Pak Afghan Border clashes

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The north-west of Pakistan has been almost totally destroyed in its social, economic fabric thanks to the higher ups in the army and intelligence services who view these people as cannon fodder. They have betrayed the people and needs of this area and fail to come to their support in the hour of need. They dont seem to mind when theyre are bomb blasts in KP but if they happen in Punjab then its given a lt of coverage.

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Yeah that posted above is just wrong.

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For some reason this website always focuses on whats wrong in Pakistan and not whats right or working properly. So I shall.

Militants flee back to Afghanistan | DAWN.COM

The news item speaks of an Afghan attack on a village in Bajaur agency which the Pak Military and tribal militia repulsed together. More so they got their own people released and killed a few of the Taliban. If this doesn’t go to prove the support of the people in FATA I am not sure what does.

Every time there is a cross border incursion it will only add to the support of the tribal groups. More so than before. The beauty of all of this is that people that haven’t set foot in Pakistan for 5 to 10 years mouth off that the people of FATA are not Pakistanis.

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A few days back there was another incursion in Chitral. Pakistan has asked the Afghans to curb the infiltration across the borders and this is their response.

Afghanistan warns Pakistan over cross-border shelling | DAWN.COM

**KABUL: Afghanistan warned Pakistan Sunday that any further cross-border shelling could significantly harm relations, just days after the leaders of the two strife-torn neighbours met to talk peace.
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More than 300 heavy artillery shells and rockets were fired from Pakistan into Dangam district of eastern Kunar province on Friday and Saturday, killing at least four people, provincial spokesman Wasifullah Wasifi told AFP.

Last month, a barrage of cross-border fire from Pakistan into Kunar forced thousands of villagers to flee their homes, officials said, after Islamabad accused Kabul of giving safe haven to militants who infiltrated to kill 13 Pakistani soldiers.

Afghanistan and Pakistan typically blame each other for violence by Taliban militants plaguing both sides of their porous border.

Afghanistan’s Deputy Foreign Minister Jawed Ludin on Sunday summoned Pakistan’s ambassador in Kabul to discuss the latest barrage of periodic shelling across the Durand Line, a foreign ministry statement said.

“Any continuation of such reported shelling against Afghan villages could have a significant negative impact on bilateral relations,” the statement quoted Ludin as telling ambassador Mohammad Sadiq.
Both sides agreed to hold a senior-level meeting of military officials soon in Afghanistan’s eastern city of Jalalabad over the shelling and improve military coordination along the Durand Line, the statement said.

President Hamid Karzai’s office said the issue was raised in a meeting of the national security council on Sunday and security officials were instructed “to put into place all due actions necessary”, without elaborating.

Pakistani Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf, in response to a question at a joint news conference with Karzai on Thursday, said Pakistan was also attacked from Afghanistan and the issue had been raised in a meeting between the two leaders.

“Same like, from this side, from Kunar side, we get attacks on our armed forces, on our civilians.

“So we have discussed all these things, and now we have to do our utmost … to control such happenings,” Ashraf said.

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very typical of them, when they fire shells and let militants cross over on Pak side, who kill our soldiers and innocent civilians, its perfectly fine and acceptable? and when Pakistan reacts in defence, they start blowing things out of proportion and hold Pakistan responsible for everything. how convenient

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Well the Afghans do not control those provinces. Neither does NATO. Its not that they are openly supporting them with logistic and material support. Its lawless country and anybody can use it.

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Afghans and Americans are quick to put the blame of their failures on Pakistan (and their favourite demand of do more) but on the other end they expect Pakistan to keep quiet about the terrorist safe havens in Eastern Afghanistan (as the area is difficult to control).http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/world/asia/rockets-fired-from-pakistan-pound-afghan-villages.html?_r=2&smid=go-share

Rockets Fired From Pakistan Pound Villages In Afghanistan

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG and HABIB ZAHORI

Published: July 22, 2012

KABUL, Afghanistan — Villages in northeastern Afghanistan — an area thick with competing Taliban factions, operatives from Al Qaeda and other militants — were bombarded with hundreds of rockets fired from Pakistan over the weekend, leaving at least four civilians dead, Afghan officials said.

The latest cross-border rocket barrage exposed increasing tensions over what Afghanistan and the United States on one side and Pakistan on the other agree is a problem: the virtual free flow of militants across a frontier that often seems noted only on maps.

Each side accuses the other of tolerating Islamist militants, and Afghan accusations of sporadic barrages from the Pakistani side of the frontier — most, like Sunday’s statements, carefully calibrated to not directly accuse the Pakistani military of firing the rockets — have added to the mistrust between the countries as the United States struggles to extract itself from the Afghan war.

**The Pakistanis say Afghan and American forces, which have largely left northeastern Afghanistan over the past two years, have allowed factions of the Pakistani Taliban, an offshoot of the Afghan movement that focuses on attacks against the Pakistani government, to find refuge in the region.
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The militants now use northeastern Afghanistan as a springboard for cross-border attacks; there have been 15 in the past year, resulting in more than 100 deaths, a Pakistani military official said Sunday. The latest came this past week when militants attacked a Pakistani village militia that is fighting the Taliban, according to Pakistani officials.

**Afghan and American officials have long accused Pakistan of aiding the Afghan Taliban up and down the entire border and of turning a blind eye to Qaeda militants, who have managed to carve out havens along the frontier.
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**Yet officials from all three countries have largely remained cautious about making too much of the unstable situation in northeastern Afghanistan in large part because the region’s exceedingly remote and difficult terrain, with its isolated mountainside villages and easy militant hiding spots, have created stiff challenges with few easy solutions.
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**But Afghan officials now appear to be growing more vocal about the occasional rocket barrages coming from the border, which they often suggest is the work of Pakistan’s military.
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Afghan officials said Sunday that the region had been hit by about 400 rockets over the weekend. The Pakistani military official said his forces had not fired the rockets, and that “Pakistani troops only respond and engage militants from where they are attacked or fired upon.”The Afghan Foreign Ministry, in a statement, stopped short of outright accusing Pakistani forces.

But it did say that Deputy Foreign Minister Jawad Ludin had summoned Pakistan’s envoy in Kabul and told him continued rocket fire would have a “negative impact” on relations. The two agreed that military officials from both countries would soon meet in Jalalabad, in eastern Afghanistan, “to identify ways to prevent any future shelling into Afghan villages,” the statement said.

Officials in Kunar Province, which with neighboring Nuristan Province has faced most of the barrages, were less circumspect on Sunday — they directly blamed Pakistan’s military.

Wasifullah Wasifi, a spokesman for Kunar’s government, said Pakistani rocket fire had picked up since the signing in May of a strategic partnership deal between Afghanistan and the United States. Many Afghans believe Pakistan opposed the deal because, they say, it seeks to dominate their country, though the pact has not been a major issue in Pakistan, and Pakistan insists it wants good relations with Afghanistan.

The Pakistanis “claim that their outposts are attacked by militants who they say are enjoying sanctuary on our side of the border,” he said in a telephone interview. “But that is not true.”The rocket fire, Afghan officials and villagers said, killed four people in Dangam district of Kunar over the weekend.

“Some houses have been ruined, and many cows and sheep have been slaughtered as well,” said Haji Khan Jan, a village elder in Dangam. “

We cannot leave our homes.”In western Afghanistan on Sunday, the NATO-led international force said three civilian contractors were killed by a man wearing an Afghan military uniform. He was in turn shot and killed. The international force did not say who killed the assailant or specify the nationalities or the jobs of the contractors.But an Afghan official said a policeman had opened fire on international forces around 7:30 p.m., after the Afghan police had broken their daily fasts for the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. Col. Noor Khan Nekzad, a spokesman for the police in Herat, said the shooting took place at a coalition police training center near the city. The center is mainly staffed by Italian forces, although some Americans also work there.
Declan Walsh contributed reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan.

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Afghans reluctant to act against militant havens | DAWN.COM

Seems ISAF and the Afghan Government want us to bleed like they have been bleeding. No response on cross border raids.

Seems the roosters are coming home to roost for Pakistan.

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^ anything/anyone who tries to cross the border from Afghanistan into Pakistan should be shot at (shoot to kill) ..... simple as that ..... this is also to protect PPL in FATA who r (and have been ever since) loyal to Pakistan

otherwise who knows what sort off PPL manage to enter into Pakistan and cause havoc

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right, the whole of NATO/ISAF/ Afghan government cant control these provinces, but they expect Pakistan to be super efficient and do more. hypocrisy at its best.

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These have are there for the past 2 years at least, when we stated operations in south Waziristan the Americans vacated their bases from the east to provide the militants with safe areas. They will do the same when Pakistan starts operations in NWA, both sides don’t trust each other. Anyways Pakistan should reinforce the security of the border and the agencies ordering Afghanistan to meet the challenge.

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**WASHINGTON: As relations with United States settle back into normal phase of cooperation after months of strain, Washington is now going to focus more on working with Islamabad and Kabul to contain militant activities along the porous Durand Line.
**“Well, we’re working closely with both countries, obviously, to try to limit violence along the Afghan-Pakistan border,” a Pentagon spokesperson said, amid weeks of complaining from both sides about cross-border attacks along the disputed Pak-Afghan border.

Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said,”we are settling back into a normal phase of cooperation with our Pakistani partners. And border coordination, we believe, is improving.”


US says its working with Pakistan, Afghanistan to curb border violence – The Express Tribune

I think they are working on intensifying cross border attacks. because we have heard these statements like zillions times before.

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The Americans are right to pursue their ‘perceived enemies’ across the borders using drones and what not. And as far as the elements targeting Pakistan are concerned, they wont touch them and not even allow Pakistan to take any action which they deem appropriate.

Nato condemns cross-border shelling into Afghanistan | DAWN.COM

**KABUL: Nato’s military force in Afghanistan has condemned cross-border shelling from Pakistan, after Kabul warned that it could significantly harm relations between the strife-torn neighbours.
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Afghanistan’s warning came on Sunday after officials said more than 300 heavy artillery shells and rockets were fired from Pakistan into Afghanistan’s eastern Kunar province over two days, killing at least four people.

Last month, a barrage of cross-border fire from Pakistan into Kunar forced thousands of villagers to flee their homes after Islamabad accused Kabul of protecting militants who infiltrated to kill 13 Pakistani soldiers.

Afghanistan and Pakistan typically blame each other for violence by Taliban militants plaguing both sides of their border, known as the Durand Line.

**Nato’s International Security Assistance Force “condemns the indirect fire attacks from across the Durand Line”, Isaf said in a statement late Wednesday.
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“We continue to work with the Afghan ministry of defence, and the Pakistan government to ensure an end of these attacks.”

Isaf welcomed the announcement by the Afghan foreign ministry that talks on the issue would be held soon between officials from both sides in Afghanistan’s eastern city of Jalalabad.

Pakistan on Sunday denied Afghanistan’s charge of cross-border shelling, calling it “incorrect”.

“Pakistani troops only respond to and engage militants from where they are attacked/fired upon,” said a senior military official in Islamabad.

Over the last year he said at least 15 cross-border attacks were carried out by militants against Pakistani check points and the civilian populations in northwestern towns of Dir and Chitral.

Nato has some 130,000 US-led troops in Afghanistan helping the government of President Hamid Karzai fight Taliban insurgents.