Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
^ they shld have taken test as T20 and wud have scored more ....
agreed
or just puppets in bookies’ hands 
bachay kee jaan logay kia. What else you want from a kid, he played a superb innings where all of our seniors failed. If Pakistan team bundled up for 90 and 117 means there was something in bowling and pitch.
Bachay kee jaan to Australia yaa England main niklay geee... He played a remarkable innings,, I am not taking the credit off him, but this innings does not show the full talent or potential.
We declare any player to be like the super most hero ever produced by one or two sittings.....But after some times, we also pack the bags very soon.
Mohd Waseem, Wasti, Basit Ali, Asim Kamal, Yasir Hameed, and I dont know how many did very well , when they started but what happened afterwards is well know.
Payee, IPL could be toolaay bazeee was WC was different than IPL… what I was mentioning is that all these batsman played new ball very well in the WC, and now suddenly they are totally clueless with the new ball.. Malik, Akmal, Misbah.
Payee,,, IPL could be toolaay bazeee was WC was different than IPL... what I was mentioning is that all these batsman played new ball very well in the WC, and now suddenly they are totally clueless with the new ball.. Malik, Akmal, Misbah.
T20, ODI and Test match bowls are very different
T20, ODI and Test match bowls are very different
ooo wow... as if this was unknown so far... Balls being different, does not mean they are like 100 % different from each other...
anyways.. good luck Pakistan. take as much time as they need... but there is definitely something wrong in the team.... I have a feeling that Mohammad Yousuf could be upto something.. probably another conspiracy..
you mean they could be using square balls in one of the formats? 
come’on dude, difference you alread saw.
I think they all wanted Butt back in 
, Butt-less team 
Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
we shouldn't forget that Malik, and Akmal have opened a few times in test matches and I think both have made decent scores in their positions... also, MoYo has been remarkable in situations where the top order had collapsed.
So, I'm hesitant to pass the verdict that there's a problem with technique for playing the new ball with ALL the players. IMO, its a combination of lack of practice and a psychological problem with responsively adapting to new situations.
People can put it down to psychological problems, faulty technique or inability to play the new ball etc. but the fact of the matter is we don't play nearly as many test matches as the other established test nations and I am not just talking about the past 15 months in which we have played a mere 4 test matches!!
Traditionally England, Australia and India play more test matches (12-16 a year!!!) than the other nations but we don't even play as many matches as Sri Lanka. I think we play far too many one-dayers and that is the main reason why some of our batters lack discipline, temperament and patience to stay at the wicket in test matches.
As if we did not have enough problems already…
Qadir, Inzamam and Sarfraz smell factionalism in team…all of them blaming Shoaib Malik
But do they have a point? While there may be some truth to all this it is very easy to blame every defeat on factionalism and lack of team spirit and sweep real issues (psychological, lack of exposure to tests esp. over the last two years, failures against the new ball, lack of discipline, patience and test temperament among our batters etc.) under the carpet.
Ijaz Butt, the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, does not agree with many former Pakistan players that the team’s Test series defeat against Sri Lanka was caused by poor team spirit and an inability to cooperate with the captain, Younis Khan. Butt said it was too early to think of a change of captaincy, given that Younis took over a few months ago.
“There can be no chance of factionalism in the team as I believe Younis has good relations with seniors like Misbah-ul-Haq and others,” Butt said in Lahore. “It is not a joke to change the captain again and again.”
Three batting collapses over the two Tests contributed to Pakistan’s series defeat. In the first Test in Galle, Pakistan needed 97 to win with eight wickets in hand on the fourth day, only to lose by 50 runs. In the second match at the P Sara Oval in Colombo, they crashed to 90 all out after opting to bat first. After a commendable recovery in the second innings, the batting crumbled again as Pakistan lost their last nine wickets for 35 runs to be dismissed for 320, thereby setting Sri Lanka a less than challenging target of 171 in the fourth innings.
Former players, ranging from Abdul Qadir to Inzamam-ul-Haq, have blamed factionalism for the defeat. Qadir said the fault lay with the players for not cooperating with Younis.
**“When I resigned as chief selector, I am on record as saying that Shoaib Malik should be punished for letting captain Younis Khan down and I maintain that there is factionalism in the team,” Qadir told AFP. "What I said was on the basis of what I saw during the series against Australia in UAE two months ago and I said that seniors were not co-operating with Younis. **
“I said this before and I reiterate that the coach and manager’s reports of this Sri Lanka tour should be made public. Had the UAE series report been made public, things would have been sorted out by now.”
His opinions were echoed by Inzamam, the former captain. “The situation in the team is not good,” Inzamam said. “I can smell factionalism within the team and Younis is not doing his best to keep the team united, and that does not augur well for our cricket.”
Former fast bowler Sarfraz Nawaz, often an outspoken critic of Pakistan cricket, said the former captain Shoaib Malik should take responsibility. He also slammed Younis, despite Pakistan winning the ICC World Twenty20 in England under his captaincy less than a month ago. Younis said after the defeat that Pakistan had been caught short due to the lack of exposure to Tests over the last two years.
“Malik, along with four senior players, is doing politics,” Nawaz said. "Misbah-ul-Haq should be excluded from the team as he has failed and should be replaced by new players.
“Younis doesn’t have leadership qualities,” Nawaz said. “If a captain is not able to handle his players’ batting failures and comes out with lame excuses of playing less Test cricket, he doesn’t have the qualities of a good captain.”
http://www.cricinfo.com/slvpak2009/content/current/story/414506.html
Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
Qadir may have a point… what is Malik doing in the Test team anyway 
The collapse are neither ‘mental block’ nor wicket nor the new ball, there has something to do with the team chemistry.
Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
As a nation we have a mindset of attributing conspiracy theories to everything that happens in our midst, so why not cricket. Why cant we just accept, we played badly, we collapsed, SL played better cricket and they won. Why has it always have to be "we cant lose, must be some consipiracy". We need to get over this mindset. Why wasnt the factionalism and conspiracy there duirng the SF and finals of 20/20.
As a nation we have a mindset of attributing conspiracy theories to everything that happens in our midst, so why not cricket. Why cant we just accept, we played badly, we collapsed, SL played better cricket and they won. Why has it always have to be "we cant lose, must be some consipiracy". We need to get over this mindset. Why wasnt the factionalism and conspiracy there duirng the SF and finals of 20/20.
Agreed. It is probably a mixture of many things
But to be fair to Qadir he voiced his concerns about Shoaib Malik before T20 world cup and maybe we won despite the factionalism
If these guys has pronounced shuffle. then Fawad was like dancing here and there with some Thumkaa's as well.. if you know what I mean..
Yes, he indeed played a remarkable innings, but he is yet to be tested against a very good fast bowling attack on a very good wicket... If you would have seen start of the game today, he was struck on the head by a very slow bouncer, cause he had came so much forward to the bowl which was way too short..The next ball, he was standing more than two stumps of the leg stumps... So this is not a very good batting technique.
On the other hand,, I am just really confused on how suddenly Pakistani batsmen became so pathetic in their technique. They have just played pretty well in the T20 WC, mind you the ball remains new till the end of the 20th over of a T20., and now Malik, Misbah, Akmal, all are getting out very cheaply against the new ball against a not so very good attack. ( yeah they were good, but werent of highest standard).. No technique what so ever.. giving wickets so sheepishly.
I went to sleep in the night after seeing like 250 on the board, only thinking that when I wake up, Pakistan would have made some good progress some 500 odd runs and then SL will come into play, and when I woke up, had to face a horror.
Well as I said, I have not seen him bat. His youtube clippings looks decent to me.
But if he is capable of scoring 168 and his fellow more accomplished players scrores nothing, I guess he got to have something in him. Just because he shuffles does not make him a bad batsman.
As a nation we have a mindset of attributing conspiracy theories to everything that happens in our midst, so why not cricket. Why cant we just accept, we played badly, we collapsed, SL played better cricket and they won. Why has it always have to be "we cant lose, must be some consipiracy". We need to get over this mindset. Why wasnt the factionalism and conspiracy there duirng the SF and finals of 20/20.
Excellent point on using conspiracy / factionalism as an excuse.
Stuff will happen, even with the best of teams. That said, two comments:
Think Younis Khan's assessment is for the most part spot on. Sustained pressure over 5 days that you have in test matches is something else, and when you've not played a lot of test cricket recently, its not easy to get back into the groove.
Specific to the issue of batting collapses, saying that "this is Pakistan cricket" is not a good explanation, even if its a pakistani player saying it. May be the case with this team, but was not always the case. Every team has collapses of varying degrees at different times, but the ones that do the best are those that have at least a couple of players that absolutely hate to lose and will do anything possible to avoid losing. Miandad and Imran come to mind immediately from the teams from the 80s. For India, in the 80s, while there was a lot of "talent", and "technique", for the longest time, Gavaskar was the only one with this "khadoos"ness. Not suprisingly, he was often the only one standing in the way of a collapse. Similarly, in the 90's, for some time, the only one who visibly carried this trait was Tendulkar (guy was notorious for crying in the dressing room after a loss or after getting out). But because he was the only one, collapses were standard, until we got a few others who shared the same feeling. I dont profess to know this Pakistan team, but question would be who is the "Miandad" or "Imran" in the team (not from standpoint of talent, but in terms of having that same bitter hate of losing).
Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
Younis raised a valid point that they are lacking just about 20% (which is causing them crucial sessions). Its not like they have not been competing. The way they fought back after being bowled out for 90 is admirable. the collapse that followed was demoralizing but we mustn't forget that they dominated SL in first test and lost in one session. Same is the case in this test. They came back and dominated Lankans but lost in one mad session. They need to ensure that once they are on top, relaxation or complacency does not creep in!
continuous cricket should rectify majority of such issues.
I dont buy the factionalism/booking theories. Our nation has such stupid notions at times. I echo Ehsan's statements here.
Younis raised a valid point that they are lacking just about 20% (which is causing them crucial sessions). Its not like they have not been competing. The way they fought back after being bowled out for 90 is admirable. the collapse that followed was demoralizing but we mustn't forget that they dominated SL in first test and lost in one session. Same is the case in this test. They came back and dominated Lankans but lost in one mad session. They need to ensure that once they are on top, relaxation or complacency does not creep in!
continuous cricket should rectify majority of such issues.
I dont buy the factionalism/booking theories. Our nation has such stupid notions at times. I echo Ehsan's statements here.
Test 2 was opposite of Test 1, in Test 1 Pakistani team dominated for most of the match except last day but in Test 2 it was Lankans who dominated mostly.
Re: Pak V SL - 2nd test
These sessions days win can be soilace but ultimately test cricket averages out these litle battles and final victory goes to the better side
Except that this time while Inzi and Sarfraz (don't give 2 cents about his views) are largely assuming things, Qadir is specifically accusing Shoaib Malik on the basis of what he saw in UAE 2 months ago and unless Malik breaks his silence and comes clean on the issue (I know he maybe bound by his contract), I have no reason to believe that Qadir is lying
And while factionalism may not be the main reason for the team's recent inexplicable collapses, it cannot be completely ruled out either
Except that this time while Inzi and Sarfraz (don't give 2 cents about his views) are largely assuming things, Qadir is specifically accusing Shoaib Malik on the basis of what he saw in UAE 2 months ago and unless Malik breaks his silence and comes clean on the issue (I know he maybe bound by his contract), I have no reason to assume that Qadir is lying
And while fractionalism may not be the main reason for the team's recent inexplicable collapses, it cannot be completely ruled out either
those who followed T20 matches closely can tell that Malik's body language was very strange. It was obvious that he was not giving his 100% percent intentionally or unintentionally.