look to all indo-americans who follow pakistan you guys miss important revelations from important people and are left with the antipak propaganda to base your opinions on (and you have no desire to challenge your own biases)
we have had the serving president of pakistan say that pakistan was forced to join. it was under military threat unless it came onboard. i wont question the wisdom of this decision too much because i can see the gravity of threat this posed.
however, pakistan needs to at some point not allow itself to fall into just as bad a situation as the initial threat posed
i wont post the link here but if you want to see pres. musharraf make his statement just youtube 'musharraf jon stewart'
I am well aware of what Musharraf said and the fact that Pakistan had no choice but to join the war against terror.
But it came to that point of non-choice because of earlier actions and decisions by earlier regimes in Pakistan. Don't stop at proximate cause - look back to root cause.
I am well aware of what Musharraf said and the fact that Pakistan had no choice but to join the war against terror.
But it came to that point of non-choice because of earlier actions and decisions by earlier regimes in Pakistan. Don't stop at proximate cause - look back to root cause.
yes the root cause - indias best friend in charge of afghanistan looking for a beach to sunbathe on
we will not become blind to the problems facing us as problems get worse
this the university which was bombed by terrorists
According to details, Malik visited the blast site where national and international media was waiting for him and he too intended to talk to them. But he could not speak even a word as scores of enraged students had started chanting slogans against him and the government. The university campus echoed with slogans like ‘Shame Shame’, which students shouted at Malik and said that the blasts in the campus were the result of Pakistan’s involvement in the US-led war on terror. University students pelted stones at him, which forced him to leave the place without talking to the journalists. The students of the Islamic International University also echoed with anti-America slogans as the Minister left. The situation became so precarious that the top police officials including IG Islamabad Syed Kaleem Imam and DIG Islamabad Bin Yameen, who were waiting for the Minister hurriedly left the place to escape the stones Malik escapes students’ wrath | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
there is a video of it somewhere, so you can appreciate what pakistanis feel is the way to peace
at the moment the support against the terrorists is overwhelming amongst Pakistanis. tell me one thing do you think they are justified in killing innocent women and children. A simple yes or no will do.
at the moment the support against the terrorists is overwhelming amongst Pakistanis.** tell me one thing do you think they are justified in killing innocent women and children**. A simple yes or no will do.
no
they, however, do and thats a problem for the nation.
Fighting a guerrilla war requires 10:1 ratio to be successful.
Since we are facing around 10,000 terrorists, we need around 100,000 troops.
Did you advise this to American government in Afghanistan who are failing badly there??? with 95% of the area under taliban control... the American troops refuse to come out of their camps and keep on distributing arms to Afghani terrorist which are eventually being used to destablise our country !!!
Did you advise this to American government in Afghanistan who are failing badly there??? with 95% of the area under taliban control... the American troops refuse to come out of their camps and keep on distributing arms to Afghani terrorist which are eventually being used to destablise our country !!!
I didnt advice the american government since I am not an advisor.
But I am a keen student of history and especially 20th century warfare.
There have been instances where an insurgency has been defeated.
In the Philippines in 1912 or Malaysia in the 1950's. Both times they had a 10:1 ratio.
Why would the Americans distribute Arms to Afghans then the same Afghans are killing them?
Or Are you saying that the Pakistani taliban is a seperate movement than the Afghan Taliban?
it really concerns me to hear low casualty number of caveman fassadis, considering we have to eliminate atleast 5000 of them.
have they gone underground or army is too careful in going forward.
lets hear your thoughts.
this fight is very essential and we need to control this area effectively before US decides what it had to do are they going to increase the strength or keep it as it is and leave.
remember if they americans let it go then all of these bas????s would be knocking on our doors.
So long as Pakistan doesn't maintain high security along its western border, terrorist will continue to come in droves across the porous border from Afghanistan. May Allah be with our soldier and our Pashtun ppl.
it really concerns me to hear low casualty number of caveman fassadis, considering we have to eliminate atleast 5000 of them.
have they gone underground or army is too careful in going forward.
lets hear your thoughts.
this fight is very essential and we need to control this area effectively before US decides what it had to do are they going to increase the strength or keep it as it is and leave.
remember if they americans let it go then all of these bas????s would be knocking on our doors.
Have some patience and some faith bhai sahab.
All the roads are very heavily mined or infested with IEDs. This is natural that army is advancing carefully. They also have to consolidate their positions whenever they take some heights. This all takes time. But we have faith in God and faith in the ability of our brave soldiers who are laying their lives for us!
Remember the golden old rule: Slow and steady wins the race
it really concerns me to hear low casualty number of caveman fassadis, considering we have to eliminate atleast 5000 of them.
have they gone underground or army is too careful in going forward.
lets hear your thoughts.
this fight is very essential and we need to control this area effectively before US decides what it had to do are they going to increase the strength or keep it as it is and leave.
remember if they americans let it go then all of these bas????s would be knocking on our doors.
Well, those figures do not include the injured and maimed. Injured may well die later on, or be put out of commision. Either way its a good thing.
Also, how accurate are casualty figures? Its better to err on the side of the lower number, so as not to become complacent. So its possible the Army reports only those casualties which its certain off. The Taliban do carry away their dead from what I know. So how does the Army count these casualties?
Either way, you can be assured that if the Taliban werent losing men, they wouldnt have abandoned their posts. They certainly wouldnt abandoned key locations and left ammunition behind, if they had enough men left to defend the position.
Its possible they may simply have been over run.. But still, even if thats the case, the point is to capture the terrirtory so it cant be used by the terrorists. We want to deny them any sanctuary. So long as the Taliban are forced into the open and into the cold, its all good.
Are you denying that India has been a genuine security concern for Pakistan, and hence part of the problem?
Y E S
India has been a threat to Pakistan only in your minds. even that was planted there by certain past leaders of Pakistan to save their own skins from local situations. Whenever they cannot maintain law and order they blame India and start a war or incursion.
India has been a threat to Pakistan only in your minds. even that was planted there by certain past leaders of Pakistan to save their own skins from local situations. Whenever they cannot maintain law and order they blame India and start a war or incursion.
WRONG!
Thats naive at best. And Foolish at worst.
You have no proof that they are not threat, that is your assumption.
We know for a fact that Pakistans intrests are diametrically opposed by India. Thus they will do all within their means to oppose Pakistans intrests, as they have.
Its wishful thinking to assume they are absolutely no threat.
Even a 1 percent or less chance, means we have to be vigilant.
Some Paksitanis have been so drained of any self respct, and have been so weakened by Indian propaganda, that they simply assume Pakistan is wrong and Indian in the right.
I would say, you need to regain some self respect. Stop blindly assuming the Indians are some benevolent force, and stop assuming Paksitanis are inherantly wrong.
India IS a threat on many levels. No reason to assume they arent. So long as we have unresolved business with them, they will never be anything mreo then a threat, and we should view them as such.
Thankfully, we have some sane people at the helm. They may not make the best decisions everytime, but atleast we arent caving into those who would sell us out to the countries worst enemy.
GEO Pakistan****Sketches of two assailants of Brig. Moeen released Updated at: 0147 PST, Friday, October 23, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Islamabad Police have released sketches of two suspected assailants of Brig. Moeen-ud-Din here on Thursday night with details of their faces’ features.
According to the sketches of suspected accused of the attack, one of them was shown as bearded and the other without it.
These sketches have been prepared with the help of the eyewitnesses.
Both the suspected were involved in the attack in which Brig. Moeen and his driver were martyred, says a statement issued her on Thursday.
It may be recalled that on Thursday morning while on his way to Rwalpindi from Islamabad, the vehicle in which Brig. Moeen was travelling was ambushed and fired by pillion riders in G-11 sector critically wounding him.
Later, Brig. Moeen succumbed to injuries while on way to hospital.
Meanwhile, Police search operation is underway to apprehend the attackers in the adjacent area of Sector G-11, Islamabad.
Police is also investigating other possible aspects of the incident besides terrorism.
I didnt advice the american government since I am not an advisor.
I thought you were an expert advisor as you are full of advice for Pakistan and Pakistanis in this forum. I was just wondering if you are also posting on some American forum giving them your balanced advice on the causes of their failures in Afghanistan as their failures are causing a lot of hardship for Pakistan
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But I am a keen student of history and especially 20th century warfare.
There have been instances where an insurgency has been defeated.
In the Philippines in 1912 or Malaysia in the 1950's. Both times they had a 10:1 ratio.
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I have no doubt on your historical and technical expertise. This is the reason I was suggesting you to extend the same to Americans...
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Why would the Americans distribute Arms to Afghans then the same Afghans are killing them?
Or Are you saying that the Pakistani taliban is a seperate movement than the Afghan Taliban?
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Should I send you the link of NY Times article which mentioned that American distributed arms to Afghan soldiers end up in the hands of Taliban or you still remember it. I am sure your memory is not so bad that you will forget that article which was published not so long ago.
^^ I write my opinions on this forum because it is an open forum. Of Course Americans give Arms to Afghan Army, they are building it up. I still don't get your point.