"Pak Studies" was taught in a very very biased way.

Pakistan Studies which was mandatory for all Metric and O’Level students, was taught in a really really biased manner. It basically covered the entire history of the subcontinent, going back to the Aryans invading Punjab.

The book taught us that all Hindu rulers were evil people who only cared about money and killing people. While all the Muslim rulers were benevolent rulers who only wanted peace and what was best for the people. The only exception was Akbar, whose only fault was that he made people bow down to him in his court. There were no “in the middle” cases, like good Hindu rulers and evil Muslim rulers. Every Muslim ruler was an example of goodness.

The Buddhist rulers were ok, but they soon succumbed to the evil effects of Hindu influence.

Qasim invaded sindh for 2 reasons; First one being that Raja Dahir was a “zaalim” ruler who was very mean to the Muslims. And second reason was that he had married his sister. The married his sister was especially emphasized because Muslims were the moral police back then and no one should marry sisters, only first cousins.

Gandhi was an evil man who was very full of himself and only cared about his well being. Everything he did was just a hoax and an “Act”. There was nothing good about him or his movement. So was Nehru.

well, it would be hard to breed new generations of hate-mongering mullahs if they are not fed crap like this.

so why dont you go live in your beloved india and leave pakistan and pakistanis alone.

TeenDabbyWala trying to show as if he is a Pakistani. Liar!

Whatever was taught to was for us and was excellent. What a sad state of affairs that now our enemies tell us with a big mouth that what we are taught is wrong. So much for the new Pak_India , Busharraf created love affair.

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I totally agree

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Pakistan Studies which was mandatory for all Metric and O'Level students, was taught in a really really biased manner. It basically covered the entire history of the subcontinent, going back to the Aryans invading Punjab.

The book taught us that all Hindu rulers were evil people who only cared about money and killing people. While all the Muslim rulers were benevolent rulers who only wanted peace and what was best for the people. The only exception was Akbar, whose only fault was that he made people bow down to him in his court. There were no "in the middle" cases, like good Hindu rulers and evil Muslim rulers. Every Muslim ruler was an example of goodness.

The Buddhist rulers were ok, but they soon succumbed to the evil effects of Hindu influence.

Qasim invaded sindh for 2 reasons; First one being that Raja Dahir was a "zaalim" ruler who was very mean to the Muslims. And second reason was that he had married his sister. The married his sister was especially emphasized because Muslims were the moral police back then and no one should marry sisters, only first cousins.

*Gandhi was an evil man who was very full of himself and only cared about his well being. Everything he did was just a hoax and an "Act". There was nothing good about him or his movement. So was Nehru. *
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I partially agree. These text book say that every individual and group who opposed pakistan, was evil. Which is totally wrong. Also gandhi and nehru were both same kind of cunning men. which is again wrong

Also there is whole chapter of Two nation theory, taught like parrot to students. But no explaination, why the two nation theory was cut into pieces in 1971.

^ 2 nations has nothing do between Seperation of 2 halves of Pakistan...It was more of a political struggle between Punjab in west Pakistan & East Bengal(Pakistan)...

Dude Dabbey

you should not expect Vandey Matram to be taught in Pak Studies

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^ 2 nations has nothing do between Seperation of 2 halves of Pakistan...It was more of a political struggle between Punjab in west Pakistan & East Bengal(Pakistan)...
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Thats what you say !

For world, Pakistan was a failed experiment which broke into half just after 23 years of existance.

We may bring any number of excuses, but fact will remain the same.

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Pakistan Studies which was mandatory for all Metric and O'Level students, was taught in a really really biased manner.
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Same thing goes on in India. In their curriculum Aurangzaib is shown as an evil guy because he didn’t welcome Hindus in his darbaar unlike other Mogul emperors. In Bangladesh Mati-ur-Rehman, the traitor who tried to Hijack Rashid Minhaas fighter jet is, taught as a national hero. Go figure.

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Same thing goes on in India. In their curriculum Aurangzaib is shown as an evil guy because he didn’t welcome Hindus in his darbaar unlike other Mogul emperors. In Bangladesh Mati-ur-Rehman, the traitor who tried to Hijack Rashid Minhaas fighter jet is, taught as a national hero. Go figure.
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The difference is that Indian textbooks do not say that Islam is a bad religion, your textbooks say Hinduism and basically any other religon that Islam is bad.

Indian textbooks do not force minorities to learn Hindu scriptures or recite holy books. Your textbooks do force non-Muslim kids to learn the Quran and introduce religion through other subjects.

Indian textbooks do not tell kids to do vioent jihad or glorify violence, or have the "learning of the glory of jihad" as one of the objectives. Yours do.

If you ever read Indian History textbooks, you'll find that they bend over backwards to present good sides of all religions. Aurangzeb comes out looking bad only when comparing to Akbar and other ancestors who were not as barabaric as Aurangzeb was to other religions. Akbar looks good because he was more tolerant than most Mughal Emperors.

i heard the south africans, as opposed to Pakistanis, honour gandhi greatly. not to mention indians themselves.

every country has a specific view of history that it presents to its school children teendabbaywalay. dont be surprised. americans brush under the carpet stories about american indians, to the british, the empire was a glorious era marked with minor 'revolts', to the indians, gujraat was a nice little game of hindu muslim cricket, to the pakistanis, 1971 happened because of stupid bengalis not playing along with the Supermen that were pakistanis.

most americans accept that american indians were disemboweled as a nation, british people i have no contact with, indians i guess range from daftly believing in made for tv gujraat to rational reasonable people who accept that india has a lot of sectarian problems and pakistanis know that 1971 happened because they were at fault and raja dahir was an ahole.

people do grow up and get out of school mentality u know. i suggest the rest of you do too.

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The difference is that Indian textbooks do not say that Islam is a bad religion, your textbooks say Hinduism and basically any other religon that Islam is bad.

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No it doesn’t. Pakistani textbooks never say that any religion other than Islam is bad.

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Indian textbooks do not force minorities to learn Hindu scriptures or recite holy books. Your textbooks do force non-Muslim kids to learn the Quran and introduce religion through other subjects.

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No they don’t. There were some Hindu students in my school and they were given exception from taking Quranic classes. There is no such law in Pakistan that will force non-muslims to learn Quran.

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Indian textbooks do not tell kids to do vioent jihad or glorify violence, or have the "learning of the glory of jihad" as one of the objectives. Yours do.

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No it doesn’t. There is not a single textbook that tells all that garbage you wrote above. We are talking about textbooks in schools not madrasahs.

So the moral of the story is don’t be talking sh!t about something if you don’t know. You never went to a Pakistani school. How the heck you know about that? You heard this crap and believed in it from other Islam haters.

even if the text books proclaim good things about islam so what? pakistan is ISLAMIC republic, so choke on that. we will proclaim islam and quran and your weak arguments cant hold out against us.

Agent smithji, You are happy that some hindus were given exception to study Quran in your school. What sense does it make?
Once Quran is a compulsory subject, let us say for Muslims, do you think that in Quran classes the teacher praises other religions? You are just lying that your teachers teach Islam without comparing it to other religions, and without criticizing other religions.
Islam, Quran can not be taught without comparison.

And history of Pakistan, how can they tell their school children that Gandhi and Nehru were good people, or Hindu rulers were cordial with public…it will jeopardize the entire reasoning of Pakistan.

I watch PTV news items and discussions for entertainment. Its commentators lie so much that only an idiot nation can node to them, and in your case something is really wrong.

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Once Quran is a compulsory subject, let us say for Muslims, do you think that in Quran classes the teacher praises other religions? You are just lying that your teachers teach Islam without comparing it to other religions, and without criticizing other religions.

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The only religion I remember being criticized was the pre-Islamic Arab religions. I'm not sure why u or anyone else wud have a probem with that considering it exists no more.

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And history of Pakistan, how can they tell their school children that Gandhi and Nehru were good people, or Hindu rulers were cordial with public…it will jeopardize the entire reasoning of Pakistan.

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In the same vain, how can Indian children be told the Quaid was a good man since it would justify the creation of Pakistan. As a side note, u dont seem to be fully aware of the 'reasoning for pakistan', but that just gives another indication of how Indian children are given a biased version of history.

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I watch PTV news items and discussions for entertainment. Its commentators lie so much that only an idiot nation can node to them, and in your case something is really wrong.
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rhetoric. dont even get me started on Indian newspaper-wannabe-tabloids and the Indian 'news' channels

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Agent Smith,

My reply here is going to make you look so bad, you know about the chullu bhar paani…:hehe:

Read this ->> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-3-2004_pg7_19

this ->> Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk

this ->> Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk

this ->> Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk

and

this ->> Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk

Some snippets


There is an integrated curriculum for classes I to III. To lessen the burden on young children, various disciplines are integrated into one textbook and it is compulsory reading for every child. This means that every child must study Islamiat, whatever its faith. All children are forced to memorize Qur’anic suras, the Kalimas, and to learn Islamic rituals like namaz and wuzu (prayers and ablutions) and saying Bismillah before meals, etc. This requirement violates a fundamental right of non-Muslim students


“He [as a Hindu] had only been taught never to have pity on Muslims, to always bother the neighbouring Muslims, to weaken them to the extent that they forget about freedom, and that it was better to finish the enemy off. He remembered that the Hindus tried to please their goddess Kali by slaughtering innocent people of other faiths at her feet…”

By no definition is this mere denigration. It is pure and simple creation of hate. And, this is just one of many specific quotations from the curriculum and textbooks given in the report. Now imagine a Pakistani Hindu student being forced to read this text. How can this not offend and alienate the child from our society and the country. Who would disagree that this amounts to subverting the society from within? Our report derives the title “The Subtle Subversion” from this realization.


The report deals specifically with three subjects: social studies or Pakistan studies, Urdu and English, which are compulsory for all students. It notes that though Islamiyat is not compulsory for non-Muslim students, they are taught it through other subjects. Many non-Muslim students end up taking Islamiyat anyway because they have the incentive of 25 percent extra marks.

“One may get an impression from these textbooks that Pakistan is for Muslims alone because Islamiyat is taught to all students whatever their faith, including a compulsory reading of the Holy Quran,” says the report.

It also says that the indoctrination of Pakistan’s ‘ideology’ creates hatred against Hindus and India and that students are urged to take part in jihad and die as martyrs.

“The process of equating Muslim and Pakistani identities starts at early stages of school education. For example, the most recent National Early Childhood Education (NECE) curriculum released in March 2002 stressed the need ‘to nurture in children a sense of an Islamic identity and pride in being Pakistanis.’ There is no mention that this is to be done among Muslim students alone. The suggested material under this objective is Islamiyat, that is to be read by students of all religions,” says the report.

The curricula for all the compulsory subjects require every Pakistani, irrespective of his or her faith, to love, respect, be proud of and practice Islamic principles, traditions, customs and rituals, says the report.

The report says the most recent Urdu textbooks in the Punjab and Islamabad have Islamic contents in the following proportion: four out of 25 lessons in Class I, eight out of 33 lessons in Class II, 23 out of 51 lessons in Class III, 10 out of 45 lessons in Class IV, seven out of 34 lessons in Class V, 14 out of 46 lessons in Class VI, 16 out of 53 lessons in Class VII, 15 out of 46 lessons in Class VIII and 10 out of 68 lessons in Class IX-X.

Similarly, Class III social studies textbooks have at least four chapters on personalities, which are invariably Muslim personalities. In Class III, the chapters are on the prophets Adam, Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon him); in Class IV, there are chapters on the prophet Muhammad (peace), Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Khadija; and in Class V, there are chapters on Hazrat Fatima, Muhammad Bin Qasim and Shah Waliullah. **“Thus all non-Muslim students in the mainstream education system are taught Islamic studies compulsorily,” says the report. **

**The curriculum also forces non-Muslim students to read the Quran, not in Islamiyat classes, but in Urdu classes. Urdu textbooks for classes I to III contain lessons on reading the Quran, which violates the rights of religious minorities and the Constitution, says the report. **

The report says that the phrase ‘Ideology of Pakistan’ had no historical basis in the Pakistan Movement. “It was coined much later by political forces which needed it to sanctify their brand of politics, especially by those who had earlier been against the creation of Pakistan. It is no wonder that the Jamaat-e-Islami and people akin to the politics of the Jamaat use this phrase excessively,” says the report.

The textbooks contain military heroes, narrations of battles in which the heroes had fought, narrations of the glorious victories and victors from the Islamic history, as well as poems urging Jihad.


Pakistani students are still being taught that “Hindus worship in temples which are narrow and dark places, where they worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In mosques, on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together” and that “the religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things. Hindus, who have been opportunist, cooperated with the English.” The post-1979 curriculum is also inundated with the concepts of ‘Jihad’ and ‘Shahadat’ (notions that are hard to find in the pre-1979 curricula).

The moral of the story is you are the one who doesn’t know anything. I can give you 2000 links from Pakistanis, with page numbers, test books, subjects and everything to show every one of my claims as correct.

How does it feel to be soooo wrong?

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even if the text books proclaim good things about islam so what? pakistan is ISLAMIC republic, so choke on that. we will proclaim islam and quran and your weak arguments cant hold out against us.
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So teach Quran and the glory of Islam to Muslims. Why do you force it on other faiths? Are you so unsure of your truth that you have to force others to accept such things?

Why bad mouth others?

Picard,

No one begrudges Pakistan's right to teach its own history to its children in the most positive light.

Teach your kids that Pakistan's founders including Jinnah wanted a separate homeland for Indian Muslims because they feared Hindu domination. By all means point out specific incidents that you think of were Congress' "treachery." Feel free to paint Pakistan's ideology as a legitimate one. All countries do that. Teach them about the good nature of Jinnah and his associates in the Muslim League.

But why the heck are you forcing your non-Muslim kids to learn the Quran? Why teach them that Hindus are by birth bad people? Do you believe that? Why teach them outright lies about history?

Who gains when you teach poison to kids?

Agent Smith,

Here are some more links for you about Pakistan’s non-madrassa text books:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-4-2004_pg3_6

http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=40376&SelectRegion=Central_Asia

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20040104.htm

talwaar ji,

wow someone took so much time to do some research. At least I gotta admire your determination to prove me wrong. The articles you have linked are bunch of modern and liberal atheist with Muslim names. I care less what they have to say. You think that posting their garbage you can prove your point? I believe what I saw with my own eyes and have experienced personally. I spent 14 years studying those textbooks and never found anything offensive about any country, culture or religion. So don’t buy all that crap you read from these morons. Go yourself and check it out. I know you won’t so stop posting that bunch of baloney.