all the difference in a tight contest.
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Damagh sahee hai? Did you see all the short deliveries he was throwing? I could swear the batsman was saying 'thank you for that' after hitting fours on them.

:rotato: Did you know he keeps files on everyone here at gupshup?

One more thing I would like to add about the match, Pakistani batsman should have batted the way Latif and Wasim batted at the end. Then Pak would have had a real chance of winning, specially Afridi, he shouldn't have played defensive.

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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *

I don't think bringing Saeed back would strengthen the batting. And both Elahi and Taufeeq should open for the next couple matches.
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Huh?

Come on, nothing personal against Anwar, he is a great batsman but bringing someone back who hasn't played cricket since september won't win any matches. If he is in form and played good in warm up matches than sure but the guy was struggling for runs against Holland.

We should still try out Anwar against weaker oppositions to see how he does. I mean he is there for a reason... I think he will play in the coming matches.

Spock: keep files???? of what

stupid comment umair

saeed anwar is a class player and he is the kind of batsman who will score against the top sides unlike afridi and younis khan and elahi who may get big scores in practice games but get out for ducks when it comes to the big games.

saeed is needed badly at the top and we also need azhar mahmood and saqlain in the team

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stupid comment umair

saeed anwar is a class player and he is the kind of batsman who will score against the top sides

saeed is needed badly at the top and we also need azhar mahmood and saqlain in the team
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for once i agree with you, we need Saeed definetely , replacing maybe Taufiq.

:( we lost!

Too many extras in the earlier part of the innings...was the reason behind our defeat. We were running short of the over rate, and to compensate, we had to stick with Younis Khan and Afridi, at a time when their lower order had been exposed. If we had brought in Akram and Waqar when Symonds had just come on....we might have been able to get him out.

Secondly...the pathetic desicion to field first. What was Waqar thinking. So what if they dont have Bevan and Lehman...they have many others to fill in for them.

Well alls not lost. We can still learn from this experience and come back in this tournamet hard.

Mian Sherlock...I kinda agree with Umair.

Can you recall when was the last time Saeed Anwar score a match winning innings. There's no doubt he's one of the most experienced and talented batsman out there...but the point he is past his peak, and is hugely out of match practice. What guarantee do you have that he will perform well. Atleast Taufeeq and Elahi are doing some scoring.

On the other hand Elahi played ok...he scored more than anyother specialist batsmen did in this match, and Taufeeq looked threatening too, before he got out to a mistimed pull.

But first of all get rid of Afridi, he is of no use against quality sides. He might work against India, but against the likes of Australia and South Africa, he is helpless. And they have to get Saqlain back. A specialist spinner is a must as we saw in this match.