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i admit i might be wrong , but answer the question raised by me and others
if government fail to answer then that means that government is clearly involved in it
go and read above
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Security might be lose! None would have thought that a fanatic even wont spare a woman!
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^You are mistaken, fanatics mostly target soft spots.
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When state surrenders its responsibilities in the name of expediency, then anarcy prevails, fanatics rule and the nation suffers.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\02\22\story_22-2-2007_pg3_1
EDITORIAL: Demise of Gujranwala
A ‘religious fanatic’ murdered Punjab’s welfare minister, Zille Huma Usman, in broad daylight Tuesday as she was about to address an open session of her ‘meet-the-people’ pre-election routine at the Muslim League House in Gujranwala. The killer was Maulvi Sarwar and the press has tried to play down his heinous crime by calling him an ‘Islamist’.
In fact, the man is a stereotypical follower of the religious parties. He has serial-killed women in the past but was prevented from being punished by his powerful religio-political patrons. The fact also is that by Gujranwala standards, he was no fanatic, just a product of Gujranwala where the religious parties are strong and the city has contributed the largest number of youthful ‘martyrs’ to the earlier state-run jihad in Kashmir.
Maulvi Sarwar is supposed to have disapproved of women in public life. But this was not sticky personal matter. He was simply following the MMA manifesto against the inclusion of women’s special seats in the assemblies. (The deceased minister was inducted on one of these seats by the ruling party.)
If the religious alliance is not worried about the consequences of its ‘Islamic’ teachings, the rest of the nation should certainly be, because it gives the largest number of votes to a woman called Benazir Bhutto.
Minister Zille Huma Usman was only 37 and was dreaming of a life of freedom for the daughters of Gujranwala. She had organised the ‘marathon’ for them in 2005 in Gujranwala which was attacked by the local seminary aligned to the MMA. Unfortunately, far from challenging the seminary at the time and siding with Ms Huma, the provincial government had kowtowed and called off all ‘mixed marathons’ in the province which finally meant that girls stayed indoors.
The minister had received death threats for several months. Most probably they came after it was heard that she was planning another marathon for Gujranwala girls. Who were the people behind these threats? They were the same people who repeatedly saved the serial killer Maulvi Sarwar from being tried and hanged because “he was following his Islamic conscience” and cleansing the city of sin.
Let us take a look at this **Maulvi Sarwar. The man had earlier murdered seven women described in the press as ‘call girls’ in Gujranwala and Lahore. He was arrested once and confessed to killing the ‘sinful women’; he was let off after one year because of lack of evidence but, more accurately, because of religious support. His patrons, according to the police, had “paid off” the relatives of the killed and been reprieved under ‘Islamic’ laws. There is nothing new in this. Anybody who knows the decade of religious mayhem in Karachi knows how criminals are protected from punishment by powerful patrons.
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If our universities had not already been ‘conquered’ by the religious parties they could have done a sociological profile of Gujranwala as a city without a soul and a dangerous tendency towards punishing all kinds of ‘entertainers’, often with death. No one could imagine a decade ago that Gujranwala would become so violently Islamist in the future. No doubt it was becoming a wayside city that was growing by accretion without an intellectual mooring, more or less like Faisalabad that began well under the British but declined spiritually afterwards.
After General Zia ul Haq’s Islamisation, Gujranwala began to produce jihadis and turned inward, scrutinising its citizens for moral backslidings. It first turned on the minorities and produced the famous Salamat Masih Case, accusing an under-age Christian child of insulting the Holy Prophet (PBUH). A religious party attacked him and his co-accused in Lahore when they were coming to attend the High Court, killing one. Salamat Masih had to be sent out of Pakistan to save his life.
The second famous Gujranwala case was about a hafiz of Quran and amateur doctor who accidentally dropped his copy of the Holy Quran in the fire and was reported over the loudspeaker by a local cleric. His neighbours came out and burnt him alive. The rural nature of the population was expressed in the way the citizens mistook the word atai (quack doctor) applied to the victim over the loudspeaker, for asai (Christian). In other words, in Gujranwala one doesn’t have to check the facts before killing a non-Muslim!
Meanwhile, because of the atmosphere of extremism created by the clergy, some citizens like Maulvi Sarwar took to killing women they suspected of fahashi. Maulvi Sarwar began killing women in 2002 after listening to the most powerful cleric of the city (who shall remain unnamed) calling down the wrath of God on the entertainers that performed in the seven theatres of Gujranwala. He was not the only one who was inspired. The city’s police and the magistracy equally took part in ‘acts of piety’ by arresting actresses from the city theatres. Only Maulvi Sarwar went further than that.
**He turned a serial killer and first murdered two dancing girls of Gujranwala, but went scot-free because witnesses who had earlier deposed against him quickly recanted under threat or inducement. He was now wanted only in one case of injuring a dancing girl after an attempt to murder her. After that, he went around catching dancing girls outside cinema halls and theatres and hotels and shooting them to death. In each case he was let off because many powerful people seemed to actually enjoy or approve of what he was doing. The method was the same: witnesses either recanted or were made to recant.
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The politicians did nothing in Lahore. In fact one not-very-reputable politician of Gujranwala whose newly elected son was given the portfolio of culture complained to the chief minister that culture was a morally incorrect portfolio as it was not allowed by Islam!
Today the press has forgotten the dark past of the city that has killed a young minister who thought of bringing progress to it. While jihad was at its height in the 1990s, the state sacrificed the fourth largest city of Pakistan to ‘martyrdom’ in Kashmir. Now most cities of the country are becoming like Gujranwala. And the politician and the officer are still slumbering. *
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^Disgusting... This is why people demonize the Muslims.. Its hard to defend Muslims when you have barbaric animals such as these.
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Martians did it!!!
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Actually, that is also false otherwise we would not have maulvis using the loud speaker to make calls against Polio vaccination.
You want me to answer a conspiracy theory?:halo:
Yes, she was working for the good of the people of Pakistan. If the federal government did not care about the people of Pakistan then why has the development budget been increased as well as the education budget? Why are they efforts to improve life in Pakistan? Why are we improving infrastructure and building dams? The fact that you brought America into the equation proves that you are paranoid and you are not basing your conclusion on logic and facts.
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They already do this on their own without the help of the media or the government of Pakistan. Hint: The calls against the polio vaccination in which a doctor was killed trying to administer the vaccine.
Due to the lack of evidence…
How do you know it was a strict area? Were you at the event to be able to make that claim? Why would anyone look at him with suspicion in a crowd? How often do security forces check the crowd at these events for weapons?
I have just debunked the core of your entire conspiracy theory.
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the molvis teaching and preaching 'extreme' hate towards anyone else(ie women, west, non muslims) need to be redirected or imprisonned. i dont actually know for sure but was this type of preaching around before the soviet afghan invasion? i think not.
pakistanis living in foreign lands need to keep respect for elders including and especially molvis. its really a state to deal with problem as not all mullahs are like this. there is a problem and it does require a solution. im generally against people jumping on the anti mullah/molvi bandwagon. this is also to limit the problem from becoming a total crises in pakistan.
women are an important part of politics in any country, im a supporter of the reserved seats for women in the assembly.
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I must say the Editorial from daily times was really comprehensive on the subject.
The incident for me is an extension of common religious mentality, and how it percieves a woman, i.e. something to be controlled and dominated. The mentality that considers "sex" as a prime-crime and percieves all acts of woman as sexual. Such mentality cant see a women at a strong position, because for them woman is something to be dominated.
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^words,
Keeping in line with the forum regulations, kindly post the link to the Daily Times Editorial you quoted. Thanks.
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Its already been posted by another member, on the same thread, so i didn't wanted to repeat. You can find it, just scroll up your browser a few posts, Posted on Feb 22nd, 2007 by counterpoint.
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^Sorry and thanks, my bad, didnt notice in a hurry.
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Double agree! he should have been hanged till death after his first murder only.