There most certainly has been transfers of nuclear technology since 1945. The first time it was done by scientists working on the US program who handed off to the Soviets, advancing their timetable by some years. The Israelis were aided by the French and maybe others. It has happened and is a serious concern of the USA. World War II was a race for the bomb among the US, the Germans and the Japanese. This is all fact.
why musharuff want denulearise both india and pakistan?
The president said: "We’ve called for a no-war pact (with India), that there shouldn’t be any war. We’ve called for denuclearization of South Asia, so we’ve called for reduction of forces
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Originally posted by Spock:
** We are not in a position to help other Muslim nations (some of which are already viewed as a threat by the rest of the countries) develop nukes. And quite frankly, we cannot afford to do that as our nuclear technology is providing a balance of terror between us and India, and we cannot risk it as we would immediately loose the Kashmir struggle if we do so. Besides, what have the other Islamic countries done for us that we bestow this huge favour upon them? Countries like Iran go and make anti-Pakistani statements, they do not deserve our gratitude.
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Well I agree other muslim nations are just a bunch of ingrates ... but what I mean is if such a thing were to happen covertly it definitely restore the balance of muslims against non-muslims in the world and thats exactly what has to be achieved to solve our problems. No one fears us anymore, and canput the lid on us anywhere anytime.
However, would we end up using them against each other if all of the muslim nations had nuclear capability or would it unite us finally.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
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Originally posted by usman_khalil:
** There is a difference between going to nuclear yourself and giving another nation nuclear technology.
Pak has the right to built N-weapons and it will constantly develop its nuclear technology in the future and there is nothing USA can do anything about it.
But if Pak shares his nuclear technology with another nation, it will drive USA mad.
Making an A-bomb yourself and sharing your nuclear technology are 2 things that differ dramatically.
No nation has ever shared its nuclear technology with any other nation so what makes you think Pak will and USA wont do anything about that?**
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Your correct at both things being different in consequences but its not really true that no one has ever shared nuclear technologies, I believe China covertly does help us ... there is no doubt about that.
My point is we need to strike a balance of power between east and west. What could be the possible means of doing it. Since we possess nuclear technology would bringing the entire Ummah under a nuclear umbrella be a way, or do you think there is another. At the moment our very existence is threatened, if we help each what gaurantee do we have we will not turn on each other afterwards.
Like I replied to Spocks post, we are at a level where anyone can trample us the way they want, that needs to stop.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
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Originally posted by LooksCanKill:
** Your correct at both things being different in consequences but its not really true that no one has ever shared nuclear technologies, I believe China covertly does help us ... there is no doubt about that.
My point is we need to strike a balance of power between east and west. What could be the possible means of doing it. Since we possess nuclear technology would bringing the entire Ummah under a nuclear umbrella be a way, or do you think there is another. At the moment our very existence is threatened, if we help each what gaurantee do we have we will not turn on each other afterwards.
Like I replied to Spocks post, we are at a level where anyone can trample us the way they want, that needs to stop.
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Regarding to the nuclear technologies being shared, What I meant was that no nation has ever gave all the materials and gave the whole formula to another nation for an A-bomb or has it? Correct me If I am wrong.
You're saying that Pak should share his nuclear technology, Pak should do that but first of all, before sharing the main question remains, can we trust them? All because they are muslims doesn't mean we can trust them, muslims have betrayed muslims in the past.
Its my dream that all muslim countries unite and live under one flag. When that happen, then sharing N-technology would be much easier with other muslim nations and would be more trustable.
Currently Pakistan is in a very tense situation, there are attacks every other day in Kashmir and we are being blamed for them. Second, we must help USA with its war on terror. Third, we must really keep our N-weapons very safely cause American/British satellites are all over the place and are dieing hundary to know where our nuclear arsenal is. Not to mention India/Israel are trying to do the same.
There are tons more, but you get the picture.
Usman Khalil
[This message has been edited by usman_khalil (edited July 17, 2002).]
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Originally posted by usman_khalil:
** Regarding to the nuclear technologies being shared, What I meant was that no nation has ever gave all the materials and gave the whole formula to another nation for an A-bomb or has it? Correct me If I am wrong.
You're saying that Pak should share his nuclear technology, Pak should do that but first of all, before sharing the main question remains, can we trust them? All because they are muslims doesn't mean we can trust them, muslims have betrayed muslims in the past.
Its my dream that all muslim countries unite and live under one flag. When that happen, then sharing N-technology would be much easier with other muslim nations and would be more trustable.
Currently Pakistan is in a very tense situation, there are attacks every other day in Kashmir and we are being blamed for them. Second, we must help USA with its war on terror. Third, we must really keep our N-weapons very safely cause American/British satellites are all over the place and are dieing hundary to know where our nuclear arsenal is. Not to mention India/Israel are trying to do the same.
There are tons more, but you get the picture.
Usman Khalil
[This message has been edited by usman_khalil (edited July 17, 2002).]**
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Yup I understand your point but then how do we unite the muslim countries. If we help each other in our fights or do you see another way of doing it. Once we are able to unite no matter what cause brings us together that surely will be the turning point of world politics and you may even see a possible split of the British and the American. Geographies dictate political motives. USA can be totally cutoff if Europeon and Asian countries can find mutual cooperation through coercion of motives or genuine political agenda .... sounds pretty far fetched ... doesnt it .... well but when there's a will theres a way.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
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Originally posted by LooksCanKill:
** then how do we unite the muslim countries.
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If we muslims really wanna unite, we can.
Intention is all we need to make and the rest could be done all by itselve.
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Originally posted by usman_khalil:
** If we muslims really wanna unite, we can.
Intention is all we need to make and the rest could be done all by itselve.**
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Have you ever seen the Muslims in the middle east? They regard Muslims in Pakistan, and other countries like Bangladesh as their slaves. This holds for the majority of the Muslim ummah in the Arab country. They even call Pakistanis as being 'rafeeq' (inferior creatures). Do you think they will unite with us? No -> Right now they are busy kicking out the Pakistanis living in their countries without pays... Do you think Afghanis (who literally lived on this countrys bow) give a crap about Pakistanis?
Its not us Pakistanis who should be taught lessons as to sacrifice our lives for others, its them who should be urged to get rid of their hatred. You know what, Ive seen that in colleges abroad, some of the best teams are Pakistani/Indian associates... They make a hell of a team, and this shows they understand and respect each other. Both of them know the similar hardships their country has and is facing. The Arabs would never think that way.
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Originally posted by Spock:
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Have you ever seen the Muslims in the middle east? They regard Muslims in Pakistan, and other countries like Bangladesh as their slaves. This holds for the majority of the Muslim ummah in the Arab country. They even call Pakistanis as being 'rafeeq' (inferior creatures). Do you think they will unite with us? No -> Right now they are busy kicking out the Pakistanis living in their countries without pays... Do you think Afghanis (who literally lived on this countrys bow) give a crap about Pakistanis?
Its not us Pakistanis who should be taught lessons as to sacrifice our lives for others, its them who should be urged to get rid of their hatred. You know what, Ive seen that in colleges abroad, some of the best teams are Pakistani/Indian associates... They make a hell of a team, and this shows they understand and respect each other. Both of them know the similar hardships their country has and is facing. The Arabs would never think that way.**
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If we wanna unite, we can.
Intention is all we need to make and the rest could be done all by itselve.
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The "we" part, I am not only talking about Pak, I am talking about all muslims in the world. That if we all muslims just make the intention of uniting, then everything could be done itselve.
And yea, whatever your saying I agree with much of it. The arab world is messed up and are needed to be reminded who they are again, the followers Prophet Mohammed(PBUH). I mean in palestine, Israel is killing our muslims brothers yet not a single arab country is doing anything about it. I refer them as "free-time" muslims, all arab has is oil and thats why USA supports them. They just dont know that if our oil is finished, our value would be nothing.
On the other hand, Egypt a country that borders Israel did do something to help which was that they cut their ties off with Israel, still thats not enough but its better than doing nothing!
May Allah(SWT) help the muslim ummah and unite us! Aameen!
Usman Khalil
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Originally posted by usman_khalil:
** The "we" part, I am not only talking about Pak, I am talking about all muslims in the world. **
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First unit Pakistanis then we will think about the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Abdali:
** First unit Pakistanis then we will think about the rest of the world.**
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True... There are some separatist elements within us that must first be dealt with...
Well said J-Walker...
Unite Pakistanis .... boy thats one of the hardest tasks our country's administration can face.
Pakistan has the worst geographical showcase of cultures anyone can ever want. We showcase around 5-6 different cultures that do not even have any religous affinity with each other but all of them share one thing Barbarism.
Think about it, Sind was a Hindu dominated culture before Pakistan. Balochostan has pushtoon and iranian (persian) cultural roots. NWFP has Afghani, uzbek, tajik cultural roots whereas punjab has Indian punjab cultural affinity. Then came the mohijirs who created Pakistan, they have their own legacy.
Thats why we have so much internal political turmoil. Other muslim countries do not have such diverse cultural backgrounds as we do. The same kind of cultural practices are shared throughout the middle east. They are separated by religous hypocracy not cultural.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
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Originally posted by LooksCanKill:
**Unite Pakistanis .... boy thats one of the hardest tasks our country's administration can face.
Pakistan has the worst geographical showcase of cultures anyone can ever want. We showcase around 5-6 different cultures that do not even have any religous affinity with each other but all of them share one thing Barbarism.
Think about it, Sind was a Hindu dominated culture before Pakistan. Balochostan has pushtoon and iranian (persian) cultural roots. NWFP has Afghani, uzbek, tajik cultural roots whereas punjab has Indian punjab cultural affinity. Then came the mohijirs who created Pakistan, they have their own legacy.
Thats why we have so much internal political turmoil. Other muslim countries do not have such diverse cultural backgrounds as we do. The same kind of cultural practices are shared throughout the middle east. They are separated by religous hypocracy not cultural.
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True!
Aha! Pakistan was formed with the impression that an Isalmic country is necessary to unite and safeguard interests of Muslims. Are you saying this is not sufficient and something more than religion (you call it culture I think) is needed to unite Muslims?