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hackle and jackle were good but one killed the other.

so there;s a risk of repulsive forces between similar creatures

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im guessing their point is simply that homosexual behavior also happens in other animals, not just humans. some ppl claim that homosexuality is "unnatural". as humans,we can control our desires unlike lower animals, but that doesn't mean that a homosexual can kill their desire for same sex. its just mind boggling how people assume that someone just chose to be gay when they could easily have been straight. whether a homosexual should act upon their desires is a separate issue.

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you have earned my respect!

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So if someone has no choice in having certain kind of personality, then regardless that personality or behavior is wrong, it should be considered good?

People do not become depressed or schizophrenic by choice. (These are merely examples of something people do not choose to have)

Not a good argument for nature's intention.

If this is considered to be the standard,... then a lot of people are born with a lot of genetic and physical problems or develop these problems while growing up.

Should we accept ALL those by saying that it was intended by nature?

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There is no support from me for discrimination or persecution of homosexuals based on their sexual orientation.
...as long as they are not deliberately trying to promote/force this behavior to others by various means.

Lots of homosexuals are very nice.. and people should not care if they are homosexuals while dealing with them.

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Book title: Life through gay's eyes
Author: bella 88
Launch date: very soon

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no one chooses to have mental or physical disorders, however, you cannot compare a disorder with sexual orientation. and if there were a 'cure' for it, I am sure everyone affected by it would try to cure it, most gays dont wish to be gay.
what is a gay person supposed to do? try to become straight when it's not something they can control?

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If this is considered to be the standard,... then a lot of people are born with a lot of genetic and physical problems or develop these problems while growing up.

Should we accept ALL those by saying that it was intended by nature?
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I dont understand what you mean by do we have to accept?
if a person is born with a defect or deformity, do we have a choice in not accepting?
if someone is gay, there is no way for them to cure it (atleast not so far). so what's the point in in this comparison?

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Lastly:

There is no support from me for discrimination or persecution of homosexuals based on their sexual orientation.
...as long as they are not deliberately trying to promote/force this behavior to others by various means.

Lots of homosexuals are very nice.. and people should not care if they are homosexuals while dealing with them.
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homosexuals in general dont force their behaviours, unless you mean rape which i m sure happens in homosexual community as well.

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Despite anyone denies; Homosexuality IS a disorder of mind....just like pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality.

It revolves around getting sexual or any intimate gratification from being engaged with a human being or object which is NOT really intended for that purpose.

Men are NOT made for men and women are NOT made for women for sexual gratification or intimacy. Period. End of story.

It is very clear concept. Try not to come with made up scenarios.

I meant accepting it to be right.

I agree defects by birth are not by choice, but just like homosexual behavior, they are not accepted to be good to have.

By forcing I mean making so much noise and forcing others to accept their behavior as good.

Again, I am not hating them, just saying the behavior is abnormal and wrong. Just like pedophilia, bestiality, being fetish to non-living object etc.

There is no discrimination or persecution which should be exercised against these people also...

Mere sympathy.

Yes, they can be molded to at least be engaged in heterosexual activities. They believe they are right WITHOUT any iota of proof, biological or scientific.

Its all in their brains they are normal and somehow they have been able to convince few powerful forces to agree with them by making noise everywhere.

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you cannot compare homosexuality to sexual/mental disorders that harmful to others. homosexuality is not an illness, but a variant of sexual orientation. straight people can have some weird erotic fetish as well, things that would seem very unnatural to some, but will they also be considered a disorder? not everyone has the same sexual expression. to call homosexuality an illness is rather derogatory, dont you think? especially when there is no way to 'treat' it. many psychologists have tried to come up with therapies, but none have been successful so far.

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Men are NOT made for men and women are NOT made for women for sexual gratification or intimacy. Period. End of story.
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is the purpose of sex only to procreate? most people do it for pleasure, not necessarily for reproduction. when people use birth control, sex is purely for pleasure and not procreation. how is that any different from homosexual sex which is also not for reproduction?
and if homosexuality is not a choice, then why does it matter whos made for who? thats like telling a blind person, eyes are for sight so they better try to use them.

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I agree defects by birth are not by choice, but just like homosexual behavior, they are not accepted to be good to have.
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who decides that it's not 'good'? if it's from a religious point of view, then no one can argue about that. however, if religious reasoning is not the factor, then there is nothing bad about it. it doesn't harm anyone.

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By forcing I mean making so much noise and forcing others to accept their behavior as good.
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again, who are others to accept or reject? everyone has a right to express themselves, whether they are gay or straight.

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Again, I am not hating them, just saying the behavior is abnormal and wrong. Just like pedophilia, bestiality, being fetish to non-living object etc.

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thats your opinion. again you cannot compare pedophilia which is involving an innocent child to homosexuality which involves consenting adults who have the right to live their life.

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Yes, they can be molded to at least be engaged in heterosexual activities. They believe they are right WITHOUT any iota of proof, biological or scientific.
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how can someone engage in a sexual activity that he is not sexually attracted to? if homosexuality is not a choice, then how can it be possible for them to change it? just like you cannot imagine being with a man, they cannot imagine being with a woman. would you be able to mold your orientation??
right and wrong are a matter of opinion, your opinions dont have to match theirs. biologically, they are not wrong, they have a variant sexual orientation. would i be considered wrong if i were born deaf or blind?

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Its all in their brains they are normal and somehow they have been able to convince few powerful forces to agree with them by making noise everywhere.
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you really seem to be bothered by their 'noise'. care to explain what you mean by that? for centuries they have been persecuted and discriminated against, which they still are. how is discrimination against them any different from racial discrimination? no one chooses to be short, tall, white, black, gay, straight.

if they are allowed legally to get married in certain states and countries, is that considered noise?

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Who is bestiality harmful to?

But it is still not allowed in many countries...including those who allow homosexuality.

Can you give me any logical reason for calling it animal abuse?

Legally yes, logically not.

My point is that these kind of acts are unnatural and based purely on skewed sexual desire.

Come on admit the obvious..... Men are not made for men and women are not made for women to enjoy sex.

P.S. I am not proposing any discrimination or persecution (or religious laws here) for the last time so can you quit talking about it now???

I am not even proposing bestiality as right thing to do. Clear enough?

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animal cannot give consent. you can possibly cause pain in the animal for the sake of your own sexual desires, therefore it can be viewed as harmful.

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Legally yes, logically not.

My point is that these kind of acts are unnatural and based purely on skewed sexual desire.

Come on admit the obvious..... Men are not made for men and women are not made for women to enjoy sex.
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So when a heterosexual couple uses birth control, isnt the sex purely just for desire and not for reproduction. according to your logic, purpose of sex is reproduction, right, and thats why anything between 2 males doesn't serve a reproductive function hence 'unnatural'. using that logic, all forms of sex that dont produce an offspring is 'unnatural', including birthcontrol, oral sex, masturbation, even foreplay really. no purpose behind that other than pleasure.
who is to decide whos made for whom? if your reasoning is religious, then you are 100% right. but if not religious then im afraid there can be other possibilities. ac

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P.S. I am not proposing any discrimination or persecution (or religious laws here) for the last time so can you quit talking about it now???

I am not even proposing bestiality as right thing to do. Clear enough?
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You mentioned something about 'noise' that they are making which is wrong? i didn't understand what you meant by noise. is asking for marriage equality rights considered the annoying noise you meant?

bestiality = sex with animal that cannot consent, possible physical damage and pain to an animal.
homosexuality = sex with an adult who has given consent, causes no harm to them.

alot of research has been done on homosexuality and MOST psychologist and scientists have not found it to be a choice. being straight is not a choice either. it's your choice whether you want to act upon your desire.

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Let me know how much of the scientific research you need to prove a man's body is not meant for another man. And a woman's body is not compatible with a woman.

May I with utmost humbleness suggest you take biology course?

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if you are going to talk about biology, perhaps you need to learn some biology yourself as there is plenty of scientific studies that show homosexuality is due to genetic and biological factors, and it's definitely NOT a choice. you did not choose to be heterosexual, no one chooses their sexual orientation, and that is something proven by many psychologist, psychiatrist and scientists. this behavior has been present for thousands of years, since the very early humans, even before we were actually humans, (before the time of homo-sapiens).
homosexuality is a normal variant of sexual orientation, according to most biologists and scientists. so if you want to talk biology, there you go.
and even if lets suppose, it is indeed a an abnormality, what is a gay person supposed to do? pretend to be straight and live a heterosexual life?

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guys enjoy the joke, the last line.
Biologists=evolutionists
So honey didnt miss "evolution train". Ya shawn

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n this question isnt for bella.
If homosexuality is a genetic trait rather disorder, then why has there been such drastic increase in the percentage. Yes i know about population increase and people being more open about disclosing their choices. But despite all the corelations the rate has very much spiked compared to the past. Why? Use of Canola oil in cooking?

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it has increased because people are coming out more. today it is much more accepted in western countries, therefore people donot have to hide it. gays have existed from the time of early humans, its even mentioned in the holy scriptures.

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That is the reason! People are more tolerant of homosexuals and other genders.

However, there's no doubt that it has led to more experimenting and it has somewhat become a trend. I don't agree with that as it tampers with the rights of legit homosexuals. I am all about gay rights and gay marriages but I hate the fact that people think that they NEED to experiment to know whether they are gay or not. You would know if were gay with or without experimenting.

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@bella lols. Lame. You didnt read my posts carefully? Doesnt matter even.
From evolution now you have moved over to holy scriptures. Lols.
Time wasting arguing with....

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it's obvious that you haven't read any of my post at all. i gave example of holy scripture to show that homosexuality was happening back in the day when the holy scriptures were written as it's mentioned that the cities of sodom and gomorrah were punished for it. so it's definetly not a new 'epidemic'. it has always been around, just seen more now because its a bit more tolerated and accepted.
just use some common sense here: if you knew that being openly gay would mean persecution or a loss of job or other form of discrimination, would you ever declare it? of course not. but now that it's more and more accepted and that there are laws to protect their rights, gay people have less reasons to hide it. But even now many people hide it for a long time

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bella u like going in circles and bringing up points that nobody talked about. Good for u.Nobody denied their existence in the past. You jump into arguments/threads writing whatever the views you have and when you see people diagreeing with it you, you start toning down your words and backtracking. Learn to stick to your point and not swinging like a pendulum.

I said despite people being more open about it, the rate still seems pretty high. 3.4percent is the lowest rate out of the rest rough estimates i found on america, yes those who want and love to drag in pakistan, hi how r u, we are talking about countries with gay rights,ok tc bye. 3.4per makes 1 out of every 29 adults a gay. Do you(not bella, useless as it is) think in the past, even if people had been vocal about it, the ratio would still have been this high just alone in states. If yes, then well.

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actually thats something you've been doing in nearly all the threads. not just that but you seem to be attacking me constantly me because you simply disagree. you can keep attacking me, i could care less.

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I said despite people being more open about it, the rate still seems pretty high. 3.4percent is the lowest rate out of the rest rough estimates i found on america, yes those who want and love to drag in pakistan, hi how r u, we are talking about countries with gay rights,ok tc bye. 3.4per makes 1 out of every 29 adults a gay. Do you(not bella, useless as it is) think in the past, even if people had been vocal about it, the ratio would still have been this high just alone in states. If yes, then well.
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I did not bring pakistan here, people have hard time believing there is heterosexuals having sex or even date in pakistan, if i ever bring up gays amongs pakistanis, i would probably get chewed alive here. i have been talking about the 'west'.
But even in US the acceptance towards gays and their lifestyle has increased. Were gay people accepted in US as much as they are now? even in US, gay marriage was totally unheard of until even 10 years ago. even now many states have not legalized it.

Back in the day, anything sexual was always a taboo subject(im talking about US), even heterosexual sex without marriage was considered a horrible thing and taboo, so can you imagine how taboo the subject of homosexuality would have been? US has come a long way in secularism and civil rights, things were not always like this.
not only that, but also with the internet and media being much more efficient, there is more news about these things as well. back in the day, the media was much less so you wouldn't hear as much things as we hear now. recently there was one gay discrimination case in Arizona, the whole country finds out within days. this wasn't possible back in the day. So how do you know how many gays were in US or Europe back in the day when media was not so efficient and accessible? there is not just more acceptance now, but also news traveling much faster and to everyone.