I called you a hot headed afghani… I called you that because you jumped to conclusions when I asked whether We should have involved ourselves in Afghan afairs…
I only asked a question, I wondered if others agreed with my PERSONAL belief. You called me a typical “PAKISTANI COWARD” as I recall… SO IF THATS NOT HOT HEADED, WHAT IS? Now should I apologize first or should you?
After reading all these posts, im starting to think the best thing we can do for Pakistan is to let the NWFP go to Afghanistan, Sindhis and Balochis make their own homeland, Kashmiri's go whereevr they end up. . Who ever is left behind are the true Pakistanis, let the rest go F-k themselves.
Time for me to get back into a lecturing mode and cool u gupsters a bit if u pay little heed to what I’ve to say.
First of all, Muslims did not come into existence to be branched off by their racial roots into separate groups to claim glory to divinity or heavens! Understood!!!
Second, Every person when it comes to religious matters, or deen, is here on his own, we all have to face Allah ‘alone’ on the day of the ultimate judgement. Therefore rest ur cases to ease by trying to out do one another in matters as such.
Thirdly, let me just generally brush off everyone’s minds with this. No nation or no tribe in this world shall survive if anyone does any injustice to another breathing soul. We all pay it off in the end. Any group that is suffering today, is due to the very reason, which is clearly seen in these very hot arguments, that no person is ready to listen to the other, but is ready to prompt their intellect towards degrading the other. Now thats insanity.
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No wonder Muslims aren’t able to unite themselves under one plateform, if these petty differences persist.
"Remember that the enemy stands at our gates."said one wise gupster
Put ur differences aside, and stop making nincompoops of urselves my little guppies.
ur right bro .
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
** I called you a hot headed afghani... I called you that because you jumped to conclusions when I asked whether We should have involved ourselves in Afghan afairs...
I only asked a question, I wondered if others agreed with my PERSONAL belief. You called me a typical "PAKISTANI COWARD" as I recall... SO IF THATS NOT HOT HEADED, WHAT IS? Now should I apologize first or should you?
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and yes i still stand by my statement ..yes i will call u again ..bowing down to a munafiq and than a communist munafiq is cowardness .u said afghanistan was better under russian goverment and my reply was for this statement u gave .wat do u expect a true patriot afghan to reply when u make comment like that. was that 10 years war worth this that when it ends than ppl say "yea afghanistan shudve accepted the communist rule in thr country"were all those qurbanis the afghan plus rest of the mujahideens gave was waste of blood.Afghans gave everything to drive the soviets out of thr beloved land my friend.
if i say u guys were better with india wat wud u say ..u have hundred % right to call me a coward and i wont mind it cuz this is cowardness.pakistani leaders did the right thing to fight for freedom.cuz living under a munafiqs rule is almost equal to eating ur own **** .
if the pashtuns were given all the legal rights just like panjabis are given why wud they hate ur policies so much that they want a separate homeland.think abouut it . a person hates another person for a reason.
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ur pissed off ehh.
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the never ending issue .nwfp.all we want is unity amongst the pashtuns on both sides which we’re not allowed to have (the damn border).just like u care for the muslims in india we care for our own muslim bro’s in pakistan and afghanistan.
Just a small addition for my dear Pashtun brothers. The people from Baltistan, Gilgit, Northern Areas and Kashmir are not Pashtuns. Please don't confuse them as Pushtuns. The majority of NLI were people from Kashmir, though Pashtuns certainly played their part and played it well too I might add. Lets forget for a moment that the Kargil episode achieve nothing but loss of lives.
But I see a disturbing phenomenon among Pashtuns when they think they are the only ones in Pakistan who fight in Kashmir? In fact in recent years only a minority of Jihadis in Kashmir are Pushtuns. Most these days are in fact Punjabis and then Kashmiris and Pashtuns come in second place.
Also, a special note for Mickey. I would ease up on the rhetoric just a tad, considering that right now a best friend for a Pushtun Jihadi is a Punjabi Jihadi. My friend if you said what you have said against Poonjabis here, against Tajiks Uzbeks or Hazaras on an Afghan forum, you know will that they would rip your heart out and give it to you on a platter. Compared to that the Panjabis here have been fairly laid back with their responses. And personally I hate Jihadis, no matter what part of the world they are from. So, I have no love for the Panjabi masters of ISI, but neither do I care for the Pushtun or even Kashmir Jihadis because all of them suffer from the same mental defects in their brain that make them think they can win every time by fighting. What they have turned Kashmir into can be seen by everybody.
So, whatever is happening right now, all people are responsible for it. Unless some Poonjabi was sitting on your head telling you to support Taliban all this time while you were in New York.
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
After reading all these posts, im starting to think the best thing we can do for Pakistan is to let the NWFP go to Afghanistan, Sindhis and Balochis make their own homeland, Kashmiri's go whereevr they end up. . Who ever is left behind are the true Pakistanis, let the rest go F-k themselves.
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Adnan yara, don't despair!
Sometimes I feel exactly that way, but I read our history about our peoples and my faith in every Pakistani is reenergized.
Although the rhetoric is getting to that breaking point. You can't teach or force patriotism and if you'll hate Pakistan that much then maybe you are better off on your own. Any Pashtun, Sindhi, Baluchi, Punjabi, MARTIAN, who considers themselves a Pakistani has a place in my heart.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
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What a moronic statement is that? Mushy wife with Vajaypie? Man, you really, really need to think about before saying anything. Perphaps, this news would be about Agra Summit last year.
Kuddos, watch your mouth before saying anything. Musahrraf’s wife is in Pakistan.
Or is it the other way around in Karzai’s house?
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Pathetic, when and where I insulted people of NWFP & Afghanistan?
Live & Let Live
I dont care for Muslim India the way guys care for your supposed Afhhani brpther. I care for Pakistanis more then I do for any Indian.
I dont care for Gujrati the muslim as such.. I care for them as I do for all other people who are being murdered be they Hindu chiristian or whatever. I certainly dont care for them like you Pathans do for Aghanis.
And im not mad, we should expect this from Pathans… They change their loyalities more often then they do their Shalwar Kameez. All I want is a country in which Pakistanis are all Pakistani not matter what.
If that means getting rid of all those who consider themselves anything other than Pakistanis, then to hell with them. This includes you and all your Pathan brothers, I say let them live with their Afhan friends. Getting rid of the such Pathans may be a blessing in disquise. By the way, if you didnt want to be apart of our great nation, then dont bitch with us, bitch with your forefathers who decided to be Pakistani in the first place. And even now, if you are so against being a Pakistani, then by all means, hike through the Mountains to freedom in Afghanistan, why waste our time posing as a Pakistani?
Enemy stands at our gate, but they will probabaly knock it down and destroy us all.
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Originally posted by fakeer:
** and yes i still stand by my statement ..yes i will call u again ..bowing down to a munafiq and than a communist munafiq is cowardness .u said afghanistan was better under russian goverment and my reply was for this statement u gave .wat do u expect a true patriot afghan to reply when u make comment like that. was that 10 years war worth this that when it ends than ppl say "yea afghanistan shudve accepted the communist rule in thr country"were all those qurbanis the afghan plus rest of the mujahideens gave was waste of blood.Afghans gave everything to drive the soviets out of thr beloved land my friend.
if i say u guys were better with india wat wud u say ..u have hundred % right to call me a coward and i wont mind it cuz this is cowardness.pakistani leaders did the right thing to fight for freedom.cuz living under a munafiqs rule is almost equal to eating ur own **** .
if the pashtuns were given all the legal rights just like panjabis are given why wud they hate ur policies so much that they want a separate homeland.think abouut it . a person hates another person for a reason.
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Well, I already made my point, if another war were to break out, i would stay completely neutral. Like I said, more people have died as a result of that war, then during it. Its not cowardes, its comman sense. So if you dont retract your statement, I certainly wont retract mine. Besides, you should be used to being called a "hot head" by now.
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Originally posted by RajputFury:
** Adnan yara, don't despair!
Sometimes I feel exactly that way, but I read our history about our peoples and my faith in every Pakistani is reenergized.
Although the rhetoric is getting to that breaking point. You can't teach or force patriotism and if you'll hate Pakistan that much then maybe you are better off on your own. Any Pashtun, Sindhi, Baluchi, Punjabi, MARTIAN, who considers themselves a Pakistani has a place in my heart.
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This **** is aggravating yaar. All this BULL crap rhetoric, especially now, when the real enemy is waiting to desimate our country. If they manage to win , they wont see a Pashtun or Punjabi, they will simply see a Pakistani. When they start treating Pakistani women the way the treat Kashmiri women, they will not ask if the are Pashtun or Punjabi first. Point is, this is the time for Unity, not a time for a debate over Pashtunistan.
Right now, we should ALL be PAKISTANI
Why Adnan? Why sould anyone conside themselves as Pakisatnis? Lets be realiztic here, what has Pakistan given to the people but Jihad, Taliban, drugs, guns, corruption, feudalism, and nuclear weapons? Is their any justice in Pakistan? Is their equality in Pakistan? Does the government of Pakistan work for all the people fo Pakistan or for only one province's sake? Have you, the majority and dominant ethnic group in Pakistan ever listend for a second to the smaller groups? Have you been hearing what they have been telling you for the last 54 years or like most Pakistanis did you close your ears and turn away your eyes so you don't have to see the truth.
There is no hope for Pakistan as long as people keep putting blinders on their eyes and pretend everything is ok and Islam will save us.
Open your eyes everything is broken. Poor people have no rights. Jihadis are in control of corrupt Army. And if Pakistan today doesnot completely give up on Jihadi disease, we will see yet another 1971 but this time there will be no chance to undo the wrongs of the past.
Can you tell me what non-Punjabis have done for Pakistan? Where are you from JimmyC?
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Originally posted by JimmyC:
**Why Adnan? Why sould anyone conside themselves as Pakisatnis? Lets be realiztic here, what has Pakistan given to the people but Jihad, Taliban, drugs, guns, corruption, feudalism, and nuclear weapons? Is their any justice in Pakistan? Is their equality in Pakistan? Does the government of Pakistan work for all the people fo Pakistan or for only one province's sake? Have you, the majority and dominant ethnic group in Pakistan ever listend for a second to the smaller groups? Have you been hearing what they have been telling you for the last 54 years or like most Pakistanis did you close your ears and turn away your eyes so you don't have to see the truth.
There is no hope for Pakistan as long as people keep putting blinders on their eyes and pretend everything is ok and Islam will save us.
Open your eyes everything is broken. Poor people have no rights. Jihadis are in control of corrupt Army. And if Pakistan today doesnot completely give up on Jihadi disease, we will see yet another 1971 but this time there will be no chance to undo the wrongs of the past.**
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Pakistan has given many sacrifices for its people..outsiders such as yourself tend to look at only the negative side..... When Pakistan was created we didn't even have a type writer for Jinnah, but now mashallah we are much ahead we have given dignity and self respect to our people... The dilemma about the rights of poor being violated is not Pakistan specific...but rather is a general trend in the third world..and am sad to say now it is also starting in the first world.....regardless.....Pakistan is the only muslim power today with nukes and now thanx to Musharraf the Baluchi people whom I do belive were neglected are given 3 massive projects that will provide them jobs and happiness....... Anyways I don't know why I am even debating with you...We Pakistanis shouldn't have to worry what outsiders think....where u from?
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
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Well, I already made my point, if another war were to break out, i would stay completely neutral. Like I said, more people have died as a result of that war, then during it. Its not cowardes, its comman sense. So if you dont retract your statement, I certainly wont retract mine. Besides, you should be used to being called a "hot head" by now. **
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ok i'll get used to being called hot headedc but u shud get used to bein called "COWARD ".cowards are always cowards.