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Which demands are you talking about here?
He wants immunity from arrest and prosecution for any crime for all citizen. After attacking and killing police, rangers and military personal, all citizen should be granted safe passage to their ancestral villages. :0
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He wants immunity from arrest and prosecution for any crime for all citizen. After attacking and killing police, rangers and military personal, all citizen should be granted safe passage to their ancestral villages. :0
If these are the demands "Hum Hain" is talking about then how about forgiving all politicians for their crimes like Altaf Hussein, Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif, all criminals currently in Pakistani jail etc???
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no that wasnt what i was refering to..
what’s the big deal with the safe passage? has it not been done earlier in pakistan? its nothing compared to the safe passage given to killers in karachi..
leaving the madrassas behind would have been a big enough punishment..
neways arguing over these things would not change what u think and believe in and what i do..
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okay, so what demand were you talking about?
whoa, you can’t see the big deal there? THAT is a big problem right there.
Nope, the punishment should be according to the law. I agree that killings in Karachi have gone unpunished, but unfortunately the killers are ‘hidden’ behind layers in that case while in this case killers/criminals were right there…
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If these are the demands "Hum Hain" is talking about then how about forgiving all politicians for their crimes like Altaf Hussein, Benazir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif, all criminals currently in Pakistani jail etc???
i can see a difference between the crimes committed by Maulana Ghazi and those comitted by killers in karachi,benazir,nawaz etc..
their actions were no doubt wrong..they were very clear about why they did what they did..those factors need to be tackled.. if the killers in karachi could be pardoned then why was a safe passage such a big deal in this case???
cuz then the west and the enlightened & moderate ones here would have said mush let the terrorists go..
demands included withdrawal of un-Islamic amendments in Hudood Ordinance, enforcement of Shariat and reconstruction of demolished mosques.
these arguments wont lead us newhere..everyone's gonna stick to their own views/beliefs and thinking
peace
May Allah help us all..
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A wrong committed in the past elsewhere does not make it right next time. If one theif got away with stealing one time, does that mean that from that point all theives should be let free even they are caught red handed? By this logic, you don’t want any laws enforced anywhere?
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their actions were no doubt wrong..they were very clear about why they did what they did..those factors need to be tackled.. if the killers in karachi could be pardoned then why was a safe passage such a big deal in this case???
No body 'pardoned' the killers in Karachi (May 12 or otherwise), if you can file a report, go ahead, Imran Khan already did that, may be you can support the cause instead of siding someone who is so obviously a criminal.
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demands included withdrawal of un-Islamic amendments in Hudood Ordinance, enforcement of Shariat and reconstruction of demolished mosques.
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Demanding Shariat is a good demand, but you can't use ammunition/weapon to demand that, you can't abuse civilians for your demands, you use Islam and abuse it in other cases. What is it they call illegal occupiers of a land then construct "Mosque" on that land?? Similar structure was raised in Prophet PBUH time and it was demolished.
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Go ahead and identify the killers in Karachi and kill them. I would support it.
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Demanding Shariat is a good demand,
Before agreeing with this demand, you may want to find out what exactly does it mean to enforce Sharia Law. Most people fall in this trap. Do you really want a Taliban like state in Pakistan? Remeber forcing every one to keep a beard, prohibition of music, TV, any kind entertainment (except public shootings), no education for women? In Sharia Law no indivual rights and freedom of choice are allowed. There will be no freedom of speech and no democracy. There will only be one Khalifa for life. Which mullah do you want to be the Khalifa for life?
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Before agreeing with this demand, you may want to find out what exactly does it mean to enforce Sharia Law. Most people fall in this trap. Do you really want a Taliban like state in Pakistan? Remeber forcing every one to keep a beard, prohibition of music, TV, any kind entertainment (except public shootings), no education for women? In Sharia Law no indivual rights and freedom of choice are allowed. There will be no freedom of speech and no democracy. There will only be one Khalifa for life. Which mullah do you want to be the Khalifa for life?
Well, demanding implementation of 'shariah' is okay. Now what kind/level of shariat they want is something which can be debated in 'religion' section. All I know is that there is no "compulsion" in religion, but all I see is "compulsion" in religion by these fanatics.
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Well, demanding implementation of 'shariah' is okay. Now what kind/level of shariat they want is something which can be debated in 'religion' section. All I know is that there is no "compulsion" in religion, but all I see is "compulsion" in religion by these fanatics.
It is a slippery slope. You might think that there is no compulsion in religion until you end up in Taliban land or Saudi where they will point to "Amar Bil Maroof WaNahi anil Mankar" and forcibly stop you from anything they consider bad (like music) and force you to do what they consider good(like keep long beard). There wouln't be any freedom there. For an Islamist, there are no kind/levels of Shariat, there is only the Sharia Law. One code that controls every minute detail of human life. A code that is not subject to any kind of change.
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^ As I said, its a separate topic and can be discussed in Religion forum :)
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A wrong committed in the past elsewhere does not make it right next time. If one theif got away with stealing one time, does that mean that from that point all theives should be let free even they are caught red handed? By this logic, you don't want any laws enforced anywhere?
hey Ajju i agree with u 100%.. i think like u aswell..
it would take a lot of time to explain to u why I am saying what I am saying incase of Lal masjid cuz u'll have a question for every word i say..which is quite natrural
i dont have the time nor the intention of convincing ne of you guys
everything that comes up on our screens is not as simple or straight forward as it seems nor are the governments and agencies that innocent
atleast we can all agree on this that everyone including supporters aswell as opposers of Lal masjid clerics such as the goverment itself, are all saddened by the tragedy, and no ones happy about it..
or maybe i havent read enough on this forum that is otherwise
:)
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Before agreeing with this demand, you may want to find out what exactly does it mean to enforce Sharia Law. Most people fall in this trap. Do you really want a Taliban like state in Pakistan? Remeber forcing every one to keep a beard, prohibition of music, TV, any kind entertainment (except public shootings), no education for women? In Sharia Law no indivual rights and freedom of choice are allowed. There will be no freedom of speech and no democracy. There will only be one Khalifa for life. Which mullah do you want to be the Khalifa for life?
Ajju: Shariah that our Quran preaches and our Prophet (peace be upon him) preached and practiced!
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No body 'pardoned' the killers in Karachi (May 12 or otherwise), if you can file a report, go ahead, Imran Khan already did that, may be you can support the cause instead of siding someone who is so obviously a criminal.
Demanding Shariat is a good demand, but you can't use ammunition/weapon to demand that, you can't abuse civilians for your demands, you use Islam and abuse it in other cases. What is it they call illegal occupiers of a land then construct "Mosque" on that land?? Similar structure was raised in Prophet PBUH time and it was demolished.
no body pardoned!?! thats out of order captain; everything was on camera, 50 people were killed; why wasnt anybody punsihed??? identify the killers is not an answer
as i said earlier; their way of going about it was wrong and supported by none.. why they did what they did needs to be addressed
illegal/legal: Masjid Ameer Hamza was legal without a doubt
the whole episode of Lal masjid since 6 months was mishandled..the bloodshed could have been avoided..such solutions have been worked out in the past..could have been done today..
as i said these arguments would go on and on
take care
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Ajju: Shariah that our Quran preaches and our Prophet (peace be upon him) preached and practiced!
This sounds simple in theory but the devil is in the details. Anyway, I agree that we are digressing from the actual thread and need to discuss this in another thread.
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The media was by and large praising government, till it appeared that a deal is about to be finalized and then reports of it being sabotaged by President house, thats when media turned hostile towards government. On top of that praising the May 12 terrorrist has not done any good to government's image. Nobody is happy of what eventually happened, both Ghazi Bros and gov are responsible. The only ones happy is Aunty Shamim's son Altaf Hussain and his supporters.
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no body pardoned!?! thats out of order captain; everything was on camera, 50 people were killed; why wasnt anybody punsihed??? identify the killers is not an answer
The method of killing done by MQM was not the same as done by Ghazi bros, if you think you know the killers (and even if you don't know) have YOU filed a complaint? I agree that govt chose to look the other way, but what has opposition done to capture the killers?
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as i said earlier; their way of going about it was wrong and supported by none.. why they did what they did needs to be addressed
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Let me explain a bit why they did what they did.... they had ammunition and weapons, support of some Taliban militants then they thought they can take govt and Pak military head on, well guess what they were wrong. There demand of "shariat" was an "immediate" demand, did they demand shariat 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 6 years ago?
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the whole episode of Lal masjid since 6 months was mishandled..the bloodshed could have been avoided..such solutions have been worked out in the past..could have been done today..
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I agree that 6 last months govt mishandled and they chose to handle it properly only in the end, they could've taken out the terrorists 6 months ago and not now... but then 6 months ago not many people would have supported this action.
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The method of killing done by MQM was not the same as done by Ghazi bros, if you think you know the killers (and even if you don't know) have YOU filed a complaint? I agree that govt chose to look the other way, but what has opposition done to capture the killers?
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Last time i checked it was states job to uphold law and order and not of guppies. Why you shy away from openly supporting MQM? Just say that those killed on May 12 deserved it.
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Last time i checked it was states job to uphold law and order and not of guppies. Why you shy away from openly supporting MQM? Just say that those killed on May 12 deserved it.
Don't try to read too much into lines, I said the govt chose to look the other way, however even opposition didn't do anything about it except for Imran Khan (may be he is trying to score a point against Altaf). That killing was wrong and will stay 'wrong' whether Ghazi bros chose to do 'wrong' or not.