What Pakistan actually got out of Kargil adventure?
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i've been planning on asking Nawaz Sharif...if ever i meet him that is.
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Kargil was misadventure of Pak Govt and army. What Pakistan actually achived politically or geographically......
It is a political issue....why this thread is transfered to 'Military and Strategic Issues' from Pak forum?
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Ask Musharraf, he is the mastermind.
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As bad as it was for India - losing hundreds of soliders and young officers, it was a disaster for Pakistan.
Kargil established for the first time the sanctity of the LoC to the international community.
History will show that Kargil was the move by Pakistan which led to the final solution of Kashmir long the LoC.
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Kargil didnt involve as much politics, economics or drawing room diplomacy as it involved flesh and blood, bullets and bombs. obviously it coukd be studied from a wide variety of angles, if you had wanted the political angle only and know what Pakistan actually achived politically or geographically… you should have stated so in your initial posts. in any case, it was an armed operation, a full fledged military and strategic phenomenon; so that’s what covers most detail on it.
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true, he was the mastermind and Nawaz Sharif supported it all the way, he endorsed it with all his might, it was only later that he abandoned the operation half way through and left the entire country, Mushaarraf and army included, bewildered. as far as planning is concerned, it was a mastermind plan…had we not had a person like Nawaz, the outcome may have been different…and yes, it later did spell massive disaster for both sides, no winners emerged.
regarding what pakistan gained out of it? the plan was pulled off and never allowed to be fully implemented to the end and so whatever the objectives may have been were obviously not achieved, militarily or politically, which leaves all the more room for ridicule. for the sake of records though, the plan was to take over the objective areas (which both sides claim rightfully belong to them)through taking advantage of strategic loops created by the other side and later use force as reqd.
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Well it left a soring wound on India, which as we see has not healed to this day. 
Kargil internationalised the Kashmir dispute, forced India to talk to Pakistan over it, and discuss it’s final staus with us - and with none other than Musharraf as well . Due to Kargil the LOC is being “softened”, and eventually melted away in the snows of the valley, while all the time India is compromising it’s total sovereignty over the territory.
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Raza true :k:
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dont tell me you think Indian army didnt have any killed wounded or abandoned while retreating…
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Reza..well said that India got afraid because of Kargil and agreed to all terms and conditions. a pakistani has no option but to beleive this theory.
Haris....India asked your forces to collect the dead bodies of your soldiers but your Govt rejected. Your Govt could not accept that the deads were from your armed forces.
I think after four years of war your Govt decided to honour some of them. Is it not a matter of shame?
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**Do you anything to support the above statement or just hawa me teer chala diya.
I mean atleast explain what makes you say so.
*Kashmir was already called nuclear flashpoint before kargil happened. kargil just forced pak to come to the negotiation table.
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or was it the other way round…? Pakistan had always been asking for dialogue on Kashmir, wanst it India who refused for decacdes to take it serious? arent they Musharraf’s plans which have now brought India to the negotiating table that Pakistan had always been sitting at waiting…?
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Actually, Kargil made it easy for India to come to the table. For the following reasons:
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After Kargil, Pakistan signed a deal to “respect the sanctity” of the LoC - making it clear that the LoC is more than just a ceasefire line and will be part of the final solution
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Kargil proved beyond doubt to the international community that Pakistan is behind most of the violence in Indian Kashmir
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Kargil showed India as the defender and Pakistan as the aggressor, thereby damaging Pakistan’s standing.
Kargil essentially led to Pakistan’s recent decision to all but freeze the Kashmir issue with “Soft LoC.”
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Pakistan has always been for negotiatons over Kashmir, and Kargil forced India into agreeing to that. Think about this. Does India talk to any of it’s other neighbours about the affairs of any of it’s constituent states? No. If Kashmir was such an integral part of India as you people keep bleeting on about, then you would not be talking to Pakistan about it, would you?
Kargil, well and truly showed how “soft” the LOC was, and now you are agreeing to that in talks as well. Mark my words whataver interim agreement comes out on Kashmir in the coming months, it will phase out the LOC, and eventually lead to the Kashmiri people to vote on their final status. It maybe 10 years before that happens, but it will take time to soften up the Indian population, but it is going to happen. Don’t ask me how I know. 
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Kargil -
-proved pakistan government is a joke and that only tin-pot generals have any power
- thus it corraborated the long held view that pakistan is a banana republic and had not developed much since the british left them
- it proved the sad fate of pakistaani soldiers who were disowned by their own country
- it conlusively proved what an idiot musharaf was, in not being able to pick a fight that he could win...ended up retreating after getting 100s killed. Yet, that said, that fool is the best pakistan got!
- it jolted the Indians from their sleep and taught them that pakistanis are never to be trusted
- it proved to the whole world that pakistan is an unreliable nation and as such brought to limelight the need for controlling their nuclear program a lot more
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looking at so many posts by our indian guppies it is interesting to see that indians are so affected by Kargil that even up till this day they are crying…this goes to show that we got a lot out of kargil 
you ppl can carry on with ur discussion
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Whatever makes you happy dude. Atleast we did not lose 3000 soldiers, retreat in humiliation and disown our warriors for no reason.