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I’ll just leave this here
waits for trollers and others to deny deny deny and post their conspiracy theories here
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Pakwomen, i so agree with you!
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Well Pakwoman you can’t do anything about that. I know what you’re talking about and I’ve seen people with those attitudes but as you said, its a minority. Wherever there is a position, there will always be multiple sides to it. And there’s people in Pakistan who hate on Overseas Pakistanis. I’m sure you must have heard dismissive remarks yourself. You get my point right? 
You must understand one thing though, people criticize things because they do care. All of us are entitled to complain because we love Pakistan, our little niche in this big wide world formed with blood, tears and determination. If someone criticizes and offers a positive POV then listen to that person because they care. We want to be able to visit our homeland and enjoy our time there in peace and without stress.
One thing though… If any Overseas Pakistanis don’t actually do anything to affect the country positively, they need to stop being hypocritical. You want to complain and whine? Then do something that can help your country and then by all means you can participate in the debates about Pakistan. If you don’t want to step up, step down. Its as simple as that.
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We still don’t make the Top 100 in the Most Suicides List. I think that’s an achievement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate#List
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^true that........as i said....... if someone uses 'THEY" excessively...instead of 'US/WE'........it kinda shows ..:D
an example is this...
We still don't make the Top 100 in the Most Suicides List. I think that's an achievement
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I was talking about Pakistan 
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:mirch:…bro..u used ‘we’ for pakistan…which means ur the good guy 
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GDISA if it was only about criticism - it is acceptable but to look down on someone, as you can see from some of the replies, should this be acceptable? And I don’t think Pakistanis living here hate on overseas Pakistanis, maybe the Americans in general (there’s a whole propaganda behind that and even then literate people can think and decide for themselves). The truth is, overseas Pakistanis are given a lot of importance and respect when they come to visit here by their relatives and other people etc. Which again IMO is strange because our people start giving them so much more importance just because they came from abroad. You know the mehman-nawazi trends here… But at least they don’t look down on them… there’s a huge difference between the two attitudes.
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@ Nomi - I’ve always identified myself as a Pakistani, you know how much I love that place 
@ Pakwoman - I don’t agree with looking down on anyone and agreed, its unacceptable. And that was my point, not all Pakistanis hate OPs and not all OPs hate Pakistan. That was what I was going for, that minorities in both group will look down on the other. Hospitality is part of our culture but thinking someone is better just because they’re OPs is pretty is silly. The lifestyle in Pakistan is incredible and I love it.
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The lifestyle in Pakistan is incredible and I love it.
phew Glad someone said it!
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@ Nomi - I've always identified myself as a Pakistani, you know how much I love that place
i was praising your use of 'we' man!!!! obviously i know that :D
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Ye Watan Tumhara Hai, Tum Ho Paasban Hai Iske
Haha I know bro
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imma waiting for my chai to cool down so i’m posting
maybe that’s cuz our self-inflected wounds are so half-hearted that they just injure us 
to the OP or whoever is reading this.
There is plenty of b!tching about pakistan that goes on IN pakistan. i’m going to be the first one who is going to roll their eyes at them, and tell them to shut up and do something instead of living their upper-middle class lifestyles and not doing anything. however, i find if absolutely hilarious that when there is an overseas pakistani pointing out something about pakistan, the one inside pakistan will all of a sudden get suddenly defensive about things. “nahin nahin, tumhain kya pata, tum to bahar baitho ho. yahan kya hota hai, you will never know. blah blah blah” it’s like, all of a sudden, the sh!t smells like roses. because no one, and i mean NO one around the world, who calls himself pakistani will deny that everything in pakistan is just perfect. everyone they know, including themselves, has had seen something, or has been through some serious crap when they go to the motherland. but why is that if someone who can genuinely see the difference points something out, they are called as traitors?
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We still beat that list
I agree with you there meri Murghi but I think what the OP is going for is the people who just ***** and moan rather than try and add some positivity to the nation 
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all the criticim is positivity man 
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omg the chai ka mugga is stuck to the dabba! i’m afraid to force it to unstick :S
Gidsa, no no I see where the OP is coming from. i’ve seen it before. they think that people outside do nothing but moan and whine about things. because they seem to think they’re better than everyone else. i doubt that’s the case. maybe it is…who knows. but people outside are just as passionate about what’s happening inside, maybe even more so. they’re trying to uphold the “pakistaniat” perhaps more so than people inside pakistan, when they’re more than happy to follow bollywood and amreeka. how do the people inside of pakistan know that outsiders aren’t doing anything? aren’t they guilt of assuming things too?
thing is, if someone is going to b!tch about things, they will complain about them, regardless of their geographical location. others needs to realize that they’re also the bad guys, not just A or B.
and it’s Miss Murgi to you 
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Pak expats are not better than any of the people living in Pakistan, or even any other third-worlder in general.
They should not sit outside the country criticizing it and saying how it’s such a hell because it simply is not, it is all fantastic, everything is just absolutely peachy, and people who live there are working day and night in every way to improve it and the results just show all that.
They don’t do anything themselves to help, even the forex they send back really means nothing to the country. Instead they criticize the people who are at least *trying *to do something for their country and have been so successful at making it a trailblazing country which is an investment hub, a technology powerhouse a great tourist destination all rolled into one.
They also should not have the imagery of the people living here - like these poor, hungry, illiterate, jahil, close-minded, smelly idiots. literacy levels are sky high, no one is below poverty line, and there is simply no ethnic, sectarian, religious, tribal, caste based jahalat there.
I am also very confused at why anyone would think that way.
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i think there r weirdos everywhere. there r pakis here in usa who just arrived like 5 yrs ago. and act like they don't know any urdu. i on the other hand been here in usa for over 30 yrs and proudly tell people i know urdu and punjabi fluenltly. i understand the fob syndrom here in the usa. but someone please try to explain the confused pakis in pakistan. they r living in pakistan and act like they were born in paris. (while they never stepped out of pak). i know teenage girls only wear jeans even around the house in pak. and they speak english with their parents. and they only talk about indian bollywood and hollywood movies. i just want to say these kind of people have complex problems. they r ashamed to be pakistanis living in pakistan. and for those living outside pakistan also have same problem which is called comlex. and i am not talking about ALL pakistanis . its a minority. but they exist.
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I agree the attitude about looking down on people is uncalled for but to say that any kind of criticism is unwarranted is being naive. Pakistan has a lot of problems and unless people question things and criticize, nothing will change. That said, there is a fine line between criticism and looking down on others.
And yes, the lifestyle in Pakistan is different but only a minority enjoys it and they live comfortably off the majority who are very poor. This happens all over the world (even in Europe and North America) but most poor people in the first world, provided their home life is stable, can pull themselves up to middle class or even upper middle class. This is very hard to do in Pakistan and it's mostly because of corruption in the government and not because of the people.
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I am sure there are such cases as you mentioned above which are a source of pride for all Pakistanis. And no these aren’t based on assumptions. As you can see from many of the replies, such cases are there.
So according to your logic, an overseas Pakistani has the right to tell someone living in Pakistan, that you aren’t doing enough for your country. What if I ask him/her what are you doing for your country - why shouldn’t this question apply to them as well…?
I have experienced this looking down attitude directly. If you’re discussing some other issue and you confront them with something which they don’t want to answer, they use this card - telling you what a ****-hole of a country you live in. And then it’s ‘your country’ cz now I am a British or an American or whatever. So you see it’s not mere passionate innocent criticism all the time.