Re: Opera canceled for fear of Muslim ire
Are you saying that leaders of Muslim countries like like Mushy, Karzai, Ahmedinejad, Saudi sheikhs, African muslim countries etc. do not count as political power ?
I don't follow your logic - why should Muslims have special laws protecting them ? Who else is protected by special laws - Hindus, Christians, Budhists, Parsis, Sikhs ??
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I don't follow your logic - why should Muslims have special laws protecting them ? Who else is protected by special laws - Hindus, Christians, Budhists, Parsis, Sikhs ??
The reasons that muslims are more reactive especially in Europe is due in large parts to the kinds of immigrants that migrated there.
In Canada or USA, we didnt witness the kind of protests that were in Europe due to the Danish Cartoons. That is because Canada and USA have brought in selective muslim immigrants. People who actually want to live and work here unlike the poor muslim laborers who came to Europe to re-build it after World War II and stayed there and instead of integrating into the society, build their own societies in Europe which is isolated from the mainstream.
Now when you have uneducated people staying in Europe, and being unemployed because their skill set is no longer required, that means they get locked into these ghettos and cannot leave them and so the next generation is born in similar conditions. These people get more radicalized.
And so you have the over-reaction to such things as the Danish Cartoons.
Re: Opera canceled for fear of Muslim ire
WIshful thinking. It shows how seriously we honor our sacred figures. It's no joke. Ever. This isn't about us. In fact, we'd rather you insult our mothers or
fathers.
Those who don't protest have been beat. They MUST be subject to the humiliation because their host society deems it as a part of the social contract. Thank secularism for that, but mind you Christianity was not all about turning the other cheek for most of it's history in Europe.
Hinduism, violating the sacred would land you into a heap of trouble...even if you were a Muslim at a time when Muslims ruled India.
Muslim's have not been "beat" in their own host cultures, and simply don't appreciate (nor care to recipocate) or even fathom the hate that Europeans and others spew unto religions that they are more familiar with. In their hubiris, the Europeans demand that the same be done with Muslims, and not only that...they demand that we Muslims the world over react in a manner acceptable to them. Seems like the colonialist mindset never really left...
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No, they have no effective political power. You should’ve seen Musharraf and Karzai trying to ingratiate themselves with Bush. You may not have much power either. But at least you’re the natural allies these days. Enjoy yourself! :k:
I don’t want to go into that. Let’s ignore my logic.
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It’s simply disgusting 
I know grlz who were christian and hindu and htey hated the “jesus is my homeboy” shirts and bags and stuff that show jesus and hindu gods.. and as much as i love simpsons and south park, they’re definitely included in that obsession..and maybe its kindaout there but I think this is one reason that its not allowed to make drawings of the prophet PBUH because seeing as how things are now, none of our Prophets would remain as sacred as they still are :halo:
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Oprah is cancelled because she is a Muslim?
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Thats fine but do you really have to resort to violence, embassy burnings and others to show how serious you are about Islam?
Cant this be done in a more civil manner?
Protesting is fundamental right for western societies. And people who don't protest have better ways to spend their day.
Probably
Its not really hate that europeans are spewing but rather poltical satire where everything is open game.
That is a very myopic view of the subject matter. Europeans are very leftist and liberal societies in which everything can be made fun of including Islam.
So what you are also saying that burning down embassies, rioting, violent protests are acceptable to muslims?
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In Canada or USA, we didnt witness the kind of protests that were in Europe due to the Danish Cartoons. That is because Canada and USA have brought in selective muslim immigrants. People who actually want to live and work here unlike the poor muslim laborers who came to Europe to re-build it after World War II and stayed there and instead of integrating into the society, build their own societies in Europe which is isolated from the mainstream.
Now when you have uneducated people staying in Europe, and being unemployed because their skill set is no longer required, that means they get locked into these ghettos and cannot leave them and so the next generation is born in similar conditions. These people get more radicalized.
And so you have the over-reaction to such things as the Danish Cartoons.
That's probably true :)
Re: Opera canceled for fear of Muslim ire
How much political power India has was demonstrated by the 1998 nuclear tests and what happened to India & Pak after the sanctions. Political power is with those who have the economic might, and by all independent accounts India is among the top economies in the world. Can’t compare it to Pak & Afghanistan.
You can choose to ignore it, but thats the crux of the issue - I am not sure why you think you should be getting any special rights/protections or why Muslims should be treated differently than any other religious group. 
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Ignorance is bliss. May you long revel in it.
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Cant this be done in a more civil manner?
It can be, indeed. It should be. And for the vast majority, it has been. I'm sorry, but I'm getting sick and tired of constantly being asked to defend or apologize for actions that occur on the periferiy of the issue, almost always as a way to deflect criticisim or attention away from the main issue at hand.
The cartoons are a good example. Hundreads of thousands protested. Only hundreads were involved in directly inflicting harm on others.
I condemn it. Not that this will be heard, or accepted. But I do.
Again, we see it with the reaction to the Pope. Just google it. The muslim reaction is described as "violent". Excuse me? Violent? To the best of my knowledge we had one church burnt down, and one nun shot dead. It's sick, fine. All and sundry agree. But that in no way should detract from the majority, who were quite succinct and respectebly forceful in their demand for an apology.
But alas, how dare we Muslims question the infallable Pope...no, we should all in unison send out an apology to Christians for the handful of incidents against them. That never happens. Even the Western street doesn't react that way...yet it's expected of Muslims.
Not because it's something we're weak at...on the contrary, because it's something they know we can't deliver (no centralized voice, no centralized apology) in the form they demand it in. It's also a good way to whine about how the western street is under threat. Not to mention a good way of putting the blame for the reaction back on to the Muslims...as odd as that is.
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Protesting is fundamental right for western societies. And people who don't protest have better ways to spend their day.
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We're not talking about protest...but satire or even slander. It is acceptable in Western society to insult relgion. Not so in Islamic societies. Yet, the Western street would have us Muslims even be silent within our own homes.
The complaint isn't so much how we're protesting...it's the fact that we're protesting at all. In short, the Western street would like to poke us in the eye...and then tell us how to react. They've done just that to the Christians...and would like to 'tame' us too.
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Its not really hate that europeans are spewing but rather poltical satire where everything is open game.
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Possibly. Except freedom of expression or self-censorship...they take that seriously enought to raise the spectre of a civilizational conquest...even sugest adopting Romanesque measures to ensure the survival of their 'way of life'.
Whereas the counter-reaction to the Muslim reaction was hardly violent, it should be noted that those who are most critical of Muslims have co-opted the war on terror and the war in Iraq for their ideological cause. And so the wars take on an imperative in containing a threat to the 'American way'...in this sense, then, the response has been hyperviolent. Americans don't protest...they throw bombs...or materially support such efforts and fight tooth and nail to ensure the efforts maintain momentum.
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That is a very myopic view of the subject matter. Europeans are very leftist and liberal societies in which everything can be made fun of including Islam.
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I understand this perfectly. So then are they feigning their outrage over (and let's be honest here) Muslim hurt over the issue?
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So what you are also saying that burning down embassies, rioting, violent protests are acceptable to muslims?
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Clearly not...on the contrary, this issue is constantly raised, and blownt out of proportion...as dispicable as it is, it's not nearly as bad as it's made to seem.
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what rubbish?? there is no dalit untouchable remaining in india. it’s 21 st century my friend. talk about super sonic india not the bullock cart.
just for your infomation: castism in india is banned by law and followed strictly.
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I denounce this restriction on the freedom of speech as much as I do the US administration's attempt to restrict free speech based on accusations of 'unpatriotic'. I
f this type of free speech is not allowed in Muslim societies, fine. But they cannot dictate what constitutes free speech in free societies. ESPECIALLY out of fear of violence. If the head of Christ is allowed to be displayed under law, so is the head of any religious figure.
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and people are free to protest against it just like ppl protested against works of 'art' that had virgin mary made out of animal refuse..remember that, or protests in CA whenlast temptation of christ was released, or protests when passion of chuist was released.
Ppl have a right to show what they want, ppl have a right to protest, boycott, pressure the creators of such work, as long as it is peacefula dn within the boundaries set by law.
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Prophet M. has been on South Park before.
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Agreed.
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don't understand y christians make fun of Jesus Pbuh and God on a daily basis? God is God, and Jesus for them died for the sins of mankind, I mean what is this? THey have no respect for their own God, son of God, how can u expect them to respect anyone elses religion. Any christian who does this will be in Hell despite anything, and yet they do it. Free speech my ass, whenever any muslim says anything, tehy are blood thirsty terrorist extremists, when christian does the same, o itss freedom of speech, or you can't compare christains to the dirty moslums.
I mean i know you non-muslims love when this sort of thing happens, but you know its wrong...what if a Jew came out with a beheaded Jesus, or if Christians started making fun of the holocaust, and saying all the Jews shud have died, and hitler was a great great man. Nah uh, its freedom of speech. And when it happens to us...you stand up and applaud...thats right...and you know its meant to insult muslims, and encourage more hatred against us. We still respect our religion, and prophets, our religion is more sacred and important to us than any1 from anyone other religion.
You *****es will get yours sooner or later.
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I think the German did the right thing. I mean who would like people getting killed over an Opera. Pope said something and a plane is highjacked. So much for peace. I wonder where these guys learn so much fanaticism.
A wild guess - Madarsas’ maybe.
And there are countries who would not put a ban on these hatred teaching religious schools.
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Re: Opera canceled for fear of Muslim ire
You *****es will get yours sooner or later.
very nice.
By the way in the play Jesus does get beheaded along with Mohammad. As far as Holocaust mocking, ask Iran, they had a contest to do just that recently. And I hope you anger is more intense at those who behead real people in the name of Islam rather than some artist beheading a symbolic Mohammad.