PAK-NZ ODI Series 2004

Aamer Sohail, team management
at odds over selection matters

By our correspondent

KARACHI: Not for the first time Chief Selector Aamer Sohail and the Pakistan team management presently in New Zealand are at odds over selection matters.

‘The News’ has learnt that this time the problem has arisen because while the team management wants to send back batsmen Taufiq Umar and Asim Kamal before the one-day series starts on January 2, Sohail is insisting they remain with the team in New Zealand.

"As a result the one-day squad for the five matches has not yet been given final shape although Chief Executive Rameez Raja spoke to manager Haroon Rasheed on the issue and other related matters," a Board source said.

According to him Sohail and his fellow selectors feel sending back Kamal and Umar would serve no purpose as the one-day series lasts for only two weeks and it would be better if they remained with the team and part of the dressing room as this would also enable them to practice with the team on a daily basis.

While Taufiq has played in both Tests in Hamilton and Wellington, Kamal didn’t get a chance in either of the matches although he played in a side game.

However, the Pakistan team management has indicated it does not want to carry a squad of 17 players for the one-day series and would like to send back the two left-handed batsmen.

New Zealand announced their one-day squad on Monday.

The selectors had said that after the two Tests they would announce a separate squad for the one-day series deciding which player should remain and who should return.

Infact all-rounder Azhar Mahmood was slated to join the team for the one-dayers but he was later sent for the Test series also. The team management wants the following players for the one-day series.

Inzamam-ul-Haq, Imran Farhat, Yasir Hameed, Saleem Elahi, Yousuf Youhana, Younis Khan, Moin Khan, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, Shoaib Malik, Shoaib Akhtar, Muhammad Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, Umar Gul and Danish Kaneria.

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*Originally posted by pkpride1: *
Why don't u guys have taufeeq in ur player list, why are lookig at him as a test player...
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I think he was supposed to have a knee operation after the test series

All seventeen Pak players to stay in NZ for one-dayers

By our correspondent

KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has sorted out the differences between the Pakistan team management in New Zealand and the selection
committee with the decision that no player would be released for the one-day series in New Zealand.

A senior PCB official said that discussions had been held with the Pakistan team manager Haroon Rasheed, coach Javed Miandad and chief selector Aamer Sohail and the final decision reached is that the 17 players currently in New Zealand would remain there for the one-day series also.

“No player is returning home. The consensus is that the since the spirits in the Pakistan camp are very high and the boys are taking part in regular training and nets, it would be better
for all the players to remain with the touring squad,” the official said.

Problems had arisen after the Pakistan team management informed the Board they wanted to release Taufeeq Umar and Asim Kamal prior to the One-day series but chief selector Aamer Sohail felt it would be better if they remained with the team in New Zealand and trained with the rest of the players.

The official admitted that the board had spoken to both parties and than reached a decision.

“We didn’t want any unnecessary controversies and after
discussions the team management also agreed that no one should return from New Zealand and also felt it would be better not to break the spirit of the boys at this stage,” the official said.

The official said the Board’s only concern was that it should not get crowded in the touring squad in New Zealand for the One-day series and wanted assurance from the team management they could manage the 17 players.

“We took a decision only after getting the assurance from the team management,” he added.

Why do they want to send Taufeeq and Asim Kamal back? Taufeeq, OK, but why Kamal, he didn't even get a chance to play any test.

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*Originally posted by ehsan: *
Squad Stephen Fleming (capt), Craig Cumming, Hamish Marshall, Scott Styris, Craig McMillan, Andre Adams, Ian Butler, Chris Cairns, Jacob Oram, Brendon McCullum, Kyle Mills, Daniel Vettori, Daryl Tuffey.
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if open.. Craig Cumming will be a bunny of Shoaib in all 5 games - hell all of the New Zealanders are lol..

as being said 5-0 - Pakistan should look for whitewashed err.... you will never get a better chance than this!

My Team....

Imran farhat
taufeeq
hameed
Youhanna
inzi
shoaib malik
Razzaq/mehmood
Moin
shoaib
sami
shabbir

and our wicket keeper???:confused:

hahaha, can’t belive i left out moin…NO kamal with moin

So when is the match with wellington start? and will dish or other channel show it?

Don't worry, DISH is showing the whole tour, including one dayers.

First - Fourth games start at 6:00pm EST
Fifth starts at 8:00pm EST

Sum greater than whole

Sum greater than whole

Osman Samiuddin

December 31, 2003

Such is the fickleness of the game. Had it rained at Wellington on the final day of the second test, Inzamam-ul-Haq’s decision to head off the field the previous evening with only 28 runs required and inclement weather awaiting the following day, might have gone down as the worst decision in international cricket. Instead, the weather eased up just enough to allow Pakistan to romp home to a seven-wicket win, a 1-0 series win and all was forgotten.

Given the Houdini-like nature of victory, when defeat seemed inescapable on the fourth morning; given that it was achieved in testing conditions abroad; and given that it was a team that not many people in New Zealand would have recognised, this triumph should be judged alongside the best of Pakistan’s recent wins abroad – the '87 double over India and England or the '99 win over India. The series wins at home against Bangladesh had been scratchy, and the Multan thriller apart, not memorable. The series against South Africa finally saw some shape, and little steel, emerging within the team, but this series was always going to be the litmus test as far as progress since the World Cup was concerned.

The batting is alas acquiring, albeit slowly, a sense of responsibility. Nowhere was this more apparent than in the last test, where a testing target (and one never before achieved on the ground) was hunted down with a professionalism that suggested a familiarity with the pressures of a large run chase. It is far from solid and still prone to lapses, but Yasir Hameed’s continuing emergence suggests that the problematic, but essential, one-down puzzle may be unraveled soon enough. And although Hameed has yet to shrug off the chains of random impetuosity, his performances over the last six months hint at the arrival, not only of a quality batsman, but a stylish one. The openers struggled but logic of stability dictates that they must be persevered with for some time. Moin’s return has also helped, injecting some much-needed resolve in a longish tail, and the magnitude of his presence was exemplified by his fighting century at Hamilton.

But it is again to the bowling that we must turn for the biggest accolades. For all the theatre that Shoaib Akhtar, and to a lesser extent, Mohammad Sami provided with their own interpretations of the Hobbesian state of nature (where life is short, brutish and nasty), the real find, for Pakistan, was the gangly and unheralded Shabbir Ahmed. Atypical for a Pakistani pacer in that he doesn’t rely on pace, but instead on the relatively sober and unglamorous virtues of line, length and bounce, Shabbir has grown in stature with every outing over the last six months.

While genuine fast bowlers have been two a paisa over the last fifteen years, fast-medium bowlers willing to bowl into the wind, to a consistent line and length, strangle the run flow and pick up wickets have been harder to find. Aaqib Javed, briefly, and Ata-ur-Rehman, irregularly, plugged this gap, but neither had the awkward bounce which makes Shabbir special. Just as for every Brett Lee you must have a McGrath, Shabbir ensures that the occasionally erratic and often spectacular nature of his quicker counterparts is balanced out by his miserly, yet penetrative, efforts.

Shoaib and Sami have done everything except bowl well in tandem, as Wasim and Waqar did, but that too will come, as the younger partner becomes more consistent, and the older continues to mature as he is doing.

More than any individual part however, it is now the sum of the whole that is looking increasingly impressive for Pakistan. So often fractious and disjointed in the past, a young team, shed of the shadows of older players, is beginning to look like a unit. Crucially, the strength in depth, one of Aamer Sohail’s objectives, is looking rosy.

With Asim Kamal and Younis Khan backing up the middle order, Shoaib Malik, Umar Gul and Saqlain Mushtaq, Pakistan have the players and resources to give any team a fight. Inzamam’s captaincy (and the two words are not the natural bedfellows one would assume), is at an embryonic stage at the moment. He has seemed more comfortable than many might have imagined but has often tended to let a game drift. Happily, his batting has seemed unaffected by the added burdens. With the small matter of a series against India round the corner, the strength in depth, the unity, and Inzamam’s captaincy will be put to its severest test to date.

Sum greater than whole

The Game Responds:

   *How stupid is the team management? They are not going to include Taufeeq in the one dayers! I, personally, have never believed in separate one day and Test team crap(unless the top allrounder in your team is named Ian Harvey), and this Pakistani mentality of copying Goras in every sense just sickens me. Taufeeq is an international batsman; if he can make runs in Test freakin' cricket, then he can sure as hell do it in one dayers. Idiotic policy. Really. People, That Is All.*

we hav seen taufeeq in Sharjah cup.. he is just not a one day material… we dont have two separate team at all.. its just that sum ppls cant play in one day and sum in test..

just like they did with younish khan… he plays fast and give his wicket easily.. so offcourse we dont want him in test..

if sum1 plays well in test doenst mean we should include em in one day :halo: speically when u already seen em playin in ODI

Mahmood and Razzaq star in Pakistan win

scorecard:

http://www-usa.cricket.org/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/PAK_IN_NZ/SCORECARDS/PAK_WELL_01JAN2004.html

Umar, Kamal stay in New Zealand for one day series

KARACHI, Dec 31, 2003 (Reuters)

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Taufeeq Umar

Pakistan batsmen Taufeeq Umar and Asim Kamal will remain with the 17-man squad in New Zealand for the one-day series against the Black Caps to gain experience, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) said on Wednesday.

“The board has decided after consultations with the team management and selectors that all 17 players presently in New Zealand will remain there for the one-day series,” said PCB chief executive Rameez Raja.

“The team management has informed us that Taufeeq and Kamal are not in the starting line-up for the five one-day games and have been retained for experience sake,” he said.

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Asim Kamal
Pakistan beat New Zealand 5-0 in a recent one day series at home and then won the two-match test series 1-0 with a seven wicket victory in the second test in Wellington on Monday.

The first game of the five-match one-day series is on Saturday in Auckland.

Squad: Inzamam-ul-Haq (captain), Imran Farhat, Yasir Hameed, Yousuf Youhana, Younis Khan, Saleem Elahi, Shoaib Malik, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood, Moin Khan, Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, Umar Gul, Danish Kaneria, Taufeeq Umar, Asim Kamal.

© Reuters Limited.

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Chris Cairns has largely recovered from a
virus and will probably play tomorrow.

**This will be tough says Cairns **

Pakistan’s penchant for turning defence into blood-chilling counter-attack is looming as one of New Zealand’s biggest challenges in tomorrow’s opening one-dayer at Eden Park.

Not for the first time in recent seasons, the Pakistan side have demonstrated their ability to slip the noose just as the trapdoor is being released, and are doubtless shaping as a complicated problem for New Zealand’s strategists.

Not only do the tourists bring enterprising top-order batting and a much more useful lower-order into play, they have a bowling attack that defies contemporary trends and shows strength in places where others struggle.

All-rounder Chris Cairns said yesterday that one of the key elements of a successful New Zealand batting effort would be the ability to establish a healthy strike-rate in the early and middle stages of an innings before pacemen such as Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami returned to action.

Cairns, who has largely recovered from the virus that sidelined him for the second test and will probably play tomorrow, said it was important to recognise just what were the strengths of the Pakistan side.

“You need to maintain a pretty good strike-rate through the innings because bowling at the death is one of their strengths,” he said at Eden Park yesterday.

"As a batsman, you just have to accept that you’re unlikely to be as effective as you usually would in the closing stages.

“It’s pretty hard trying to hit 150km/h reverse-swinging yorkers all over the park, :jhanda: so maybe part of the solution for us is to make sure we bat well before the death stage.”

Pakistan have an impressive recent record against New Zealand in ODIs, having won 13 of the past 15 matches, including a 5-0 whitewash in last month’s series.

The captain for that series after the withdrawal of Stephen Fleming, Cairns said the other crucial aspect would be the ability to inflict damage on the Pakistan top-order batsmen.

Inzamam-ul-Haq’s side may have lost some of their most famous names, but the young guns at the top of the order had made a big impression, and have the security of a seasoned middle and lower support group.

“We need to take wickets at the top of the order,” Cairns said. "Pakistan’s main game-plan revolves around their young batsmen making a good start and getting them through to the 30 and 40-over mark with eight or nine wickets intact.

"They’re proving to be quite an accomplished side when you consider their recent record. They’ve lost some old stars, but have unearthed some good cricketers and I think they’re probably as destructive now as they’ve ever been, but with more discipline."

Cairns has been written off lately by some commentators, who suggest he has outlasted his use-by date and been usurped by the younger Jacob Oram.

However, he seems to be improving with game-time, a not-unnatural development for someone who has been sidelined for a while, and showed some good batting form in Pakistan, where he scored 176 quick-fire runs at an average of 44.

His bowling might have proved expensive, but the expectation is that the rhythm and timing should gradually return.

Far from being disheartened by the whitewash in Pakistan, he said the tour had proved a fruitful exercise, as demonstrated by the selection of Hamish Marshall and Craig Cumming in the squad for this series.

NZ Herald

*Adam Parore: * **In two minds **

New Zealand and Pakistan will take significantly different mindsets into the opening one-day international at Eden Park tomorrow - one buoyant and confident, the other with a degree of trepidation.

The events of the last few weeks will see to that.

It’s not just the crushing defeat Pakistan inflicted in the second test at the Basin Reserve. It’s also the fact that they cleaned out the Black Caps 5-0 in their ODI series in Pakistan last month that will be preying on New Zealand’s minds.

I know they were different conditions over there, but the fact is Pakistan have won six of the last seven games between the countries and also finished far stronger in the drawn first test in Hamilton.

They have outplayed New Zealand in every department, they will feel they have us well covered and will take huge momentum into the ODIs.

People will argue that the ODI series is a different ball game, that you can put behind the grim memories of Wellington and that series in Pakistan.

I don’t really go along with that. Sure, there are different faces in the squad. The injection of fresh players, who weren’t stung by the Basin Reserve hiding, will help, but remember they are largely the players who were done over in Pakistan.

I only have one query with the New Zealand selection, and that is Craig Cumming, who didn’t really fire in Pakistan. But coach John Bracewell probably reckons he needs to start somewhere - remembering this is his first ODI series at the helm - and he will want to see for himself what players are capable of.

The dropping of Lou Vincent and Chris Harris doesn’t surprise me.

Vincent looks a bit shattered. He took a pounding in the two tests and by the end was second guessing and missing straight balls. I’ve always felt that is a good indication a player needs to head for the beach for a couple of weeks and go back to the domestic competition to find his feet again.

As for Harry, the years are catching up on him. The game has changed and now batsmen have worked him out in a way they couldn’t 10 years ago. I can’t see a way back for him.

Watching Shoaib Akhtar slicing through the batting at the Basin Reserve on Monday brought back vivid memories. This is not the first time New Zealand have been undone by express Pakistani pace. Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis murdered us at times through the 1990s.

Waqar’s ability to reverse swing the ball created havoc - set aside his test record, he took 79 wickets in just 37 ODIs against us. Five times he took five or more wickets against us.

Now Akhtar has cleaned us out at least four times and we don’t seem to have any idea how to handle him. If he’d done it once you could say, ‘Well bowled’ and carry on.

"But he’s done it repeatedly and we seem none the wiser.

To be fair, trying to handle a reverse swinging yorker coming down at 150 clicks an hour is about the hardest thing in the game. From personal experience I can vouch that it is a fearsome sight for the batsmen.

Part of New Zealand’s problem in Wellington was a lack of real experience in the middle order. I suspect that had Chris Cairns and Nathan Astle been fit they would have had the know-how to stem that rush of wickets.

Take Scott Styris, who’s a good player. He tried to drive his first ball from Akhtar and had his poles spreadeagled. You can’t do that, but you need the experience to teach you that.

The only way to counter extreme pace combined with late swing is simply to take a survivalist attitude. You know Akhtar, or in earlier years Waqar, would be coming at you for 30-40 minutes. You simply have to dig in and guts it out.

Our best player of that bowling is Mark Richardson. But he’s long been discarded from the one-day side and I don’t have a real problem with that. Over time his weakness in the field would become a real issue and his domestic one-day record is not so outstanding that he demands another chance.

After Richardson our most capable batsman against the really quick stuff is probably Stephen Fleming. I wouldn’t say he handles it extremely well but he’s our leading batsman and we are talking about the hardest thing for batsmen to do in the game.

There are moves to get Akram out here to school up our players in how to play reverse swing. That’s fine, up to a point. You won’t learn how to do it in the academy at Lincoln. There’s only one way to get to grips with it and that’s out in the middle when the heat’s on.

Who should partner Fleming at the top of the order in the ODIs? Presumably Cumming will get another chance first, otherwise there’s no point in him being in the 13. But I think the selectors will consider giving wicketkeeper Brendon McCullum another opportunity.

He struggled when tried as an opener in Australia a couple of seasons ago, but that was his initiation into the side and it was a tall order. He’s a better player now and I wonder if the selectors might try and emulate the Adam Gilchrist model from Australia.

The pitch at Eden Park should be good. It’s a new strip and traditionally the ball does a bit early on in Auckland, but on the other hand it can become slower and lower by mid-way through the second innings. Does a captain back his batsmen early on or take a punt on not having to face a big chase?

After the events of Wellington, the thought of Akhtar charging in from the start might lean Fleming towards bowling first.

Either way New Zealand will be up against it from the start.

NZ Herald

:hehe: Thats funny but rather true… We should feel proud of this fact (but only on cricket field) :hehe:

**Pakistan bowlers rip through Wellington in tour match **

Pakistan’s pacemen conspired to cause a second Basin Reserve batting collapse in four days as they beat Wellington by 34 runs in their one-day cricket tour match here today.

Just days after Shoaib Akhtar ripped through New Zealand’s middle order in a test series-winning spell here, seasoned allrounders Azhar Mahmood and Abdul Razzaq repeated the lethal dose of reverse swing in their only shakedown for Saturday’s first one-day international at Auckland’s Eden Park.

Having set Wellington 259 to win on the same strip used for the second test, Mahmood and Razzaq sparked a collapse of six for 19 as they reduced Wellington from 192 for two in the 34th over to 224 all out off 44.1 overs.

Mahmood, in his first match of the tour, took four for 41 off 10 overs while Razzaq took four for 33 off 10.

Both generated sharp reverse swing with the old ball.

Wellington were cruising in their pursuit after unwanted New Zealand opener Chris Nevin and Grant Donaldson gave them a flying start against new ball duo Umar Gul and Shabbir Ahmed.

The pair added 91 off the first 14 overs in the absence of rested speedsters Akhtar and Mohammad Sami, with Donaldson cracking 47 off 46 balls.

Nevin, overlooked in favour of Craig Cumming for the one-day series, anchored the run chase with a typically hard-hit 80 off 109 balls, including seven fours.

But his dismissal in the 34th over, caught at cover by Younis Khan off Mahmood, sparked the collapse.

Mahmood had Matthew Bell and Matthew Walker caught behind in the same over before Razzaq uprooted James Franklin’s middle stump then removed Michael Parlane and Mayu Pasupati in the 39th over to make it 203 for eight.

**Pakistan coach Javed Miandad was in high spirits and predicted a tough job to select a team for Saturday’s match.

“It was very good preparation for the one-day international, there are several players in consideration like Younis Khan and Salim Elahi who both got runs,” he said.

“It’s very good if you have a party of 17 and they all are in form, it’s good for the team and you don’t have to worry about anybody. You can take a chance with anybody.” **

Miandad also rested captain Inzamam-ul-Haq and vice-captain Yousuf Youhana, with Moin Khan taking over the captaincy and snaring three catches.

Younis Khan led the way with the bat, scoring 63 off 78 balls to revive the innings from 128 for five, while the freescoring Salim Elahi scored 40 off 54 balls.

Wellington left-arm spinner Luke Woodcock, who was making his first class one-day debut, took four for 38 off 10 overs including the key early wickets of Imran Farhat and Elahi.

NZ Herald

this reverse swing thing will haunt New Zealander forever lol - this time the swingers were Razzaq and Mehmood - and Wellington side lost 6 wickets for just 9 runs after a positive start 192-2.