Opera canceled for fear of Muslim ire

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I don't advocate any violence, but unfortunately some corners around the world are all hell bent to portray Islam as an evil entity or insult the faith. There are rules of 'freedom of speech', you don't just walk up to someone and talk bad of his ancestors; and for Muslims (esp) they hold their faith much more sacred than followers of any other religion currently. Followers of other religion are in a way demanding Muslims to follow their path i.e. get tamed, accept insulting jokes as 'jokes' or insulting remarks as 'simple views of someone', giveup relationship of government with religion etc.

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So essentially that translates to Muslims vs. the rest of the world :) Then why do people complain that the whole world is against Islam ?

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Should we not complain? Should we take every danda that comes our way and let it go where the aggressor wants it to be? Sorry but thats not how a regular human being will behave. and yeah its the 'rest of the world' denying that its against Islam.

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^ Now you are trying to have your cake & eat it too :)

Muslim reaction to such incidents is perceived as irrational by rest of the world, since no other religion is perceived to be as intolerant, inflexible and sensitive as Islam.

I dont think there is any right or wrong answer here, but next time when you & others complain that the whole world is against Islam/Muslims remember that there is a reason for it.

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The very fact that muslims get insulted at the slightest pretext shows how insecure they are. They are not very sure about themselves. Take any other religious group and they would not mind some idiot talking bad about their God.

Let us take the example of
1)Christanity.: True there have been protests. But they always have been very muted.
2) Hinduism: Almost everyday, we hear about Hussain finding ways and means of insulting hindu godesses. He has not been lynched till now.

Just think..

If I am sure about what I believe in, I would not bother about somebody else ...

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We just take our religion more seriously than any other group. I mean you see Christians making fun of Jesus and God on tv on a daily basis. They expect every1 else to be the same. I mean we have a like a special bond, and have strong feelings about our Prophet, I mean go ahead insult us all you like, but don't insult our religion or prophet.

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we over reaat and every two bit idiot knows that its an easy way to get some free publicity, be it a writer, cartoonist or politician. If we learned to make our point in a strong but sensible way, not only would it be taken more seriously but not having the media circus would actually decrease the incidents of morons using it just as a publicity stunt.

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"We will tend to become crazy if we start forbidding Mozart in opera houses," German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said on a Washington visit, calling the cancellation an "unacceptable" violation of the principle of freedom of speech.
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Well, well, well, I'd like to read the principles of German freedom of speech regarding some other religious groups.

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So Mozart hated Islam? I didn't know that...rollseyes

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  • Muslims are insecure, Muslims are childish, Muslims want to kill innocent people for no purpose. I mean Muslims are responsible for Lebanon, Iraq and Gujrat and they deserve it. We do not need to help them in Darfur because Muslims kill Muslims. End of my intellectual wisdom. Thank you very much.*

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buring KFC’s by indians :konfused:

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](BBC News | AMERICAS | 'Naked Jesus' angers Giuliani)

It’s impossible to argue with those who support this kind of ‘freedom of expression’. But it happened before 9/11, and I hear that world has changed.

As for my Indian friends supporting ‘freedom of speech’..

.. or preaching religious tolerance..

Or sometimes, you lose not only your freedom of speech, but also your freedom of movement.

For those Hindu freinds of mine who have been criticizing Muslim reaction to pope’s comments..Not too long ago you were protesting.

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^ You seem to have totally missed the point about violent/disproportionate reaction by Muslims :no:

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^^

I think there shud be a mass genocide/extermination of muslims off the face of the earth...every problem will be solved. Someone propose this somewhere, so righteous people can start the cleansing of the earth.

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Yea, I have missed the point. Hindus never miss the point about proportion. They ensure proportion in every riot.

Wait a minute, do they? :konfused:

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Pointing fingers does not answer the basic question/point raised in this thread :nono1:

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I am reacting to finger-pointing. And my reaction, unlike the reaction of rioters in Gujrat, is neither violent nor out of proportion.

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[quote=“Amorphous”]
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indeed you have missed the point, bhai. the argument is not that people of other religions don’t protest against offenses to religious sensibilities…and nobody is saying that any and all offenses should be accepted or ignored. and of course, i don’t know where to begin regarding typically irrelevant citations of gujarat in response to the issue at hand.

it is about the nature of the protest and reaction. there have been plenty of very offensive usages of hindu deities, including on toilet seats, alcohol bottles, footwear, underwear, etc…uncountable examples of offensive depictions of jesus christ, etc.

but french embassies were not torched by hundreds of thousands of indians on a rampage in addition to smashing of cars, arson in the streets, issuing of death threats, etc. because the companies producing such toilet seats and underwear were french.

hindus protested and eventually got all such products removed from shelves and extracted apologies even after some of these companies initially refused for months.](“http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1172837.stm”)

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Those who have such perceptions are retards, if they can't separate religion from followers then its not our fault. They will keep burning and the faulty followers will keep providing them fuel to burn.

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I dont think there is any right or wrong answer here, but next time when you & others complain that the whole world is against Islam/Muslims remember that there is a reason for it.
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Of course there is a reason, no one can deny existence of reason.... those who 'perceived' have reasons and those who demonstrate/protest violently also have reasons.

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Muslims are (perceived to be) more reactive because they enjoy little political power in this world. Secondly they're under attack from every quarter. (They have no special laws protecting them in Europe). All the reaction you see is on the streets.

I condone neither violence, nor the incitement to violence. We can have rational, constructive discussions without trying to offend each other's religious sensibilities in the name of freedom of expression. Those who don't want to be the part of this dialogue (to bring communities closer) will eventually be marginalized.

But to understand the reaction, we need to look at the actions which have resulted in this reaction. We must understand the feelings of helplessness and being wronged that generate these (justified or unjustified) reactions.