Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

Israel is losing on all fronts in Lebanon. The Lebanese people are rallying around Hezbollah. :k:

**Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion **

A rally of well-dressed middle-class ladies, perhaps 40 in all, protested outside the UN’s offices here on Wednesday, calling for a ceasefire. Representing the Lebanese Council of Women, they handed out leaflets appealing to Kofi Annan to get something done. They were fewer in number than the recent anti-war demonstrators in Tel Aviv, but more representative. While today’s peaceniks in Israel are a lonely, though perhaps slowly growing, minority, the cry for a ceasefire is overwhelming in Lebanon. Why bother to demonstrate when the issue is so obvious? So my strongest impression of the rally came from Lamia Osseiran, one of its organisers: “The Israelis are radicalising Lebanon, even liberal democrats like me. I took part in last year’s demonstrations against Syria. I was a critic of Hizbullah. Now I cannot help but support Hizbullah’s fighters who are defending our country.” What about Hizbullah’s rocket attacks on Haifa? “It’s right,” she replied. “It’s not only Lebanese who should have to suffer. Are human rights available only to Israelis? You can’t have winter and summer on the same roof.” Similar views can be heard from many Shias. They have closed ranks behind Hizbullah under the weight of Israeli bombing. Among Sunnis the mood is more complex. The port town of Sidon, south of Beirut, is 90% Sunni. Over the past week it has taken in 70,000 Shia refugees, most of them militant supporters of Hizbullah. They are eager to convince their new Sunni neighbours of the justice of the Hizbullah cause. Whether they have succeeded will not be known until the bombing stops, but every new day of Israel’s air strikes on the south lessens the force of the argument that it is all Hizbullah’s fault.

The stronghold of anti-Hizbullah feeling is in Lebanon’s Christian areas. They have suffered little bombing, and many people argue that Hizbullah is reaping what it sowed. As Youssef Haddad, a young teacher at the American University of Beirut, put it: “If you want a war with Israel, you have to pay the price. I didn’t take the decision to attack Israel.” Yet what counts most for now is not the popular reaction but what is happening inside the Lebanese government. Condoleezza Rice seems to have little understanding of the country’s political forces. Last year’s so-called cedar revolution, with its simplistic “people power” image and the election victory of anti-Syrian parties, apparently led Washington, and alarmingly Downing Street as well, to believe that Lebanon has a radically new and pro-western government. In fact, Lebanon has a government of national unity in which Hizbullah has two ministers. Being anti-Syrian is not the same as being anti-Hizbullah, and the election winners from the March 14 movement, which developed after the car-bomb murder of the former prime minister Rafik Hariri, wisely recognised that the party is an authentic part of Lebanese society. It was better to have it in the government rather than outside.

Demonising Hizbullah as terrorists or Iranian and Syrian agents confuses the picture. Moreover, the only party that declined to take part in government, the Maronite Christians led by Michel Aoun, made a tactical alliance with Hizbullah. Since the Israeli attacks Aoun has been one of Hizbullah’s most vocal defenders. While accepting Hizbullah’s political weight, no Lebanese politician believes that its military wing can be disarmed against its will. Their view has to be the starting point for any discussion of an international force for southern Lebanon, whether it is a beefed-up version of the current UN force, Unifil, or some sort of “coalition of the willing”. In one sense Israel created Hizbullah. Its occupation of Lebanon after 1982 turned a group of suicide bombers into a resistance movement like Europe’s second world war partisans. Expecting foreigners to remove Hizbullah’s weapons is a non-starter. Israel is taking heavy casualties in attempting it. How would other foreign occupiers have more success? Earlier this year Lebanese parties were holding a “national dialogue” to work out, among other issues, how to strengthen the Lebanese army and find a different role for Hizbullah’s guerrilla forces. “One option would be to absorb the militia into the Lebanese army and another would be to turn it into a national guard under government control,” Michel Faroun, an MP from the March 14 movement, said last week. The dialogue on Lebanon’s defence strategy was only exploratory, since the government agreed that no decisions could be taken until Israel withdrew from the land known as Shebaa farms, occupied since 1967. The latest two weeks of Israeli attacks have reinforced Hizbullah’s argument that it cannot disarm until the Lebanese army is stronger.

It is not a question of redeploying the Lebanese army in Hizbullah’s place. Only Hizbullah knows the terrain well enough, and has sufficient experience and motivation to defend Lebanon against any future Israeli invasion. The Lebanese government’s position on the idea of an international force is not yet clear. Hizbullah and Amal, the other Shia party, insist that the prime minister, Fouad Siniora, only had a mandate in Rome on Wednesday to call for a ceasefire and a prisoner exchange. Although Siniora expressed support for strengthening Unifil, analysts assume he thought this position was safe as long as the mandate and mission are still to be agreed. If the idea took off he would have time to argue that it can only come in with the consent of Hizbullah and Amal. Attempts to impose a force would risk destroying the Lebanese government and revive the danger of a civil war. Perhaps this is Israel’s intention. It has shown great skill in exacerbating splits between Fatah and Hamas in the Palestinian territories, and may think of doing the same in Lebanon. European governments should resist the idea. Jacques Chirac has rightly said a Nato force is out of the question since the alliance is seen as “the armed wing of the west”. Even without this association, any force would risk being seen as Israel’s instrument. Israel’s plan seems to be either to use foreigners to do its work or, if that fails, to turn south Lebanon into a giant Rafah - the city in Gaza where it demolished hundreds of homes and created a free-fire zone in which anything that moved was shot. What Lebanon needs, as Siniora said in Rome, is an immediate ceasefire and an Israeli withdrawal so that refugees can go home before any more destruction is wrought. The world should take its cue from that.

Re: Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

MAy ALlah grant them more support, and they become victorious.

Israel, should be destroyed.

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Lebanon's Christian President has come out in support of Hezbollah and thanked Iran as well.

President Lahoud thanks Iran's support for Lebanon

Lebanese President Emile Lahoud in a meeting with Iran's Ambassador to Beirut Mohammad-Reza Sheybani on Wednesday appreciated Iran's support for his country. At the meeting held in Lebanon's presidential palace, Lahoud lauded President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's character and said that convergence and unity is the only way to overcome the brutal aggression of the Zionist regime. For his part, Sheybani strongly condemned the savage crimes of the Zionist regime against the Lebanese people, government and resistance movement. "Israel's measures, including attack on public places and innocent people as well as using banned weapons violate all international laws and criteria," he added. Stressing Iran's support for Lebanon, he said that the Iranian nation will stand by the Lebanese people to enable them to gain their legitimate and legal rights. The Iranian diplomat said that the silence of the world and regional community vis-a-vis the crimes committed by the Zionist regime is unjustifiable.

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Instead of that, can we not pray that may Allah swt grant Guidance to Israelis? :hoonh:

Re: Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

^ but that would make sense you know, so why do u expect ppl to pray for that

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Israel the “state” should be destroyed..Its people , as well as any other kafir, shud be guided. if Allah wills..

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israel can no longer be militarily destroyed

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^^ Yeah...many came, said and went into dust... :D

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and yeah tht makes sense to u tht pray would effect israelis and americans and they will stop killing muslims??..seriously man, do u really think tht debates on higher level can really effect israelis and americans??..
by the way,organisations like hamas and hizbollah also make 100% sense for me and for any other “civilized” person and this also makes sense for me y such organisations enjoy massive public support…wht do u think abt tht jani?..
i hope i dont get uncivilized typical american responce…

Re: Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

I guess it makes sense for some people to look the other way, when Israel's military chiefs go on about flattening whole villages in Lebanon - which they are doing. But be aghast when people make similar comments about Israel?

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How do you destroy a "state" and the "kafir" turn to Islam? Would the state become Muslim/Islamic if all of them become Muslims?

Re: Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

Israeli strikes may boost Hizbullah base
Hizbullah support tops 80 percent among Lebanese factions.

By Nicholas Blanford

TYRE, LEBANON – The ferocity of Israel’s onslaught in southern Lebanon and Hizbullah’s stubborn battles against Israeli ground forces may be working in the militant group’s favor.
“They want to shatter the myth of Israeli invincibility,” says Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a leading Lebanese expert on Hizbullah. “Being victorious means not allowing Israel to achieve their aims, and so far that is the case.”

Still, the intensity of the Israeli bombing campaign appears to have taken Hizbullah aback. Mahmoud Komati, the deputy head of Hizbullah’s politburo told the Associated Press, “the truth is - let me say this clearly - we didn’t even expect [this] response … that [Israel] would exploit this operation for this big war against us.”

When Hizbullah guerrillas snatched two Israeli soldiers from across the border, it appeared to be a serious miscalculation. In the days that followed the July 12 capture, Israel unleashed its biggest offensive against Lebanon since its 1982 invasion, smashing the country’s infrastructure, creating 500,000 refugees, and so far killing more than 400 civilians.

Thursday, Israeli air and artillery strikes continued in southern Lebanon and the International Committee of the Red Cross said bodies were laying in the streets of some Lebanese border villages where fighting has trapped civilians. Also Thursday Al Qaeda’s second in command, Ayman Zawahiri, called in a televised video for Muslims to join fighting in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon in a holy war against Israel. While al-Qaeda is a Sunni Muslim group which in general views Shiites, who make up Hizbullah’s ranks, with disgust and not even as Muslims, they share a common hatred of Israel and the US.

In a televised address Tuesday, Hassan Nasrallah, Hizbullah’s secretary general, said the Israeli onslaught was an attempt by the US and Israel to “impose a new Middle East” in which Lebanon would be under US hegemony.

“Our fate is to confront this plan … we are waging a war for the liberation of the remaining occupied lands and the liberation of our detainees,” Mr. Nasrallah said.

Ms. Saad-Ghorayeb says that Hizbullah’s goals have changed, “assuming a wider strategic importance” in which the party is at the forefront of opposition to the Bush administration’s agenda of transforming the Middle East into a series of pro-Western democracies.

“Hizbullah is in a unique position to confront the US agenda which if successful will be, by extension, a victory for Syria, Iran and Hamas,” she says.

Hizbullah’s top guerrilla fighters are mounting a stubborn campaign against the region’s most powerful army in and around Bint Jbail, the largest Shiite town in the border district where support for the party runs high.

Hizbullah has had six years - ever since Israel withdrew from south Lebanon - to prepare for this climactic showdown. Instead of storing weapons and ammunition in vulnerable stockpiles, they are scattered throughout the south in natural caves, tunnels, and homes. Hizbullah officials say they have sufficient ammunition and high morale tofight for months.

Hizbullah’s frontline fighters are battle-hardened veterans after fighting Israeli forces in the 1990s. They are armed with advanced Russian antitank missiles, which have proved deadly against Israel’s vaunted Merkava tanks and use classic hit-and-run guerrilla tactics.

“Hizbullah is doing what it does best, harassing the enemy,” says Timur Goksel, who served 24 years with the UN peacekeeping force in south Lebanon.

Indeed, Nasrallah has announced the launch of the “second phase of our struggle” in which his long-range rockets would “go beyond Haifa,” Israel’s third-largest city. Israeli officials have been bracing for possible rocket attacks on Tel Aviv, which would mark a major escalation in the conflict.

“If Hizbullah hits Tel Aviv, I think that Israel will totally wipe off the map Bint Jbail, Khiam, Tyre and Nabatieh,” says Nizar Abdel-Kader, a columnist for Ad-Diyar newspaper and a retired Lebanese army general.

The stakes are high for Hizbullah, but it seems it can count on an unprecedented swell of public support that cuts across sectarian lines.According to a poll released by the Beirut Center for Research and Information, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hizbullah’s fight with Israel, a rise of 29 percent on a similar poll conducted in February. More striking, however, is the level of support for Hizbullah’s resistance from non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hizbullah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis.

Lebanese no longer blame Hizbullah for sparking the war by kidnapping the Israeli soldiers, but Israel and the US instead.

The latest poll by the Beirut Center found that 8 percent of Lebanese feel the US supports Lebanon, down from 38 percent in January.

“This support for Hizbullah is by default. It’s due to US and Israeli actions,” says Saad-Ghorayeb, whose father, Abdo, conducted the poll.

The most favorable outcome for Hizbullah, analysts say, is to keep harassing Israel until there is a cease-fire agreement that essentially leaves Hizbullah intact. If Israel establishes an occupation zone along the border to police the area, Hizbullah will likely continue fighting, unhindered by a weakened Lebanese government and backed by a radicalized Shiite community. That growing radicalization is palpable in this laid-back coastal town where support for Hizbullah traditionally has been arbitrary.

Ghassan Farran, a doctor and head of a local cultural organization, gazes in disbelief at the pile of smoking ruins which was once his home. Minutes earlier, an Israeli jet dropped two guided missiles into the six-story apartment block in the centre of Tyre.

“Look what America gives us, bombs and missiles,” says this educated, middle-class professional. “I was never a political person and never with Hizbullah but now after this I am with Hizbullah.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0728/p06s01-wome.html

Re: Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

Arabs are paying the price of fighting against the Turks in WW1. They attacked the Turks from the back and welcomed the British to Arab and Palestine. The British proceeded to carve the area into peices as it pleased them and made a deal with the Jews to make them a country (for religious reasons) in Palestine. Since then they have been defeated and humiliated. They made a historic mistake and are still paying the price and will probably keep on paying the price for generations to come. They trusted the promises of the British against muslim Turks because they considered Arabs to be superior than Turks.

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If Israel didnt' have heart they could destroy the whole country and occupy by the weekend.

But that would get them international condemnation and they can't do it. Then this restraint is seen as Israel being humiliated or some great fighting skill of Hezbollah when it is nothing more than Israel being prevented from an all out fight for fear of civilian casualties. When the enemy mixes in the with the locals and stores their rockets in mosques they don't have any other choice.

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Didn't see that one before, any news/links?

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Right. So that's the reason why Israeli terrorists target ambulances.

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One Daisy Cutter and a whole village would be vaporized.

Hezbullah has put up a good fight, bully for them. So instead of being wiped out in a week, it will take a month. Big deal. Dead is dead. Now the Arab world can paint them as heros, because they died in a loud and violent way, but generally wars are won by making the other guy die. And frankly compared to WWI or WWII, mordern wars do not kill many people. Hebullah lost a good fight, they did not win the fight. they simply fought ina way that took some time to kill them.

However, parts of Beirut are reduced to rubble, the infrastucture has been reduced to rubble, and no one will give or lend money to a country that still has Hezbullah under arms. Hundreds of civilians are dead, the economy is dead, tourism is dead, in short, Lebanon is wrecked, courtesy of Hizbullah. Now you can call this a victory, but it sure looks like defeat to me. So if some of you want to create a folk myth of Hezbullahs great victory, well fine. If this gives yo some glimmer of pride, I am happy for you. Long term however, poverty sucks, and prosperity improves the lives of the winner.

Israel has guaranteed itself that Hezbullah cannot attack for another five years, the Israelis will grow their economy 50% in five years, while Lebanon will barely have repaired the bridges.

Perhaps those celebrating need to set the bar for victory a little higher.

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Correction: Courtesy of IDF

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HAHAHA..dam man..u made me laugh and ur post told me alot about u…yes another typical american who is too much naive to comprehend the stituation…
israel has killed more then 600 people and thousands have been injured…they have been attacking civilians on daily basis and u r talking abt “international condemnation”..haha seriously man,how much time u spend on fox news daily??
wht i see on tv is total destruction and killing of innocent children and women… u r behaving like a typical western beast…
thts y i wonder y it is very diffcult for people like to u understand abt hamas massive support aming palestine people…
now please do make some sense…otherwise dont reply

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Who said no one will give or lend money to a country that still has Hezbullah under arms?

Saudi king offers Lebanon $1.5bn

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has promised to give $500m to Lebanon to pay for reconstruction. He also approved $1bn for the Central Bank of Lebanon to support the economy. The Saudi monarch warned that Israel’s military offensives in Lebanon and Gaza could ignite a war in the region. He has held talks with Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak in the Saudi capital Riyadh ahead of a conference on Lebanon in Rome on Wednesday. Pressure on the Lebanese pound has risen over the past fortnight during the military action by Israel in response to Hezbollah’s capture of two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border attack. Experts estimate the damage to the Lebanese economy at around $2bn, with investors and tourists fleeing, and believe that the government is set to lose out on $600m in earnings. Saudi Arabia has been a major backer of Lebanon since the 1975-1990 civil war was ended with a peace deal in the Saudi town of Taif. If the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war

Lebanon economy reels

The king has coupled his aid promises with unusually forthright comments about the crisis. “Saudi Arabia warns everybody that if the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war,” he was quoted as saying by state media. Saudi Arabia and Egypt have called for an immediate halt to the Israeli offensive but have also blamed Hezbollah for starting the fighting. That criticism sparked a wave of anger in the Arab world. The BBC’s Magdi Abelhadi in Cairo says there is a fear that the scale of Lebanese casualties is being used by radical opposition groups across the region to mobilise public opinion against moderate leaders like King Abdullah and President Mubarak.

UN appeal

**The Saudi government is also to give $250m to the Palestinians, who are suffering the effects of an Israeli onslaught following the capture of an Israeli soldier by Gaza-based militants. ** The Saudi aid pledges come after the UN on Monday launched a $150m (£81m) aid appeal for Lebanon. The UN’s top humanitarian official, Jan Egeland, said the money was needed to help feed and shelter about 800,000 civilians caught up in the conflict. The US has announced a $30m package to ease the suffering of civilians.
The EU has already pledged $12.6m in aid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5214354.stm