Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

[nikhil25]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

Nikhil bhai, It depends on who will force me to answer at gunpoint.

• If, it is Sarkar, then Dawood will be with his wife at that moment. (Like Salman was once quoted to be with her)
• If I am subjected to gunpoint by agencies, then Dawood will be hiding himself in factories of Iraq that were developing weapons of mass destruction.
• If I am subjected to gunpoint by you, then who is Dawood? He don’t live with me. (bang)

umer bhai,

Allah has undoubtedly bestowed upon you the gift of humor, but i sense that you have used it here to avoid my simple question. haina?

Without a gun point, I don’t have any idea where is Dawood, but I am made to believe by agencies and media that he is residing in Pakistan. I am very keen to meet him. Can some one post his address here? Please.

your wish is my command, umer bhai.

Moin Palace, 2nd Floor, opposite Abdullah Shah Gazi Dargah, Clifton, Karachi

"The US Treasury has put Dawood Ibrahim on its global terrorist list linking him to Al-Qaeda and listed his address as Karachi and said he was holding a Pakistani passport. "

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

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@nikhil25

umer bhai,
your wish is my command, umer bhai.

Moin Palace, 2nd Floor, opposite Abdullah Shah Gazi Dargah, Clifton, Karachi

"The US Treasury has put Dawood Ibrahim on its global terrorist list linking him to Al-Qaeda and listed his address as Karachi and said he was holding a Pakistani passport. "

Nikhil bhai,

Can I find Dawood Ibrahim at this address? Or is it your address?

[anjjan]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

umer.asharf..are you sure why did you start this thread? Your earlier statement really astonished me that Dawood actually did something good for Muslims. Later you have changed your stand.

Nikhil has given you one Karachi address of Dawood Ibrahim. In fact in some Indian Newspapers two of his addresses were printed both of Karachi.
So, first go and check, let us know if you don’t find him.

Just for your information, some in inner Indian circle say that at an earlier stage Dawood Ibrahim was an informer of RAW.

[maihu_don]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

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Nikhil bhai,

Can I find Dawood Ibrahim at this address? Or is it your address?

try searching gupshup … for articles published in pakistani magzine newsline …

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@anjjan

umer.asharf..are you sure why did you start this thread? Your earlier statement really astonished me that Dawood actually did something good for Muslims. Later you have changed your stand.

Nikhil has given you one Karachi address of Dawood Ibrahim. In fact in some Indian Newspapers two of his addresses were printed both of Karachi.
So, first go and check, let us know if you don’t find him.

Just for your information, some in inner Indian circle say that at an earlier stage Dawood Ibrahim was an informer of RAW.

anjjan bhai, this thread is dedicated in general to negative politics as is oblivious from its title, but specifically it is about two of its biggest examples in India, known as Daud Ibrahim (Don) and Bal Thackery (Sarkar).

I never intentionally said in this thread that Dawn has done some thing good and have not changed my stand till now. Here is a summary:

• Don and Sarkar may have different background, career path and approach but they are all the same, traitors for India.
• Don has done for Muslims what Sarkar has done for Hindus in India, but in different ways.
• If Sarkar is a role model then Don is at least as good as Sarkar.
• On the other hand if Don is a criminal then Sarkar is at least as much a criminal.
• Both Sarkar and Don must be subjected to severe punishments, or both must be left out free to do whatever they want.
• In a broader term: “Negative politics must either be banned for all, or it must be practicable for all.” and no one must be punished for it on political bases.

No body (or at least I) will never find Don at any address in Pakistan, that is my word, and I am definite about that. Any ways I will try to check. I really need to meet him any way. Do pray for me.

Yes, it is not strange to find out that Don was working for Raw, he is an Indian and Indians do work for Raw. Now, what is surprising is that I have reports of Sarkar working for ISI at some stage of his life. Many patriotic people from India believe that mosques in India were destroyed by Sarkar and his pony-tailed Hindus as a result of direct orders from ISI. There is no need to mention that I have spent a long and unforgettable time with Indian friends, I guess. (over 7 years)

[maihu_don]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

…Many patriotic people from India believe that mosques in India were destroyed by Sarkar and his pony-tailed Hindus as a result of direct orders from ISI…

My suggestion to you is that you should start reading and exploring things rathere than being fooled by other for over 7 years. Besides that i also expect you to enlighten us about pakistani politics and your great leaders. ALso your concerns for indian politics are strange and unexpected … when you have a screwed political system …

If you want to meet DON you will need to get permission from your ISI chief … As i told posted earlier he is pakistani state guest …

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@maihu_don

My suggestion to you is that you should start reading and exploring things rathere than being fooled by other for over 7 years. Besides that i also expect you to enlighten us about pakistani politics and your great leaders. ALso your concerns for indian politics are strange and unexpected … when you have a screwed political system …

If you want to meet DON you will need to get permission from your ISI chief … As i told posted earlier he is pakistani state guest …

People only talk about things they read in news or listen on radio or watch on TV. I still remember many Indian newspapers and magazines claiming that about Sarkar. Dawood Ibrahim was blamed in a very similar way, but as he is a Muslim so he is also expected to be hosted by ISI in Pakistan. Pakistani officials have even never invited me, why they will invite Don.

[maihu_don]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

… but as he is a Muslim

this is worst kind of argument … when you have nothing to say, you are back to basic he is a muslim …

why dont you comment on pakistani politicians … or there is no one left …

[anjjan]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

umer.ashraf...the way you are repeating one and the same thing while stressing on negative politics.......would you like to confess that the politics of Pakistan has been negative since independance?
I want to know how much genuine are your observations.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@maihu_don

this is worst kind of argument … when you have nothing to say, you are back to basic he is a muslim …

Sorry, I wrote it in speed, here is a more general way to describe situation:

As Sarkar is a Hindu, so he is hosted in India and he is even allowed to run his party, a party that makes pony-tailed Hindus emotional and then use them to destroy mosques and other properties and to kill Muslims. Since Don is a Muslim, so Sarkar and Indian think tanks assume that ISI and Pakistan will be hosting him as well. But where is he? Why can’t I meet him.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

anjjan bhai,

This is a sheer dedicated thread to Sarkar and Don. Please only discuss them. I am a big fan of theirs. They have devoted their lives for their missions. They fight for their nations. People like you and me can just do one thing and that is :Salute: .

Please start some thread and let's discuss there about Pakistan. As for a general view, I am even disappointed when I see well-educated and well-mannered persons not interested in politics, whether in India or in Pakistan. I have never found a single reasonable person who ever thought of leading his/her country. Politics is as bad a profession in sub continent as is prostitution. It is a family business or only people like Don and Sarkar may think of being a politician.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

^^
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=189891

[anjjan]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

Sorry, I wrote it in speed, here is a more general way to describe situation:

As Sarkar is a Hindu, so he is hosted in India and he is even allowed to run his party, a party that makes pony-tailed Hindus emotional and then use them to destroy mosques and other properties and to kill Muslims. Since Don is a Muslim, so Sarkar and Indian think tanks assume that ISI and Pakistan will be hosting him as well. But where is he? Why can’t I meet him.

Umer…in the beginning you assumed as if you come from some intellectual class. But ultimately you have exposed that you run not very far from a general Pakistani.

I will be thankful to you if you show me when Bal Thhakre has incited Hindus to destroy mosques and kill Muslims?
As per my information he has asked Hindus to get united against the pseudo-secularism and fight for their rights.
And I want to inform you that the riots in Bombay (1993) were started by Muslims. Refresh your knowledge first!

If you have love for a Don for a simple reason that he is a Muslim, you are welcome to open as much as threads in his honor, but dont drag an Indian politician into it.

[nikhil25]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

Sorry, I wrote it in speed, here is a more general way to describe situation:

As Sarkar is a Hindu, so he is hosted in India and he is even allowed to run his party, a party that makes pony-tailed Hindus emotional and then use them to destroy mosques and other properties and to kill Muslims. Since Don is a Muslim, so Sarkar and Indian think tanks assume that ISI and Pakistan will be hosting him as well. But where is he? Why can’t I meet him.

you are portraying the difference between them as simply being that one is hindu, and the other is muslim…and that must be why Thackeray is living in India, and Dawood is hiding.

you have forgotten the more important point…and that is that Dawood never penetrated the political arena, whereas Thackeray did that immediately. without having a hand in politics, you have no power…and that was seen as Dawood had to flee instead of sit comfortably with politicans/policemen in his backpocket (like Thackeray).

it was Dawood’s blunder not to make moves in politics…that is why everything went wrong for him. Thackeray was smart enough to get the power first.

either way, i agree that both are traitors to India and both should be eliminated.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@anjjan

……………
Just for your information, some in inner Indian circle say that at an earlier stage Dawood Ibrahim was an informer of RAW.

@umer.ashraf

Yes, it is not strange to find out that Don was working for Raw, he is an Indian and Indians do work for Raw.)

@maihu_don

If you want to meet DON you will need to get permission from your ISI chief … As i told posted earlier he is pakistani state guest …

@maihu_don

this is worst kind of argument … when you have nothing to say, you are back to basic he is a muslim …
why dont you comment on pakistani politicians … or there is no one left …

@umer.ashraf

…….. but as he (Don) is a Muslim so he is also expected to be hosted by ISI in Pakistan. Pakistani officials have even never invited me, why they will invite Don.

@maihu_don

this is worst kind of argument … when you have nothing to say, you are back to basic he is a muslim …

@umer.ashraf

Sorry,…
As Sarkar is a Hindu, so he is hosted in India and he is even allowed to run his party, a party that makes pony-tailed Hindus emotional and then use them to destroy mosques and other properties and to kill Muslims. Since Don is a Muslim, so Sarkar and Indian think tanks assume that ISI and Pakistan will be hosting him as well. But where is he? Why can’t I meet him.

@anjjan

Umer…in the beginning you assumed as if you come from some intellectual class. But ultimately you have exposed that you run not very far from a general Pakistani.
…….
If you have love for a Don for a simple reason that he is a Muslim, you are welcome to open as much as threads in his honor, but dont drag an Indian politician into it.

Anjjan bhai,
It is not good to conclude on some things while ignoring what was under discussion. Intellectualism is one thing; criticism with no reason is another.

Don and Sarkar must have put to sever punishment if I was ever able to rule India or they both must be allowed to live freely.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

Nikhil bhai

Please read ^^.

I am not saying that Dawood is a Muslim so he can't live in India. People are amused if some one tells them that Dawood may have worked for Raw. Can you justify this?

I am repeating it right from the start that Dawood made a big mistake by not starting his very own political party. People like Don and Sarkar are either claimed criminals by the government or they must try to be a part of the government.
Yes both of them must be subjected to severe punishments.

[anjjan]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

Nikhil....When Shiv Sena was in power in Maharashtra, can you inform me the statistics how many Muslims were harrased or their property was snatched?

The fact is that to acusse Hindus in India is a mode of progressivism. Our semi-educated media is afraid of blaming Muslims just for not be declared associated with RSS.

Thhakre is communal because he talks in favor of Hindus, but a Paswan is secular when he carries a Bin Laden look-like to attract the Muslim voters.

[umer.ashraf]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

If accusing Hindus in India is a way to progress, why not someone accuses good politicians, why it has to be Sarkar? He has at least as much blood and destruction on his hands as Don has.

Semi-educated Media might be afraid to blame Muslims or they might not be, as they do blame gangsters like Don who cause real threat. But Indian government and authorities don't have enough power and control to take free and legal actions against Sarkar as they have taken against Don. Don is just one example of what can happen to you in Asia if you don't have enough political support or control, while Sarkar is a good example of how blind political power can be used.

If Don is in Pakistan why he is so afraid to meet me

[umer.ashraf]

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Dawood Ibrahim, the son of a police constable, is believed to have started his career in Bombay with Karim Lala gang. If the children of constables turn out to be gangsters then this is a challenge and consciousness for Indian government, law-enforcing authorities. This indicates that some thing bad is really going on.

It is a common practice to blame Pakistan or ISI for this. But this is just a bad explanation as most problems are home grown and they can have severe outcome.

The ongoing carnage of innocent Muslims is enough to indicate that the gravest threat to peace in India and in sub continent is not Dawood or Islamic revival but it is Hindu xenophobia practiced and spread by many political parties and leaders mainly Bal Thackery.

**The poignant episode of Gujrat and since then gross (mis) handling of the chain of events by state, central and now lately judicial authorities is enough to reveal what’s going on in India. **

Apparently, Indians are unable to understand that the popularity of “leaders” like …Bal Thackery, and the enormous breakthrough of their fascist agenda have rendered the complicity of Pakistan, if there was any, redundant by now. Quite simple, is there any role left for the dreaded ISI to play when even mainstream middle class Hindus are lynching, burning and maiming religious minorities in India?

Yeah, I mean mainstream Indians – barring some grand exceptions – with their electoral endorsement of the main organizers of the pogrom, if not through active participation. I would never commit a great sin by not commending, acknowledging those few who did whatever they could to save Muslims, sometimes at the peril of their own safety. However, by any account, those who play havoc with human lives vastly outnumber benign angels. How else one can explain the landslide victory of Modi & Co in the immediate aftermath of Gujarat?

Waqar Talib
http://www.satribune.com/archives/jul20_26_03/opinion_debate.htm

Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackery must co exists, for the benefits of India and its people. Or both of them and their gangs must be punished severely for a broad and long lasting benefit.

[maihu_don]

Re: Outcome of negative politics: Dawood Ibrahim and Bal Thackeray

@umer.ashraf

… It is a common practice to blame Pakistan or ISI for this. But this is just a bad explanation as most problems are home grown and they can have severe outcome.

No point in discussing this point any more … pl gives your conclusions on this topic so that we can follow them … if you want we van even allow your icon dawood to start a political party in india … but pl ask your ISI to release him from his duties …

Thank you for enlightment …

any ways i plan to write today to maharashtra CM to hang SARAKAR …so that your icon can be happy , you and all ppl like you will be happy …

I hope this is going to pacify you …

I hope you wont allow others to fool you for a long period (7 years .. too much) … it will have its effects … I pray god to help you to come out of this stage of unstability …