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None shall bear the iniquities of another … in the Bible and the Qur’an

Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.

Surat Al-‘Isra’ [17:15] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

How would even a pious man say such a thing if he had such knowledge of the Qur’an and of Justice? … The example brought by you Bigboi regarding the people saying that it is not an excuse to follow what you forefathers followed is proof in favour of my argument not your argument …

In other words it means don’t follow your forefathers blindly, they will be punished for what they did wrong (i.e. propagate wrong ideas) but if the children follow them in that wrong then they will be punished for what they did …

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Exactly ... Acceptance if not tolerance if not then avoidance ... but when it comes to working together - we should all do so on grounds of mutual interest.

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Peace bigboi,

:insh: we’ll pray for your better health and hope to see you back soon. :slight_smile:

Peace bookworm,

That is why I wrote lets start from our similarities to get united first which mean try to understand each others. About differences, we can talk later.

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In my View it should be otherway round. We should try not to impose ourself on others and start living while trying to understand the differences without highlighting them.

So far the mistake is that we try to know others and then we feel that we are very good people to guide them to the right path and start imposing our ideas.

Has anyone told their family members that let me understand you and then I will live with you. Try saying or doing it to blood relations. There you have to accept them with all their flaws and do your best .

Even for the Christians it is in Quran that the only only binding thing is The Book of Allah and beleif in one god.

This define the standard of one Ummah, if we follow it then 90 percent of differences will be resolved. Unfortunately according to Hadith its is time of FITTEN and it will be difficult to be a true beleiver or to stay on the right path except few who are blessed by Allah.

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^ A very good post MashaAllah :)

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Individually what we can do is : Accept your muslim brother as your brother. Make it haram on ourself to take life, wealth, honor of our fellow muslim. Enjoin good and forbid evil. Let the differences be known and learn to live with it. Try not to impose our beliefs on others.

As nation what we can do is : Live and let live. Give everyone the right to do tabligh. Everyone should be allowed to call themselves Muslim. Government should not interfere and preach other people whose muslim and whose not. Scholars should accept eachother's differences and preach to common people to treat them like your brothers. They should talk about beliefs common to them and if they want to talk about differences, do it such manner in which you take special care that you do not hurt someone's feeling. Learn and live with it. Let Allah be the judge.

Ummah is one. Differences are a lot. Similarities are a lot too. Focus and emphasis more on what makes muslim a muslim and I think we can solve lots of our problems.

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Peace Mr. Popat

Some of this sounds good, but not all of it likely to improve peace, some may cause more divisions ... You see early scholars saw the need to preserve the religion through formulations of the aqeedah and sciences of fiqh in order to keep the faith pure and free from error or dilution. The fitnah of khawarij, Mu'tazilis, and others caused big problems for Muslims and did lead to a lot of Fassad ... So you see by opening the doors to free discussion and debate we may end up turning Islam in to a subject and losing its sanctity and importance in our lives.

All the while achieving a sense of peace with one another ...

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Peace Bookworm and Mr.Popat,

U both wrote 'try not to impose oneself/belief on others'. What do you mean both by saying 'impose'?

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With this post of yours, i do sense the feeling of your aqaid being superior to others. This is what we need to refrain ourselves from. What Allah promised to preserve is Quran and Qur'an alone. Problem is we do not have one set of scholars. We have scholars from every different sect of Islam, each claiming to be right. Where is the sense of unity ? Every scholar preserved their aqaaid their own way. If one was right, each one would have followed that. Another thing is that scholars are not divinely guided. They preserved their aqaaed according to how they thought were right and according to how and what their forefathers have been believing. The aqaaed have to be wrong, scholars must have understood something wrong, only then would Allah send someone from Him. Had the islam been exactly how it was 1450 years ago, we would not see so many sects in islam.

Deen of Islam consist of Quran, ahadith and Sunnah. It does not get complete by the opinion of scholars. Whoever say whatever which is not confirmed by Quran, ahadith and sunnah are not to be taken as an aqeedah of Islam. Whatever one needs to prove must prove it from either of Quran,ahadith and/or sunnah.

Like I said, everyone must be allowed to do tabligh..and if they're wrong.. one should explain it from quran ahadith and sunnah. To stop them from doing tabligh is not the solution of anything. If Islam is preserved, then rest assured, even if you have hundreds of sects, nothing will happen to Islam. You do jihaad against them from pen. You show them the right path through Quran.

Rest of it, if you want muslim ummah to unite, we must all respect eachother and consider them all muslim and take away the thought that we are better than the rest. Show what you believe in through Quran, ahadith and sunnah and not from what your scholars tell you to believe.

Lets also not call eachother by names and lets not call anyone non muslim. Lets unite under the beliefs which are common in all. Lets talk more about similarities and less about the differences.

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What I meant was, you go ahead tell your differences in a positive manner and thats it. You can let people know where you differ, but when someone start spreading hatred against someone, we expect the same coming from people who are being hatred. Thats not the solution to anything.

What we as muslims have to do is to get the message across and thats it. Our duty is done after that point. It is the right of all Muslims to spread the name of Allah to everyone and then let Allah do His part by showing him the right path. Imposing your beliefs by giving them hard time to live, to stop them from spreading their message, to do every evil act possible against them till they start believing what you believe is wrong. This manner of any sect of Islam against anyone should be condemned.

Do tabligh in a positive manner and whoever you think is on the wrong path, bring proof and enlighten them without having anything against them. Show them similarities and bring a sense of brotherhood among eachother. Let Islam not be known as a religion that can only be spread by sword.

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Peace Mr. Popat

That is the whole point ... When it comes to following rule of state, we all need to follow it to save ourselves from becoming a joke to society. We need to be sending out a consistent message. The danger in allowing all sects to engage in their missionary activities all backed by the government will lead to people saying that government are sending out inconsistent messages.

It will turn the state into a secular one ...

The basis for Shari'ah is that top scholars do come together, but the decisions for state need to be decided by ameer and when decided all follow it even if they had a different opinion.

Most of the aspects of Islam are shared by many sects ... The way to move forward if for us to concentrate on those. I personally do not see open debate as something that will quell argumentation and fighting and Fassad, but to open the doors to debate (which actively encourages focus on differences rather than similarities) it will invite the Shaitan in to separate us further.

The unity as I stated before must stem from our support to leadership, regardless of them not sharing our opinions and secondly to focus on common ground and mutual benefit. Our own specific ways will automatically spread when and if we develop the necessary characters.

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Peace Mr.popat,

I rather than say lets start from 'Zero (beginning)' point and lets see where we differ and why.

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I do know that whatever I say, you will always have something to say against it. Government has no right to interfere in anyone's beliefs. By letting government interfere, we are becoming a laughing stock for the world. Government is sending inconsistent message by interfering.

Most aspects of Islam are shared by many sects but despite that, we are unable to come up with one definition of who a muslim is. Despite having same beliefs among sects, they call eachother kafir. This is what is not acceptable. All i'm saying is if Islam is exactly how it was 1450 years ago, then no matter who pops out.. Islam should have answers to them. You cannot give them a shut up call. This is not the way to go. We have infront of us Quran, ahadith and sunnah. Whoever pops out must present their beliefs according to these 3 things, and we only need them to answer them back. There is no one definition of a Muslim. It's like apni dafli, apna raag.

Let's have a sense of tolerance for everyone. Let's talk about similarities. I see more shetaani power acting as people who are spreading hatred among us than people who talk about differences in a positive manner and learn to live with it.

Anyway.. i'm done. 5 pillars of islam is something we can all unite on. Lets promote the spirit of brotherhood by talking about the common grounds we all agree on.

LLK.. i dont know what you meant.

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Peace Mr. Popat

I was going to answer this post again, but then you made that last statement ... :) ... It sort of negates what you said earlier.

Now I don't need to say anything further ... I agree with it.