i have read some where that those non muslims who do good things will be rewarded in this life.
It's up to Allah Subhanuwatallah who is the FAIREST to judge, so we shouldn't even name names for who is or isnt going to heaven..be the best Muslim you can be, and you will not only help yourself but do dawa by just being a good Muslim. Allah will decide who will go astray and who won't. So don't say who is or isnt going to heaven or hell...its not for us to decide.
The way I look at is that all humans are muslims, we are born muslims and may or may not embrace islam due to being born in a non-muslim family etc etc.
So, we are all muslims, whether we acknowledge it or not and muslims will go to heaven. Allah would decide who will and who will not and none of us can be the judge of that.
Fraudia
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Are you saying everyone will go to heaven?And in the same breath you say that Allah will decide.Decide what?What you are saying doesn’t leave out much of a choice for Allah.Does it?“All are muslims and muslims will go to heaven”!!
I doubt even all those who are known as muslims will go to heaven.Not even eventually.i.e. after spending time in Dozakh first.I think many of the so called muslims will be left there for ever.And of course only Allah will decide who goes to heaven in first place and who to Hell,who comes out of it after some time and who stays there for ever.
Ahmed
read my post again.
I have said 2 things
#1 we are all muslims, thats an islamic belief that every person is born muslim.
#2 Only Allah decides who goes to heaven or hell.
so i am not sure where you are getting the idea that “everyone will go to haven” or “Allah has no say in it”
Next time pay more attention
Fraudia,
I did not miss that part,I thought I had made it clear that you were saying '2' things in same breath.I quoted your crucial flawed sentence in the last post as well.Here it is again.
"So, we are all muslims, whether we acknowledge it or not and muslims will go to heaven. Allah would decide who will and who will not and none of us can be the judge of that.
Tell me that the two sentences here are not contradictory? Or else tell me what the 1st sentence means.This entire thread is about a certain point which I am sure has not escaped you.In this context saying that we are all muslims can only mean 2 things.One that being muslims doesnot guarantee heaven since we are All born muslims.Or that all will go to heave.With first I would agree though for different reasons but read your post again it will be clear that it conveys the second.
ahmed I was addressing 2 different things
1 everyone is born a muslim whether they admit it and accept islam or not, so philosophically speaking everyone who will go to heaven is muslim...if not admitted, then innate muslim...as that is the natural state of human beings..
and in point #2 i emphasized that but just being a muslim does not guarantee admission to heaven because its Allah's will, he will decide who goes to heaven and who does not.
No contradiction here of any sort.
Well fraudia it's your job to write clearly.I didn't really think you believed that all will go to heaven but just thought i'd prod you to be clearer.Anyway I now want to move on to the 'philosophical' input you gave us.I say that not all muslims will go to heaven.Also that not all going to heaven will be muslims,but of course my usage of that word is related to the question that started this thread.Ofcourse only 'believers' will go to heaven.
However your 'philosophical' approach humbly is gobbledygook as All certainly are born muslims meaning only muslims will go to hell as well.Doesn't that definiton include all humanity then?What then remains the value of your input?I put it to you that your input is no input as the islamic concept of all are born muslims has nothing whatsoever to do with who goes to hell or heaven.So that topic is irrelevant to this thread.It has a lot to do however with the fact that humans have been given a choice and not doomed by thier birth.That all are born on one fitrah is the justification for those who have not directly been called to isalm still going(possibly)to hell as Islam also lies inside us and can be found on one's own.Not what this thread is about though.
[This message has been edited by Ahmed (edited November 19, 2000).]
Ahmed
I wrote it very clearly, it was not meant to be a hint towards something else, unlike others I oly mean what I write, you are new here so it may take time to get used to different styles. If you drew different inferences from it, thats your issue then.