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Why Shah Mohammad Qureshi the super permanent lota has been identified with PPP? Why hasn’t the author identifying him as main PTI leader, right hand of Imran Khan Niazi? paki authors likhne main bhi baimaani kartay hain.
However purane murhde ukharhne ka koi faaida nahin. Whatever present Pakistanis is, always look for how the present dismal affairs can be changed from a failed country to genuine viable country and gain some respect.
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So indian claim of 500 million hindu dead is true?
I don't know if the number is true, it look bit exaggerated though... I mean India's total population was around 200 million in early 1900s.
If you want to look into it, lets take Province of Bengal for instance, it was among richest and was first target of Brits, they did founded city of Calcutta but where did the trade centers of Bengal dissappear? And their population?
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Few years ago I wrote following about what I thought were the most likely motivations for muslim invasions to the indian subcontinent.
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Few years ago I wrote following about what I thought were the most likely motivations for muslim invasions to the indian subcontinent.
agreed. when musims did it, we labeled them as mujahadeen spreading islam
when UK did it, we called them greedy samaraji powers
and now when usa is doing it , we call him all sort of names
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agreed. when musims did it, we labeled them as mujahadeen spreading islam
when UK did it, we called them greedy samaraji powers
and now when usa is doing it , we call him all sort of names
And the other lot..
What arabs did was invasion for looting.
What USA doing is all absolutely moral.
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Armchair intellectuals want our kids from grade 5th start learning the wars we lost.
A quote famous now a days is greatly relevant here.
Agr aap nae ghalti se kuch kitabain parh li hain to doosron ka jeena to haraam na karen.
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Massacre of Deebal!
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Armchair intellectuals want our kids from grade 5th start learning the wars we lost. A quote famous now a days is greatly relevant here. Agr aap nae ghalti se kuch kitabain parh li hain to doosron ka jeena to haraam na karen.
Hum sirf aapke Jeevan ko halal karne ki marg dhoondne mein lage hain
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Armchair intellectuals want our kids from grade 5th start learning the wars we lost. A quote famous now a days is greatly relevant here. Agr aap nae ghalti se kuch kitabain parh li hain to doosron ka jeena to haraam na karen.
So let's tell our children all fake stories .
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So let's tell our children all fake stories .
Ok, how about you tell your kids that your hero lost a war to a kid?
Obviously you tell your own version of history
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One good point is to read william dalrymple’s The Last Mughals which describes the 1857 from chronicles and dispatches. what english did to the sub continent was quite systematic. The sub-continent was used to support their wars (with money and men) for world wars. (and it was never acknowledged like its done for others e.g. AZNAC day etc.)
the other point is
Viewpoint: Britain must pay reparations to India - BBC News
and for 1857, the british were mostly taken aback by the uprising and were hanging by a thread until reinforcements reached from PUNJAB, that includes sikhs and muslim tiwana’s, qureshis’ and makhdooms and wat not.
but then again its history. The world belongs to the powerful ones, do they need justification? i don’t think so. because power is itself a justification of their actions. I don’t think we can put it in context of any logic.
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So true, historians always favor winner…
There is no justification whatsoever, Muslims said they were there to help oppressed and British says they are here to help oppressed again…for instance, Haider Ali and Sultan Tipu were considered savage who snatched the kingdom from a Hindu Raja…and later after defeating Sultan Tipu they let the son of maharaja be the Raja of Maisoor…irony…
Justified or no Brits ruled Sub-continent for 2 centuries…and to rule they have to killings…massacres are norm…
When there was uprising against Mohammad Bin Qasim, he ordered to burn villages along with villagers alive…to create impression and reduce the chances of uprising in future…Brits did same, Sultan Mehmood did same, i guess this the reason so few of Arabs, few of Ghaznavids and few of English ruled the subcontinent with huge population
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I think counter narrative of invaders being hero was necessary in the early days :)
With shaky ideology and absolutely no history to tell, the new rulers of pakistan created new narrative so that they can run the state.
And when I personally see west Pakistan, pakistan before and after Zia seems to be story of two different countries :)
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I think counter narrative of invaders being hero was necessary in the early days :)
The counter-counter-narrative by Bharat that they were villains and vile characters, was not necessary either.
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The counter-counter-narrative by Bharat that they were villains and vile characters, was not necessary either.
Why focus only on Bharat? Shatrughna went wherever Bharat did. So he has equal culpability.
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Ok, how about you tell your kids that your hero lost a war to a kid? Obviously you tell your own version of history
Are you saying it is better to lie to a kid?
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Are you saying it is better to lie to a kid?
No, but not every truth a kid needs to be told.
Well there are so many things. Sometime we need bias, actually most of the times :)
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The counter-counter-narrative by Bharat that they were villains and vile characters, was not necessary either.
Narrative in Central Board books treats them for what they were, it was written as fact like Ghaznavi sacked Somnathi because of money and wanted to become political leader of his people. Further kids could deduce that he was vile and villain automatically.
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Narrative in Central Board books treats them for what they were, it was written as fact like Ghaznavi sacked Somnathi because of money and wanted to become political leader of his people. Further kids could deduce that he was vile and villain automatically.
To concentrate on only certain aspects of personality of those people, so that children can automatically deduce that these people wear vile and evil, is no better than done Pakistani texts calling them mujahid.
Not everyone attacked India for money all the tone. There must have been other reasons too.
Seems obvious that Bharati governments have agenda of their own. And that is to incite hated against Muslims.
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I think in most Islamic wars of the beginning - there were only three options given to kuffars - accept islam or pay jazia or be ready to be killed and your children and women would be made slaves.