Interesting viewpoint from historian Dr. Mubarak Ali
[RIGHT]ہمارے طلباء کو یہ بھی نہیں بتایا جاتا کہ 1857ء میں لڑی جانے والی جنگِ آزادی میں انگریز کے ساتھ کون تھا اور آزادی پسند کون تھے؟ اس جنگ میں پچاس ہزار علماء کرام کو کیوں قتل کیا گیا تھا ؟ تاریخ کی نصابی کتب میں میڑک تک جو کچھ پڑھایا جاتا ہے اس میں یا تو حقائق چھپائے گئے ہیں یا پھر حقائق کو سرکاری سطح پر اپنی مرضی کے مطابق ترتیب دیا جاتا ہے۔ تاجِ برطانیہ یا پھر انگریزوں کے خلاف چلائی جانے والی تحریکیں ہمیں پڑھائی نہیں جاتیں، اسکی وجہ یہ ہے کے مسلم لیگ کی اکثریت انہی نوابوں ، جاگیرداروں پر مشتمل تھی جن کے بڑوں نے انگریز کے ساتھ مل کر حریت پسندوں کو پھانسیوں پر لٹکایا. کانگرس کے پیچھلے دور حکومت میں ہندوستان نے پاکستان کو یہ پیشکش کی تھی کے جنگ آزادی کی سالگرہ ، ہر سال دونوں ملکوں کو مل کر منانی چاہیں مگر پاکستان کی جانب سے اسکا کوئی مثبت جواب نہیں دیا گیا . کیسے دیا جاتا ؟ پاکستان کے حکمران طبقات اسی سامراجی نوآبادیاتی نظام کی باقیات ہیں . شاہ محمود قریشی جو پیپلز پارٹی کے وقتوں میں وزیر خارجہ تھے ، انہوں نے برطانوی وزیر آعظم کو دورہ پاکستان کے موقع پر سپاس نامہ پیش کیا جس میں انہوں نے فخریہ طور پر اس ‘اعزاز’ کا اعتراف کیا کے انکے بزرگ ہمیشہ تخت لندن کے وفادار رہے اور انہوں نے کیسے ستاون کی جنگ آزادی میں حریت پسندوں کو قتل کر کے برطانوی راج سے القاب و انعامات وصول کیے . یہ ہی حال ان تمام سجادہ نشینوں ، نوابوں ، جاگیرداروں ، سرداروں اور وڈیروں کا ہے جو نسل در نسل پہلے انگریز پھر آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ اور اب بہت سی دیگر سیاسی پارٹیوں کا حصہ بن کر اس خطے کی محنت کش عوام کا استحصال کر رہے ہیں . ایسے میں جنگ آزادی کے ان شہداء کی قربانیوں کو کون یاد کرے گا ؟ [/RIGHT]
Re: Our History?
I am a product of Pakistani educational system and i admit that i was never taught about 1857 war of independence. never. and why would our Establishment teach us about 1857? because all the politicians had their forefathers fighting with brits against local heroes in 1857. no wonder we are producing confused generations who have no idea who are their heroes and who were their enemies...
Re: Our History?
do you agree with what we have been taught in our schools about mahmood ghaznavi and mohammad bin qasim?
محمد بن قاسم کے سندھ پر حملے کا جو جواز پیش کیا جاتا ہے، کیا وہ صحیح ہے؟
Re: Our History?
Not at all. MBQ and Ghaznavi both were the looters who have been glamosrised as heroes.
If MBQ was hero, why was he killed by his own Khalifah?
If Ghazanvi was so much against idols, how come Buddha statues remained safe in his own country till 21st century?
Re: Our History?
Not at all. MBQ and Ghaznavi both were the looters who have been glamosrised as heroes.
If MBQ was hero, why was he killed by his own Khalifah?
If Ghazanvi was so much against idols, how come Buddha statues remained safe in his own country till 21st century?
that Buddha statues point is very interesting.....
no wonder our public is now glamorizing taliban who destroyed those statues ..........................
Re: Our History?
It was till 1946, the Khizar Hayat Govt im Punjab was hunting PML workers, Mamdot, Tiwanay, Khosay, Lagharies, Mazaries, Makhdoms, Qureshi, and all the land lords of Punjab, Waderas of Sindh, Khans of then NWFP anf today's KPK, Sardars of Balochistan...they all were rewarded for their services for Taj e Britania against local heroes.
You may have heard of Sikander Mirza, the man responsible of 1st martial law in Pakistan, yeh was grand-son of Mir Jafar, the notorious traitor of Bengal.
Now these are the people who make our ruling elite, they are traitors by nature and they have proved it in 1971. Any political party with them will fail to do any good for Pakistan.
Now hoe come they can call themselves as Traitors
Re: Our History?
If we go by the logic stated in the image, then why Muslims invaded Rome and Iran? They never captured any ship nor ceased any trade route?
Re: Our History?
muslims went after persia i think in hazrat umar’s time period and at least at that point the rationale was to expand islamic jurisdiction to spread teahings of islam. Arab Muslims first attacked the Sassanid territory in 633, when general Khalid ibn Walid invaded Mesopotamia (Sassanid province of Asōristān; what is now Iraq), which was the political and economic center of the Sassanid state
Re: Our History?
Arabs first fought against Roman in Mota, later they invaded persian city Doma’tul’jandal both on orders Prophet of Islam.
Yes that is the exact reason Muslims invaded Sindh…
Re: Our History?
Not at all. MBQ and Ghaznavi both were the looters who have been glamosrised as heroes.
If MBQ was hero, why was he killed by his own Khalifah?
If Ghazanvi was so much against idols, how come Buddha statues remained safe in his own country till 21st century?
Battles of Ghaznaviads against Hindu ruler was act of self-defense, Lahore's Raja Jay Pal who was ruler of Punjab and have Sultanate beyond Peshawar, Ameer Subktegeen ruler of Ghazni and Kabul ( if iam right)...
First time they met, Ghaznaviads saw an enormous army, miraculous weather change saved Ghazanvi army and Prince Mehmood who used to take part in military campaigns was surprised to see even bigger army in next encounter.. Luckily he didn't have any business interests to protect in Lahore, so he adopted offense is best defense strategy,
Hence, he took on all the states one by one instead of facing combined might...
Mehmood saw that the Hindu army draw their courage from the idols amd to attack their nerve point, he destroyed those idols...a psychological attack on the minds of opponent army..
Re: Our History?
Arabs first fought against Roman in Mota, later they invaded persian city Doma'tul'jandal both on orders Prophet of Islam.
Yes that is the exact reason Muslims invaded Sindh...
i dont think so....muslims invaded sindh for economic reasons way later and not to spread islam....
whereas persia and rome were attacked in prophet times. first they were approached by muslim ambassadors to accept islam but when they rejected it, they were attacked.
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so was he a muslim mujahid in your opinion?
we know he was muslim, we know his army was muslim, we know his opponents were mushraks. we know he defeated them and we know in many cases he destroyed idols. these are facts without any ambiguity.
now the next question is the purpose of his attacks and that is what we are discussing.
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Agreed with what you said. But regarding Iskander Mirza, I don't understand how come being grand son of a person who colluded with British against his brother in law, makes Iskander Mirza a traitor himself?!
That reason was a family issue. If he is considered a traitor for belonging to a family of a person who committed treason, then based on this principle he should also be considered a freedom fighter. Since treason was committed against the very family with freedom fighters.
It is also remarkable to call him a traitor given that he did no corruption even though he had all the powers. He was exiled by Pak government, and he used to travel in England in public transport.
I'm not exactly his admirer. It is just that it doesn't seem right to call him a traitor based only on his family background.
It was till 1946, the Khizar Hayat Govt im Punjab was hunting PML workers, Mamdot, Tiwanay, Khosay, Lagharies, Mazaries, Makhdoms, Qureshi, and all the land lords of Punjab, Waderas of Sindh, Khans of then NWFP anf today's KPK, Sardars of Balochistan...they all were rewarded for their services for Taj e Britania against local heroes.
You may have heard of Sikander Mirza, the man responsible of 1st martial law in Pakistan, yeh was grand-son of Mir Jafar, the notorious traitor of Bengal.
Now these are the people who make our ruling elite, they are traitors by nature and they have proved it in 1971. Any political party with them will fail to do any good for Pakistan.
Now hoe come they can call themselves as Traitors
Re: Our History?
i dont think so....muslims invaded sindh for economic reasons way later and not to spread islam....
whereas persia and rome were attacked in prophet times. first they were approached by muslim ambassadors to accept islam but when they rejected it, they were attacked.
Thats what iam saying...Invasion of Sindh, Central Asia and Spain for that matter was expansion of Ummayads...
Ended/stopped by Sulaiman bin Abdul Malik.
Re: Our History?
Agreed with what you said. But regarding Iskander Mirza, I don't understand how come being grand son of a person who colluded with British against his brother in law, makes Iskander Mirza a traitor himself?! That reason was a family issue. If he is considered a traitor for belonging to a family of a person who committed treason, then based on this principle he should also be considered a freedom fighter. Since treason was committed against the very family with freedom fighters.
It is also remarkable to call him a traitor given that he did no corruption even though he had all the powers. He was exiled by Pak government, and he used to travel in England in public transport.
I'm not exactly his admirer. It is just that it doesn't seem right to call him a traitor based only on his family background.
I blamed Sikander Mirza for Ist Martial Law in Pakistan and not for treason, because he is the one who brought in Ayoub Khan, the then COAS an officer under Ministry of Defense in power corridors...
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But all the territories of India that were attacked by Mahmud Ghaznavi were not under Jai Pal. Even Multan was under Fatmid rulers. Was Somnath being in Gujarat under Hindu Shahi rule to justify defensive move of Ghaznavi?
I don’t think that it was nerve logic that made Ghaznavi destroy Somnath. It was intelligence which was well aware of treasure in Somnath. Otherwise, we had have heard destruction of many temples on his way to Somnath. But to the best of my knowledge apart from Somnath, there is only one other temple, which is reported to be destroyed by Ghaznavi and that is sun temple at Multan.
Now lets look at contrast between two mujahideen Islam for idols:
After the conquest of Multan by the Umayyad Caliphate in the 8th century AD, under the leadership of Muhammad bin Qasim, the Sun Temple became a source of great income for the Muslim government.[SUP][12]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][13]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Muhammad bin Qasim ‘made captive of the custodians of the budd, numbering 6000’ and looted its wealth, sparing the idol — which was made of wood, covered with red leather and two red rubies for its eyes and wearing a gem-studded gold crown — ‘thinking it best to leave the idol where it was, but hanging a piece of cow’s flesh on its neck by way of mockery’.[SUP][14]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][15]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP] [SUP][16]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
Muhammd bin Qasim built a mosque close to the temple, the most crowded place in the centre of the bazaar. Later, the temple was also used a bargaining chip to blackmail any Hindu kings heading towards Multan. Whenever a Hindu king was about to invade, the Muslim ruler would threaten to destroy the idol, which apparently made the Hindu king withdraw.[SUP][14]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][17]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][18]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Al-Baruni visited Multan in the 10th Century AD and left a glowing description of it;[SUP][3]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP] however, the temple is said to have been finally destroyed by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1026 AD.[SUP][13]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][9]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][8]](Multan Sun Temple - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Al-Baruni wrote that the temple in Multan was never visited by Hindu pilgrims in the 11th century because it was completely destroyed by that time and never rebuilt.
Re: Our History?
Jay pal was just a start, once he was able to defeat Jay Pal, he never stopped until his health deteriorated…
As per my knowledge, he destroyed temples of Mithra, which as sacred as Makkah to us, Somnaath was power center of Hindus, and after the defeat of Somnath, no Hindu could revolt nor they could join forces against Ghaznavi, Ghauries and then complete era of Afghans and Turks and Central Asians…
This is what westerns did to Muslims, from 1700 till date, where no muslim state can even think to get back in the global political scenario..
They broke our central nervous system
And this is what Mehmood did to the Hindus…
These are mere war tactics, even Changaiz Khan had same, and Alexander did the same in Greece, where they just slaughtered cities to put psychological pressure on the opponents..
Re: Our History?
There probably were noromantic/fantastic reasons for Muslims to invade the sub continent. They just wanted expansion of empire most likely.
But these battles eventually aided Islam and Muslims to establish their influence here.
So whatever their reasons, it was eventually helpful to us.
Re: Our History?
There were multiple reasons for the Arab invasion of Sindh. See the link below
History of Sindh - History Of Pakistan
“Several reasons are ascribed to the Arab desire to conquer Makran 17 and Sind. Firstly, Sindhi Rajas had helped the Persians in their wars against the Arabs. Sindhi forces participated in the battles of Nehawand, ‘Salasal’, Qadisia and Makran and fought against the Arabs. Secondly, when after the conquest of Persia by the Arabs some of their rebel chiefs began to seek refuge in Sind, its Raja refused to surrender them to the Caliphs inspite of repeated requests. Thirdly, since Arab traders were being constantly harassed by pirates from the Makran and Sind coasts, a foot-hold in these areas considered necessary to safeguard Arab maritime interests.”
The most overlooked reason is the protection Sindh offered to the rebelling Shias fleeing Ummayad and Abbasids persecution. From Chasing a mirage:
“Islam and Muslims had arrived in India long before the Umayyad armyinvaded Sind. Some descendants of the Prophet’s family had taken refuge
in Sind, escaping the wrath of the Umayyad Caliph Yazid, while others
had settled in the coastal towns of Mekran, Gujarat, and Malabar in the
south, coming in peace as traders from Oman and Yemen.”
“One aspect of the uprising by the Prophet’s great-great-grandsons has beenlost in many Muslim chronicles. While Muhammad ibn Abdullah was taking
control of Medina, he sent his son Abdullah Ushtar to the province of Sind in
India (now in Pakistan), where the governor Umar ibn Hafs was sympathetic to
the Shia. The governor agreed to a date when he would renounce his allegiance
to the Abbasids and support the new caliph in Medina. However, before this
could happen, news came of the defeat of Muhammad ibn Abdullah. Caliph
Mansoor found out about the Sind conspiracy and transferred the governor
to Afriqiya (Tunisia today). The lone descendant of Prophet Muhammad
now had no place to hide in the entire Muslim world. Once more, a direct
descendant of the Prophet had to fi nd refuge and protection with a Hindu
prince of India. No school textbook in Pakistan recognizes this historic act of
hospitality by a Hindu ruler in Sind who gave sanctuary to escaping descendants
of the Prophet. When Mansoor found out that the young son of the defeated
Muhammad had been given sanctuary in a Hindu kingdom, he sent an army
detachment with specifi c instructions to capture and kill the young man and
destroy the Hindu kingdom for giving refuge to a descendant of the Prophet.
Abdullah Ushtar was hunted down and killed on the banks of the River Indus.
His Sindhi wife, daughter of the Hindu king, was captured and taken away to
Medina. She would never see her family again.”
Re: Our History?
I am a product of Pakistani educational system and i admit that i was never taught about 1857 war of independence. never. and why would our Establishment teach us about 1857? because all the politicians had their forefathers fighting with brits against local heroes in 1857. no wonder we are producing confused generations who have no idea who are their heroes and who were their enemies...
Needless to say couldn't read the original post written in a foreign script.
We were taught 1857 war of independence. The Sikhs fought alongside the British, while to best of my knowledge, muslims qnd Hindus fought against the British.