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We have an infatuation with everything arabic and as far as ABCDs go, they go to schools that have arabic influence since saudis do pump in a lot of money to spread their ideology. A lot of desis also come through the gulf route and it is not abnormal for them to know arabic ways just like we follow some western traditions without even realizing it here.
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yabadabadoo 
Sorry, I’m beyond confused.
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What about overseas Pakistanis who are trying to adopt a Pseudo Pakistani identity? I mean dude..give it up already..yer gramps came for jaranwala, you a re a brit and have never even been to pakistan except for khala qudsia's girl's wedding when you were four..so why do u consider yourself more Pakistani than British...buncha wankers
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I hate people who speak Urdu with an American twang, so pretentious.
do you also hate people who speak english with an urdu/punjabi/sindhi/pashto/baluchi twang?
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After reading the article true meanings of ABCD have dawned upon me. Actually one has to be beyond confused if he is listening to arabic music in car!
some people appreciate good music from around the world.
I guess listening to gypsy kings is out too then :(
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This isn't true for everyone, but I notice some Pakistanis dislike others who don't live up to their standards when it comes to patriotism. Why not let people be what they want to be, pseudo arab or what not.
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what about pseudo pseudo arabs, u know, ppl who try to act like people who try to act like arabs...
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To begin with in Islam there is no concept of nationality and boundary. and besides ALLAH SWT wont gonna punish if one mix urdu with english, punjabi and Ku. Today this giant globe is denoted as "global village" for reason because we all are not living in Lucknow anymore, neither it takes 6month or an year to travel to England, and neither in England people speak Shakespearean english any more. World has contracted and every thing jumbled up into a giant avalanche of information, where everyone is dragged into its storm.
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It was a nice read but I think the author is/was confused hence his idea of pseudo 'arabism'. I am very proud of my Pakistani heritage, speak both urdu and punjabi but would love to learn arabic so I could understand Quran better. I also live in a very highly arab populated town so I have picked up some words from them is that to say I'm being pseudo? I say wudu and fard instead of wuzu and farz. There are many parts of pakistani and arab culture that are not aligned with Islam so I don't see a reason why we should not try to avoid them. It all comes down to intention if someone is deliberately trying to be fake or they just happen to be exposed to things and they end up adapting to it.
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Meaning to ask this for a long time. What is SWT? I realize it represent something Holy.
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SWT is short for Subhanahu wa taala (its arabic). I believe the meaning is something along the lines of The glorified and exalted. It's only used for Allah (SWT) and not for prophets.
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What about overseas Pakistanis who are trying to adopt a Pseudo Pakistani identity? I mean dude..give it up already..yer gramps came for jaranwala, you a re a brit and have never even been to pakistan except for khala qudsia's girl's wedding when you were four..so why do u consider yourself more Pakistani than British...buncha wankers
I was not born in Pakistan and i do consider myself more Pakistani than Brit (lets say i am from UK).
Wank wank ke wanking...
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So the people who have some interest in their Arab roots are no different.
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How can you have arab roots if you are not arab to begin with?
I guess I better hash up my arabic for my arab roots from some generations back.
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In the case of Muslims living in the West, it's got a lot to do with the recent drive towards establishing our identity as Muslims rather than someone pertaining to a certain race, country, tribe etc.
That's got a lot to do with all that attention and focus on Muslims especially within the past decade and increase in Islamophobia in general. There has just been more intermingling between Muslim races now. A lot of people have started to realize that it's not actually where you are from, but your identity as a Muslim that matters now. Your culture isn't anything but the way you live your social life, food, language, music, clothing.
This change doesn't just apply to some Pakistani kids listening to Nancy ajram and using a few words of arabic here and there in their everyday life, I also see some of my arab/somali friends wear shalwar kameez now and then and asking me recipes for making biryani or kabuli palao. A lot of them are big fans of Bollywood too.
I think it's nice to see things blending in a little. It doesn't mean they're losing their identity or are confused.
As far as learning arabic in itself is concerned, i think nowadays, a lot of Muslims are sending their kids off to Islamic Schools where Arabic is taught as a second language, also a lot of colleges and high schools require you to take a year of second language and Arabic is listed on most of their curriculum, Urdu isn't. Most Muslims just end up opting for that class. I think that's where I picked what little Arabic I can speak from.
because I see Hispanic people...in their teens/20s and they don't have the American accent when they speak Spanish...at least I don't detect it.
I've heard they have strong accents and it doesn't go very well with the Native speakers. It's probably just a little hard for us to detect but I've heard it's fairly common and they're generally given a hard time and made fun of for their accents when they go back home just like we do for our urdu.:)
Reminds me of my Aunt who lives in the US...and her kids have grown up here. I don't understand why her eldest child speaks Urdu with the correct accent and the subsequent children don't.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I have seen that A lot! What I think is that for a while, the eldest kid being the only child, is mostly interacting with only his parents at home and they will speak to that kid in their native language, which he has a pretty decent grasp on until the child is sent off the school and picks up on English and starts speaking it instead. Most of the parents stop caring for enforcing their native languages by then and when the subsequent kids are born, they now have elder sibs who speak English and end up preferring it over Urdu. Even if some parents are strict about it and only speak their native language, the children will still speak English when they're by themselves because most of the stuff they're exposed to (cartoons, games etc) are also in English and now they have someone else to speak it with at home.
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i don't know about any pakistanis trying to adopt a pseudo arab identity.
But most pakistanis do try to distance themselves from the hindu scum and that is understandable because we are first and foremost muslims and any other identity is secondry.
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i don't know about any pakistanis trying to adopt a pseudo arab identity.
But most pakistanis do try to distance themselves from the hindu scum and that is understandable because we are first and foremost muslims and any other identity is secondry.
So why complain about Islamophobia when you have no problem referring to Hindus as scum?
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How can you have arab roots if you are not arab to begin with?
I guess I better hash up my arabic for my arab roots from some generations back.
hey man, all I know is that if someone had arab ancestors 4-5 generations ago and he wants to connect with that identity, more power to him, and if thats not kosher then why get on the cases of brits and yanks of Pakistani background who are not well versed in the culture of their grandparents? lets be consistent
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i don't know about any pakistanis trying to adopt a pseudo arab identity.
But most pakistanis do try to distance themselves from the hindu scum and that is understandable because we are first and foremost muslims and any other identity is secondry.
tsk tsk..thats not very muslim of you
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hey man, all I know is that if someone had arab ancestors 4-5 generations ago and he wants to connect with that identity, more power to him, and if thats not kosher then why get on the cases of brits and yanks of Pakistani background who are not well versed in the culture of their grandparents? lets be consistent
I can bet that knowing urdu / punjabi and actually being immersed in that culture like in the arab culture is something different. Now, I am glad to hear few words of Urdu from my native cousins here, but I seriously don't give two thoughts if they don't think like me as they are first and foremost the citizens of the country they are born in. It is more disturbing that people believe they are doing a good deed (being "islamic") by following arab culture just like it is thought that wearing a burka makes one a much much better muslim than one wears a hijab only.