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Shikra, some people ask the workers to wash their gloves and whatnot just to stay on the safe side. There's nothing wrong in it. =\
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pehlay mujhay yeh clear kerain kay wahan log gloves change kernay or knives wash kernay ka reason kia batatay hain ?
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K unhi gloves sey workers ney chicken ko touch kiya hota hai.......ussi knife sey woh chicken sandwich ko kaat-tey hain......Issliye hum nahi chahtey k wahi knife hamarey vegitable sandwich ko touch karey.
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oyeeeeee shikki mawwssiiiiiiiiii yeh kiya drama khara kiya huwa hai 
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Okay I'm strict in halaal food and everything, if its not available I will go for seafood or veggie but no, I don't ask people to change gloves, knifes before making my sandwich or change the oil in which they fry my onion rings etc. I know people who do, and its okay with me...its just that everyone draws a line at their comfort zone and theirs seems to be a bit further than mine..
My theory is, "Make Islam Simpler", no undue hardships..no complications..Again, if you believe that whatever effort you are making to fulfill your religious obligations is enough, then its okay...IMO it doesn't have to conform to other people's standards.
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i think both logics are correct
but one must try and avoid to intentionally eat haram
baqi Allah knows ur niyyats
and if alternatives are available than one must go for alternatives
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eh .. i think some people make a big deal out of it .. and i think ur doing the same. Alot of other people who arent muslims do it too because of one reason or the other....
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Safeena Thanks for your input.
BB once AGAIN, no one is talking about eating haraam. It's those little annoying things I am talking about. And as I said before, being so precautious on one hand and kissing boys on the other hands doesn't make sense to me. To others it may.
Iori I have not yet seen an american (or a non-muslim) request such thing. Everyone has their choice and I am fine with that. However, people should be considerate especially when there is only one restaurant is open in the area and there are 50 people in line. Asking workers to change their gloves etc. may not be a big deal during normal times and when there are only a few people behind you, but when there are 50 people in line, it does make a difference because it slows them down.
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jo halal hay wo halal hay
jo haram hay wo haram hay
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K unhi gloves sey workers ney chicken ko touch kiya hota hai.......ussi knife sey woh chicken sandwich ko kaat-tey hain......Issliye hum nahi chahtey k wahi knife hamarey vegitable sandwich ko touch karey
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shikra > to yeh haram or halal k wajha say hee hoa na ..or app keh rahay ho haram halal ki bat nahi ?
un ky gloves or knives meat sandwiches jo kay haram tha main us main touch hoye hain to isee wajha say muslims un ko wash kernay ko kehtay hain na to yeh to bilkil sahee bat
ik glass main pehlay Ganda paani mojood ho app us paani ko nikal
dain or us glass ko bus kisi cloth say saaf ker kay us main saaf paani dal bhi dain tub bhi kia app ka dil manay ga usay peenay ka ? jub tuk app us ko wash na ker lain ?
Ulma fermatay hain kay aisa bertan jis main haram cheez pakee ho us ko jub tak Wash na ker liya jaye app koi halal cheez nahi pata saktay ... haan agar
majboore ho kay dosra koi utensil mojood he nahi to phir to jaaiz hay
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Some sahabi (RA) asked Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) that flaan butcher recently embraced Islam. He claims that he reads Kalma before slaughtering the animal but we are not sure if he does or if he forgets. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said Read Bismillah and eat it. If he says it's halal, then it is. Even if it isn't, when you read Bismillah, it's halal for you. I don't have reference either as I heard it in Jumma's lecture
So can't you read Bismillah before eating your vegi sandwich? Workers gloves just touched the other meat, it's not like pieces of other meat are sticking to the gloves and are falling into your sandwich
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jee haan Hazrat Ayesha razi Allah tala unhu nay App salal Allho alyhi waslam say yeh sawal kia tha .
lakin is hadees say app ki baat sabit nahi ho saktee is ley kay hadees say koi hukam agar nikalna ho to pehlay us ka Shan-e-Warood dekha jata hay
yani woh kis per or kis wajha say kahee gaye
hazrat Ayesha razi Allah tala anhu ko yeh Shak hoa tha kay woh new muslim sahabi hain to shaid woh bismillah perhna bhool jatay hoon
ho to App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay un kay shak ko door kernay kay ley kaha kay app khud perh liya kerain
app is bat ko zayhan main rakhain is hades main ik new lakin muslim sahabi ki bat thee yeh bat yaqeene the kay woh muslim hain or ulma hadees or ayat say sabit kertay hain
kay muslman kay dil main her waqt Allah ka nam hota hay agar woh Zibah kertay waqt bismillah perhna bhool jaye to woh halal hota hay ....
jub kay app kay walay maslay main to woh NON MUSLIMS hain or yahan Shak bhi nahi yaqeene bat hay kay woh gloves or knives haram meat say touch hoye hain to yahan to behter hay kay un ko change kernay ka kaha jayee
yeh behrhal koi lazmi nahi hay agar koi gloves change na karaye ya
kinives wash keraye baghair sanwich lay bhi lay to bhi koi gunnah nahi
lakin agar insan Ahtyat ker raha hay to yeh us ka TAQWa hay or yeh bat to hadees or quran say sabit hay
k** momneen maina afzal woh hay jo TAQWA ikhtyar keray**
ps > i think u know meaning of taqwa ? if u dont then tell me i wll tell u !
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there is nothing wrong with asking them to change gloves at Subway. You are paying for the food and it's not like gloves are super expensive :)
I know ppl who don't want their pizzas to be cut when they are delivered. They have the pizza cutter at home and cut it themselves.
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Thats right - I have no shame in asking them to change their gloves..
I asked somebody to do this at my local SubW and the next time round I didnt have to cos they think I am a pure vegetarian - SIMPLE.
ther's nothing to be ashamed about plus that s wat our religion asks us to do so thats wat we should do.
Iam very cautious about what i eat...well I try as much as I can baaki Allah to dekh hi rahe hain...
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Itni lambi reply aur woh bhi URDU mein 
I will go home and read it.
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^ u angraaiz ..Urdu app ki madree zaban hay samjh ayeeAlam pannah
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double post
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There's no shame involved and you are paying for the food, you have every right to ask them to do whatever pleases you, BUT, there's something called courtsey. If you see 50 people behind you, it slows the service down and delays everyone.
PG Urdu meri madri zubaan nahi hai. I can read/speak/understand urdu (the real urdu font) without any problem but it's a pain in the neck to read roman urdu. Anyway, that's not the point.
There's a difference between eating something haram.........and......eating something halal that has been touched by something that touched something haram. I go to the restaurant with the intention of eating a vegitable sandwich, not with the intention of tasting the little piece of vegitable that was touched by a knife that cut the chicken sandwich. This is where niyyat comes in.
And I know I am not using the appropriate term. When I say haram, I actually mean to say something makrooh because chicken is not haram. It's just not zabiha.
Aakhir mein baat bandey ki niyyat par aa jaati hai. Islam is not that difficult. Allah ko pata hai mein wahan vegitable sandwich khaaney jaata hoon, na k issliye k isi bahaney chicken ka zaaeqa bhi chakh loon (jo k vegi sandwich mein hota hi nahi hai).
Bibi what about the chance that the cheese of pepparoni can stick to the oven top and then melt on a vegi or cheeze pizza?
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And I know I am not using the appropriate term. When I say haram, I actually mean to say something makrooh *because chicken is not haram. It's just not zabiha.
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Aakhir mein baat bandey ki niyyat par aa jaati hai. Islam is not that difficult. Allah ko pata hai mein wahan vegitable sandwich khaaney jaata hoon, na k issliye k isi bahaney chicken ka zaaeqa bhi chakh loon (jo k vegi sandwich mein hota hi nahi hai).
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haram or halal ka faisla to Allah mian kertay hain na k insan
chiken ka meat halal ho ga jub woh Zibah ke jaye gee
or chiken ka meat haram ho ga jub woh zabihat nahi ke jaye gee
zabiha kay ahkam agar app nay perhay hoon to us main yeh bat zaroore hay kay 4 special vainz ka( ya in ka half say zyada ) katna or janwar ka khon bahana lazmee hay
agar kisi nay Zibah bhi kia or woh vainz nahi kateen to bhi zabiha halal nahi hota
u can ask it from any Alim its confirmed thing
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Aakhir mein baat bandey ki niyyat par aa jaati hai. Islam is not that difficult. Allah ko pata hai mein wahan vegitable sandwich khaaney jaata hoon, na k issliye k isi bahaney chicken ka zaaeqa bhi chakh loon (jo k vegi sandwich mein hota hi nahi hai).
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haqq haaa i think u didnt read my post ..werna app yeh bat nahi kertay ..yahan Neayt ki koi bat he nahi hay yahan sirf ik ahtyat ka pehlo or bus
anyways ..maini apni post main yeh mention kia tha jo log yeh nahi kertay to its ok un per koi gunnah ka hukam nahi lag raha
lakin jo kertay hain un ka yeh ammal bohat acha hay ..
or rahe lambi line ki to yeh app ki sooch per hay ...app is fermaish ko sandwich prepartion main dal do to or is kam main zyada say zyada 5 min bhi nahi lagtay
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Alim ney hi kaha hai:
Halal = Jo cheez Allah ney khaaney ki permission dee hai. Chicken, beef, goat etc.
Haram = Jo cheez khaaney sey mana kiya hai. Pork, Donkey, Dog etc.
Makrooh = Jo cheez halal ho lekin Islami tareeqey sey slaughter nahi kee gayi ho.
Obviously Allah knows it all and he’s the only one who will accept/reject our deeds.
Lets suppose it doesn’t take 5 minutes, it only takes 1 minute. 50 people in front of me in the line, everyone asks to change their gloves etc. How late am I running? 50 minutes. Unfortunately America mein lunch ka sirf 1 hour milta hai, that includes:
Leaving your office and take a 5 minutes walk to reach your car
10 minutes to drive to a restaurant
In this particular case, 50 minutes to get a sandwich
10 minutes to eat it
10 minutes to drive back to work
5 minutes to get back to your office
1:20:00 minute ka lunch? :halo:
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oh man .. app ko samjhana bohat mushkil hay
chiken goat wagera kab halal hon gay ?
jub in ko zibah kia jaye ga
agar yeh natural death say mer jaain to kia yeh makrooh hain ?
nahi bhaye yeh **haraam **hain
read sora Maida .. u can get ur answer very clearly
bakee jo app nay time list banaye hay to yeh rare cases hain .....or yeh logic un logoon ki logic kay agay Zero hay jo knves or gloves change kertay hain