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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
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I dont care for Muslim India the way guys care for your supposed Afhhani brpther. I care for Pakistanis more then I do for any Indian. **
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and than u say pashtuns change thr loyalties more often than they they change thr shalwar qameez.thr u go u said it urself ..all u care is for pakistanis.and btw it was kinda funny when u said pashtuns are not loyal ...wat i always thought was that those people are not loyal who turn thr stinky backs when america orders them too.
remember its said in quran crystal clear ..
"whoever (muslim)sides the kuffar against the muslims is kafir himself.
so who is doing wrong and who did right is clear now.
hotheads or cowards, whether either is provaeable is dubious. So what is the purpose of this discussion? Is now really the right time to be showing such divisive attitudes?
Try showing some unity when times like this arise otherwise go post somewhere else.
mr moderator
where was the unity when war broke out in afghanistan. i dont wanna repeat this again and again cuz its getting boring now.but why do u care for only pakistanis .why does ur goverment has to cease the border between nwfp and jalalabad why not let the pashtuns fight for pashtuns in afghanistan just because its america mow thats why.why didnt they cease the borer at the time of soviet war..just like u fought the war for east pakistan .thats how pashtuns wants to fight in afghanistan for thr fellow pashtuns.if ur a panjabi ur sympathy will be for panjabi .if ur a pashtun ur sympathy will be definately for pashtuns.
every one say here that "i respect pashtuns" and i consider panjabis and pashtuns equal thr very less pppl who treat them equally but majority thr sympathies are with thr own kind but from outside they show that we treat ppl equally.its no doubt i wud make the biggest sacrifice for afellow muslim even if he is living in mars but if my own people needs me why go for someone else.everything starts from ur own house.than comes rest.
If you are saying Pak didn't help Pathans against the russians and they are not helping the millions of Patahns who they have given refuge to, then you don't know what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by RealDeal:
*If you are saying Pak didn't help Pathans against the russians and they are not helping the millions of Patahns who they have given refuge to, then you don't know what you are talking about. *
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read my post carefully and than tell me i dont know wat i'm talking about.
i neva said pak didnt helped afghans.i said " WHY DIDNT THEY CEASE THE BORDER AT THAT TIME OF RUSSIANS".which i think didnt mean to say pak neva helped and bla bla.read the post again btw.
No one is asking you to fight for Punjab or Sindh or anywhere else. This is up to any individual whether he wants to support Pakistan or support his own province alone. You talk about Afghanistan as if it is something special compared to everywhere else, but tell me, how much of Afghanistan is in Pashtun hands now? In Kabul it is the NA who are in control. The same NA who hate us Pakistani because we supported you Pashtuns to the point our country is now on the verge of war. Even now, tell me which other country has done more for the Pashtuns, millions of whom live in our cities all through Pakistan?
When 500 Pakistani youths were butchered by Dostum's men in Mazhar-i-Sharif, who was calling them cowards then? Is that what they died for? to be called cowards?
What about Kunduz? When the Afghan commanders left the Pakistani volunteers to defend the city while they all disappeared? Were they cowards as well?
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Originally posted by RealDeal:
** THAT is exactly the attitude that pisses off non-Punjabis, a great deal of Pak's population.**
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read it in it's context - it was a reply to JimmyC's quote:
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Does the government of Pakistan work for all the people fo Pakistan or for only one province's sake? Have you, the majority and dominant ethnic group in Pakistan ever listend for a second to the smaller groups?
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This guy is singling out one ethnic group and blaming it for jihadi culture, as if no other ethnic group is responsible. It's pure BS.
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Originally posted by fakeer: why does ur goverment has to cease the border between nwfp and jalalabad why not let the pashtuns fight for pashtuns in afghanistan just because its america mow thats why.
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Fakeer, do u really want all the Pakistani pashtuns to be butchered in Afghanistan by the superior US Air forces? Because they dont stand a chance at the moment, one should sometimes think, instead of giving urself up in emotions. First we have to develop ourselves, militarily, economically, then we would be able to have a say in the world politics, otherwise our position will be similar to Iraq or Afghanistan.
[This message has been edited by zaavia (edited May 27, 2002).]
I was reading through some the stuff Fakeer and Mickey were spewing and I was extremely embarrassed as a pushtoon myself by what they said.
I am a pushtoon by blood, our family unlike most other pushtoons are educated and have some sense in us.
You speak of Afghanis huh? You think they are your pushtoon brother ... well I have news for you. They don't even consider us (Pakistani Pushtoons) as Pathans! Not to generalize but most Afghanis I have met in Pakistan and aboard poke fun at Pakistan and indulge more in Indian culture and sympathize with them too.
As for the other rubbish said about not being Pakistanis, I and many other pushtoons I know will die for Pakistan and consider ourselves as much Pakistani as pushtoons, without Pakistan pukhtunkhawa will be another landlocked Afghanistan. Pakistan was created by Muslims for Muslims and before we are pushtoon, Pakistani etc we are all Muslims so stop nagging like a spoiled brat!
You talk about following Muslim law ? What about pushtoons who confine their mothers and sisters to home and then go out on drinking and womanizing rampages? That’s not Islam that’s the stupid pre-Islamic barbaric culture kicking in.
Not to say everything is barbaric, I am proud of my culture but we are not blessed people or anything that everything we do must be right ... we have faults too.
Keep your stupid ideas to your own selves don’t spread hatred between Pakistanis.
P.S when you post something it is rude to post in a language not understood by others ... so try to converse in English or Urdu.
yara you don’t need to convince me. The truth is that there will always be people who hate Pakistanis, Punjabis etc. Either we get bogged down on this rhetoric or we move ahead. Once all that said and done, Pakistan will emerge stronger not because of its dessenters but because of it patriots. Keep the dream alive, and we will prosper
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Originally posted by TopakZamaKanoonDe:
**I was reading through some the stuff Fakeer and Mickey were spewing and I was extremely embarrassed as a pushtoon myself by what they said.
I am a pushtoon by blood, our family unlike most other pushtoons are educated and have some sense in us.
You speak of Afghanis huh? You think they are your pushtoon brother ... well I have news for you. They don't even consider us (Pakistani Pushtoons) as Pathans! Not to generalize but most Afghanis I have met in Pakistan and aboard poke fun at Pakistan and indulge more in Indian culture and sympathize with them too.
As for the other rubbish said about not being Pakistanis, I and many other pushtoons I know will die for Pakistan and consider ourselves as much Pakistani as pushtoons, without Pakistan pukhtunkhawa will be another landlocked Afghanistan. Pakistan was created by Muslims for Muslims and before we are pushtoon, Pakistani etc we are all Muslims so stop nagging like a spoiled brat!
You talk about following Muslim law ? What about pushtoons who confine their mothers and sisters to home and then go out on drinking and womanizing rampages? That’s not Islam that’s the stupid pre-Islamic barbaric culture kicking in.
Not to say everything is barbaric, I am proud of my culture but we are not blessed people or anything that everything we do must be right ... we have faults too.
Keep your stupid ideas to your own selves don’t spread hatred between Pakistanis.
P.S when you post something it is rude to post in a language not understood by others ... so try to converse in English or Urdu.
pa mekha dekha
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ka toopac da stha kanoon deh no ma qanoon rpg day. poyay shway.
i know ur pashtoon and yes ur right.u r a true patriot pakistani.but look at ur roots where u come from .where ur ancesstors come from.
and when u say the afghanis dont consider the pashtuns on pakistan part brothers i think urdreaming or u never tried to realized .if afghans dont care for pashtuns in pakhtunistan why the hell wud they ask for independence for pashtuns.
u keep ur stupid moronic statements to urself.and yes mods its a humble request this thread shud be locked now.
They want Pakhtunistan liberation because they are greedy for the land they lost to the british, not because Pathans are living there. They just want the land.
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Originally posted by JimmyC:
**Why Adnan? Why sould anyone conside themselves as Pakisatnis? Lets be realiztic here, what has Pakistan given to the people but Jihad, Taliban, drugs, guns, corruption, feudalism, and nuclear weapons? Is their any justice in Pakistan? Is their equality in Pakistan? Does the government of Pakistan work for all the people fo Pakistan or for only one province's sake? Have you, the majority and dominant ethnic group in Pakistan ever listend for a second to the smaller groups? Have you been hearing what they have been telling you for the last 54 years or like most Pakistanis did you close your ears and turn away your eyes so you don't have to see the truth.
There is no hope for Pakistan as long as people keep putting blinders on their eyes and pretend everything is ok and Islam will save us.
Open your eyes everything is broken. Poor people have no rights. Jihadis are in control of corrupt Army. And if Pakistan today doesnot completely give up on Jihadi disease, we will see yet another 1971 but this time there will be no chance to undo the wrongs of the past.**
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We consider ourselves Pakistani because we are Pakistani. All the mistakes we have made are mistakes, and will be corrected. All true Pkistanis will agree with me. If you dont, that your problem, go live somelace else and leave us alone. Our problems have been a result of the evil state of Hindustand which has never accepted us. Its never allowed us to exist as a nation since holding on to Kashmir for 50 years and imposing three wars on us. I dont close my eyes, I see the everything.. Its the Indian propagnada that spreads lies. You seem to be a typical Indian, brainwashed by the govts propaganda machine. I am a proud Pakistani and will remain one to the die, regardless of all Indias lies.
[This message has been edited by Adnan Ahmed (edited May 27, 2002).]
I am a Pakistani, I have both Pashtun and Punjabi blood in me. Everyone is living just fine. So listen u indians:
Pakistanis, ppl from Punjab, Sindh, NWFP & Balochistan live happily and in unity. They simply don't give an f about what indians say about them, they knows it's all crap.
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
[This message has been edited by pakistan99 (edited May 27, 2002).]
I have never been accused of being a coward, so will never get used to that. Remember, Punjabis have always been the first in Army, my Family for example has fought in all three wars. I have one relative who is on the frontline right now, and honestly, if I could be there I wuld be to. I am just as brave if not braver then your hot headed ass, Only difference between me and you is but, I have brains.