I have seen muslims (mostly pakistani people) ordering sandwiches at subway and they want the worker to: change his/her gloves and wash the knife before slicing it into half. Do you think it’s okay and fair or do you think it’s too much?
I think that’s just too much. I mean COME ON!
And before someone starts saying well you should take precautions and it’s okay because you don’t want those knives and gloves touch your vegi sandwich that have been touching bacon and chicken etc, let me just say a couple of things:
“A’maal ka daar-o-midaar niyyaton par hota hai”…Intention is what matters more than the deed itself. I can go to the Masjid with the intention of checking out chicks and lose my reward for the prayer OR I can go to the masjid with the intention of offering my prayer and try my best not to stare at girls and that way earn my reward. It’s the intention that counts.
You want so much precaution? Guess what? Let me issue a fatwa. Pizza is haram. You know why? Because the ti ny pieces of bacon can stick to the ceiling of the oven and then melt and fall on your cheeze or vegi pizza or the cheese from the pepperoni can somehow fall in your pizza’s cheese and mix. And what about the roller they use to cut your pizza with? And the trays? They are the same ones they use for other kind of pizzas.
Allah knows whether I went to the subway (as an example) to eat a vegi sandwich or to enjoy the taste of pork that the knife will “transfer” into my vegi sandwich. So how precautious are you when you order your food?
Actually I dont think there is anything wrong with ppl asking to change heir gloves or the knife or whatever. They are paying for the food, and there is already a very limited amount of things u can eat outside, so they should get it just the way they like it.
Intentions are what matter, but that does not mean you can intend to do good but go and do whatever you wanted to in the first place.
Go to a Halaal restaurant, and I mean Halaal. These days you only get business by the name of Halaal. Its a personal responsibility to remove doubts that you might have.
Second and best option is to get married and ask your wife to cook the food for you, period.
i think u shud take precautions everywhere.........
but its stupidity to tell the person to change gloves or wash the knife.........
y order from such a place.........
y can't u just chose a muslim restaurant...........
Jazak Allah Shikra bhai
buhat achhi observation hay aap ki
Agar aap ko yaqeen hay kay koi haram cheeze khanay main shamil ho sakti hay tu behtar hay kay aap ehtiaat karain
Passionate But if you put it that way that you are paying for it and you can make the worker’s life miserable when there’s a mile long line behind you, then it’s ok. I still think it’s not fair even though you are paying for it.
Bizz have you seen anyone take a murghi and slaughter it infront of you and the cook it for you? How do you know whether it’s halal or not? Peechey tape chal rahi hoti hai aur aik banda murghi ki gardan par churee phair raha hota hai. Now don’t say you can still eat it just because the restaurant says it’s halal and it’ll be gunnah upon them for lying. I think we should take precaution here as well. And what if people are not lucky enough to live in canada where there’s a Muslim restaurant at every intersection? What if someone like me is stuck in south where the hurricane has closed the couple of restaurant that were open before? What if I go to an out of town conference? Should I get married and make my wife pack me food in a tiffan that I can carry in the plane and put it in hotel’s fridge?
**Chachu and Sara **refer to my reply to bizz where I mention what if there’s no Muslim restaurant, what if your can’t take food to work, and what if subway is the only place that’s open in that area?
Oh, and I am not gonna lie, I eat from non-halal places. That’s not something to be proud of, but I am not going to life. This post is referring to a young girl at my university who very well knows how to cook. I just don’t understand half Islam. Either do it, or don’t do it. I don’t wanna get into judging her or anything, but on one hand some people take scarves and then on the other hand they kiss the opposite gender and take so many precautions at restaurants
Sabb kay apnay a'amaal hein.
(You carry out your intentions. Don't intend and leave at that.)
As for having trouble finding halaal food, I would hate to be in that position but there are ways you can survive. Every item you pick has ingredients on it. You are literate, and can understand what right is from wrong. Its a "fareeza" (mandatory) for a muslim to acquire knowledge and specially about Islam.
There are many challanges in the west, be it in the US or Canada or Europe and Food is one of them. So its a personal responsibility to inform ourselves about halaal and haraam. You cannot say, "I cannot find halaal food so I will eat whatever."
And Also remember, If you eat something that is "mashkook" (doubtful), your namaaz, dua, or any other prayers are not accepted. WE should think about this for a while and try to see what goes inside. Because what "goes in" is what will "bring out" the deeds we do.
2:168 O ye people! Eat of what is on earth,** Lawful and good**; and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one, for he is to you an avowed enemy.
It is true that actions depend on intentions as truely said by the prophet:saw: but actions ought to be of good nature as well. One may claim to have good intentions while walking on the streets naked. After all, it’s all in the heart and in the intentions? Isn’t it?
Islam is very simple. There is a prophetic guidance with the fact that we do not take similar precautions to the food we buy from halaal grocery because Rasoolulah:saw: clearly told us not to investigate about the food came from a person who is socially known as a muslim. It is halaal for us from the ruling based on such ahaadeeth. Going and taking precautions on these issues is a transgression and a direct dis-obidience to the prophet:saw:
Having said that, one must understand that any precautions taken at place run/own by non-muslims is fardh for if we do not do so, it will be a direct dis-obidience of the above quote ayah. But at the same time, pointing fingers at others in ridicule is a much worse mistake and a source of fitnah. And for fitnah, Allah:swt: says in Quran Verily Fitnah is much worst than Murder.
I, for one, always take precautions when going to restaurants similar to subway. On the other hand, if someone does not like I taking these precautions must understand that every soul is responisble for his/her action. And that, RizQ is from Allah:swt:… No one should stop a person from eating what is made halaal upon us.
As a fellow muslim, I will suggest the same but would not expect the same from everyone for Allah guides those who are honest in getting guidance.
I understand that you can't walk naked out on a street with good intentions, that's why I gave that Masjid example in my first post. But my question is: Islam is a simple religion. Then why are we making it so complicated? Keep the food example in mind. One is not ordering any chicken or beef sandwich. It's just a vegi sandwich. Isn't it making it too difficult when we ask them to change their gloves and wash the knives? Well, then to be on an even safer side, we should ask only a Muslim to make our sandwich. Why would you wanna eat a halal (vegi) sandwich that a non-muslim prepared for you?
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Keep the food example in mind. One is not ordering any chicken or beef sandwich. It's just a vegi sandwich. Isn't it making it too difficult when we ask them to change their gloves and wash the knives?
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app Salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay fermaya Shubhaat(doubts) say bhi bacho kion k jo shubhaat main per gya woh makroohat main per gya jo makroohat main per gya woh haram main per gaya
yehe bat agar koi doctor suggest ker day kay khanay ko hath lagnay say pehlay gloves change kerain ya knives wash ker lain to us waqt yeh bat humain itne mushkil nahi lagte or is ko hum fakhrya higenic kehtay hain
lakin agar yeh hukam islam ke haysyat say koi apna lay to mushkil lagnay lagta hay
lakin halal or haram ka masla itna nazuk hay agar koi is main ahtyat ker raha hay to yeh behter hay . or jub ik insan kissi say kam lay ker us ko pay ker raha hay to woh us ki marze hay apna kaam kaisai karaye yeh us ka haq hay
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Why would you wanna eat a halal (vegi) sandwich that a non-muslim prepared for you?
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yeh to ik Tijarat hoyee or kuffaar say tijarat(marketing) jaiz hay
halal khanay ka hukam bhi islam ka ..or tijarat jaaiz kernay ka hukam bhi islam ka ..
jub islam naya naya aya tha us waqt sahaba karam kay pas kayee non muslim ghulam hotay thay woh un her qisam kay kaam karatay thay ...
Ammal ka daromadaar neytoon per zaroor hay or is kay sath yeh bhi hades hay *Ammal ka daromadar un kay khaatmay per bhi hay *
ik Admi namaz ki niyat to ker layta hay lakin namaz main kuch perhay hee nahi ? bus khamoshe say jaye namaz per khara raha to kia us ki neyat us kay ley kafee hay or hum yeh kahain gay k us ki namaz ada ho gaye?
This is not about halal and haram. No one is asking anyone to eat the chicken sandwich. It’s just annoying when you have a long line behind you and you come up with your farmaaeshein saying change your gloves, change the knife etc. You = Anyone in general.
So you are talking about this hadeeth (without reference, but it’s ok) K Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) told us not to eat anything when you have doubt about it…but don’t you remember the other story when some sahabi asked him a question? Here it is.
Some sahabi (RA) asked Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) that flaan butcher recently embraced Islam. He claims that he reads Kalma before slaughtering the animal but we are not sure if he does or if he forgets. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said Read Bismillah and eat it. If he says it’s halal, then it is. Even if it isn’t, when you read Bismillah, it’s halal for you. I don’t have reference either as I heard it in Jumma’s lecture.
So can’t you read Bismillah before eating your vegi sandwich? Workers gloves just touched the other meat, it’s not like pieces of other meat are sticking to the gloves and are falling into your sandwich
Stick to the topic. We are not talking about eating haram food. We are talking about being picky and asking workers to change their gloves while preparing our halal food. A VEGITABLE SANDWICH
and BTW, if you wanna eat something after making sure it was properly slaughtered, how would you do that? Track down the butcher and ask him?
I think most of the restuarants tell you if the food is halal or haram..
oh well - I am sorry , i dont want to derail your thread
I have never come across such a situation, so I cant comment. I live in a desi dominated area and have lots of halal food outlets all around. When we go out , we dont eat except for an odd fries and coke.
