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Concentrating on only the fundamental fact that the Muslims should act as ONE Ummah, what can we do to become one?

Someone has to start this and push the “Stone”…

How can we overcome the differences which according to the Holy Qur’an shouldn’t be.

Rules are:

  • No insulting comments towards other Members.

  • Try to understand your “Opponent” (I feel aggrieved when I read the Hadith that the Muslim Ummah is a whole Body and wherever there is pain we should come together to help each other\relief each other, but mostly don’t…)

Discuss…

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Peace Bigboi,

I liked the topic of this thread. Why to overcome the differences I mean why to start from differences. Lets start from similarities. :)

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Peace be upon you Brother,

It was not my intention to start with the differences. My intention was to find "ONE" Fundamental point we all can agree on and then start from there. Maybe I was not clear enough.

"You shall hold fast to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be divided. Recall God's Blessings upon you..."

Sura Al Imran, Verse 103.

I was missing Psyah...

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I think the holy prophet is one being whose existence should act as the true uniter of all the factions within the muslim community.

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...any idea...

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No Idea? A tie being islamic or not was more important? Psyah, Mr. Popat, Lethal Kamikaze, The Jinx and the others I have forgotten. Where are you? Lethal, you were talking about similarities. Where are we heading?

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Peace Bigboi,

I already started a thread "Come and lets read the Holy Qur'an". Join us there and if there is anything we would like to discuss further we'll continue here or open a separate thread.

Wait let me start a topic here and lets discuss. Just give me five minutes plz. :)

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There are five pillars of Islam. The very first is 'Towheed' Lets start from here. :)

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Salam,
the time which has come on muslim ummah is such that there is no tolerance for anyone else. Muslims killing muslims in the name of God. Each one declaring another as kafir. Everyone is trying to hold the steering wheel of the car and taking it to whichever place they like to. There is no one definite definition of Muslim. In the states where Muslims rule, the system has been so corrupt that people die but do not get justice. Muslims tend to respect muslims only by tongue, but in reality the very true respect of another being a Muslim is gone. We have something against everyone and claim our own self to be on the right path. Muslims go to their scholars and pass a fatwa and act upon it without asking them on what basis they have passed out this fatwa. They have given their deen to some scholars and believe everything they say to be true without thinking for themselves and without asking them of any reference of any sort.

What is the basic problem of muslim ummah when we have 1) best and perfect holy book, with everything preserved 2) the best and most exalted Prophet s.a.w 3) us being the best ummah 4) our deen being complete and our shariyat being the best and complete. What then is the problem?

A boy went to a grocery shop and asked the shopkeeper if he has sooji, sugar and oil .. the shopkeeper said he does have everything. The boy then asked ' why dont you make halwa then ? '

So, point is.. if we have everything.. why do we see muslim ummah being so low in terms of everything?

Muhammad pbuh himself said that jews were divided into 72 sects, my ummah will be divided into 73. Keep in mind that where the number could be true.. these numbers also imply that muslim's sects will be more than jews. Now, since Muhammad PBUH himself said that all 73 of them will be his ummah and said 72 being wrong , 1 being right. My whole point of bringing this up is to tell that no matter what the difference we all are afterall followers of Muhammad pbuh. And if someone says that s/he belongs to no sect, it would mean that s/he is not in muslim ummah.. since for a muslim he has to be in either one of the sect.

We all can agree on so manyyy beliefs of islam and be united under all the similarities instead of all the differences. But if this was this easy then the scholars of islam should have done something to bring peace and to unite the ummah instead of keep on spreading hatred. When ummah is so lost, when the scholars of this ummah is so lost and spreading hatred against eachother then there is no way out but for Allah to send a messenger amongst them who is just and gives His rulings based on the teachings he gets from Allah almighty on various issues where the ummah goes wrong.

When Allah says : "You shall hold fast to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be divided. Recall God's Blessings upon you..." Al imran verse 103. We should see how are we all suppose to hold fast the rop of God? Allah said not to be the ones who broke their deen into pieces. Allah also told us to recall the blessing of him when we were enemies of each other. What was the blessing? The blessing of prophethood, which comes amongst them and create peace and harmony for whomsoever believe in him and it is through HIM by which enemies became brothers.

It's like a kid crawling to the edge of a cliff. His mother will never stop but to always run towards him and bring him back everytime hes at that point. No matter how many times a kid goes to the edge, the mother will always run to him and bring him back. Never will the mother say.. im tired of it.. go and jump, i dont care. If this is the love of a mother.. imagine the love of Allah almighty for his creation.
There are many many news articles in pakistan, in bangladesh in which many of the renounced scholars of islam have said that muslim ummah is at the edge of a cliff. They too are waiting for a miracle to happen from Allah.

Yes, through prophet who is in complete accordance to Quran and ahadith is the one Muslim ummah awaits for. It will be through Him, that the muslim ummah who is enemy of eachother will become brothers. They will not become brothers just like that, but to accept him as the one sent by Allah. He will be the one who will judge amongst Muslim ummah things where they went wrong and it will be his final say which will count, provided that what he says does not contradict Quran and ahadith. Yes, it can very well contradict the way scholars have been taking some stuff.. and it will be HIS words which will hold true since he will be from Allah almighty. It will be through him and by accepting him that there will be brotherhood once again in Islam and with brotherhood will we see peace in the world.

Yes, we can try and create harmony ourselves but things have gotten out of hand way too much and now even if we bring the similarities between us and bring it forward in a hope of peace in the world, we will never be able to compromise on anything. If one says that they are the believers of Muhammad pbuh, the other will say no you're not even though they have no right to refute it etc..

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Peace Mr. Popat,

You wrote "if someone says that s/he belongs to no sect, it would mean that s/he is not in muslim ummah.. since for a muslim he has to be in either one of the sect." I couldn't get this, what does this mean?

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peace lethal kamikaze,
Because Muhammad PBUH told about a time, not because he was happy saying it but because he s.a.w knew this was going to happen. He s.a.w referred to all of them as 'his' ummah. If one says hes not in any sect, it would mean that he doesnt belong to his ummah at all.
If a house has 10 rooms and nothing else in the house and if the person is asked which room of the house hes is.. if he says hes in no room but hes in house. It would make no sense. For him to be in house, he must be present in either one of the room.
hope that make sense.

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^uh, how about you imagine a house. a house with no rooms.

what a bad analogy. "and nothing else is in it" you are engineering your example to fit whatever you wanna say.

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Peace Bigboi

Mr. Popat and LKK have already answered this ... You know in Mathematics there is a concept called the "highest common factor" ... I like this term ... it is because it utilises the word "highest" ... to me and you the word "highest" means "noblest" ... that is the noblest common factor is the largest possible number that is the factor of two different numbers. An example? :)

Let's consider 35 and 49 ... First we express these as multiples of their prime factors we get ...

35 = 5*7 and 49 = 7^2

Hence we conclude that the highest common factor is 7 ... the 5 of the 35 and the other 7 of the 49 we don't need to concentrate on because the common factor is 7 and our focus ... and answer to the question ...

Common factors can exist in concepts too ... We all have basic tenets that we will someway down the line believe in ... so we deal with each other on that level ...

The biggest threat to being able to deal with HCF (highest common factor) between sects is two things:

a) Arrogance/Pride/Elitism Exclusivity
b) Ignorance

We should avoid trying to convince each other of our arguments, simply state what they are and why and then continue to work with each other on humanitarian or social grounds and that should see to a civilised development of humanity - so the logic dictates.

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Peace Mr.Popat,

Yes it is. May I assume here 'house' as 'Islam' and 'rooms' as 'sects' or would you like to enlighten further?

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Glad to see that you had nothing against the reply i posted above. Yeah, i'm not the very best in giving examples. I give those to get my message across in various other ways..But i hope you understood what i meant.

Yes sure. Thats what the whole point of that example was. House as Islam, rooms as sects. But what's weird is each person sittin in the room claiming their room to be better than the other room beside it. Sure it can have some differences but they go as extreme and as far as calling them as not a room at all.

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I can't believe what you have done with my Topic!

Mr. Popat,

I feel you, but this is what we all know and do not want to be repeated. If we repeat we cannot continue. It's a merry old dance with a merry old sound.

Psyah,

I don't want Math. I don't want figures, numbers. I want a "way" so that we can understand each other.

Philosophy,

thank you, but you could've sent a PM to Mr. Popat instead of telling us all what a bad analogy he has.

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how true is it in scripture that only one sect is true and the rest are hell-bound? or is everyone going to heaven irrespective of sect?

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My response tried to show that we should ignore the differences and focus on common inerest ...

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Topple all the Muslim governments and bring them under the flag of PAKISTAN.

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Isn't the purpose of religion to bring everyone under the flag of humankind instead of promoting national identities which hold no truth outside of our own skewed perspectives whatsoever?