To say that Nudes have any less morals than those who are fully covered is a puerile proposition. <<
so why dont u do what u say for a change and walk urself naked on the streets of NY for a couple of days. u'll be put in jail for indecent exposure.
or worst walk in front of ur kids naked? if there is NOTHING wrong about it.... why dont u do this first and we will talk then?
chan, thanks for the explanation. the three things you mentioned exist in Islam as well. But what would be the reason for the sikhs to forbid women with jeans to enter a guwardwara? dont tell me its Islamic influence.... cos muslim women can enter into a mosque with jeans.
Mundyaa, open your watermelon and pay attention to the core of what is being said. It may be indecent by NY standards, but it is not in certain tribes of Mozabique, nor it is in the Amazon Jungles where many Aboriginal tribes live. So if your Religion has dictated a Dress Code for you, it is not necessarily for those who follow other belief systems. And yes, I walk naked in NY all the time. Grace to almighty NY State sixth district that has enacted laws protecting those who may wana enjoy nature in nude on certain beaches. Subhanallah. I am sure when you see me naked you will go: Mashaalla, but don’t you ever say “Inshalla”.
Face-up, thanks for the link. As I understand form the URL provided by you that there is a strict dress code (covering themselves completly) and manner code (standing behind men) for women if she they to pray in the Masjid (although women is discouraged from going to Masjid)....what is this talk about no dress code in the Masjid. Doesn't one goes to Masjid to pray?
YEA!! OFCOURSE NYAHMADI AND RANI ARE SAME KIND OF PERSONALITIES, BOTH SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS THEY CAN TO LOOK FOR POINTS WHICH GO AGAINST ISLAM AND MUSLIMS, AS THEY ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THEIR OWN BELIEFS, CAN'T EVEN DECIDE WHICH RELEGION TO FOLLOW, BOTH ACT LIKE WILD ANIMALS AS THEY DON'T FOLLOW ANY RELEGION EITHER!
THERE IS A WORD "ABCD" USED FOR CHILDEREN RAISED IN AMERICA AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEIR ROOTS, NOW LETS INVENT A WORD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CONFUSED ABOUT RELEGION???
SO WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE???.....
I'M AFRAID, BUT NYAHMADI AND RANI ARE FACING "RELEGION IDENTITY CRISIS" AND "SELF IDENTITY CRISIS"
MAY ALLAH HELP YOU NY, AND AS FOR RANI HMMMM WHICH god OF YOURS SHOULD I PRAY TO SO THAT HE/SHE CAN HELP YOU IN IDENTIFYING YOUR SOUL?
Rani..you do the same thing with everyone...you dont bring any solid point in your writing and accuse others of being wrong.
If something is wrong, it is wrong no matter who is saying it, and when something is right, it is right no matter if you agree with it or not. anyways...im sure you still dont get my point i rather not waste my time explaining.
Here what i have to say.
The issue of the proper Islamic dress code (for men and women) is not a question of wearing one or two pieces, or wearing pants versus skirts/dresses, but it is the issue of respecting the proper guidelines. Hence, the most important guidelines for both the men and the women that should be respected are the following ones: 1-The clothes should not be tight on the body revealing the shapes of the body. 2-The clothes should not be see-through. 3-The clothes should reflect modesty and 4-The clothes should cover the Aoura (Aoura is the part of the body which is illegal to keep naked in front of others. For men, the aoura is extends from the navel to the knees, but for women, it is the entire body except the face and the hands). Hence, any cloth that you wear which meets this requirement and is not a clear imitation of the opposite sex is acceptable, regardless if it is one piece or two or three pieces, and if it is made of Jeans/denim material or cotton or polyester. Regarding the issue of pants, not all pants are not allowed for women. The ones which are loose and don't show the parts/shape of the body are allowed. Actually, if a woman wears pants and puts over them a long shirt or sweater or skirt or dress, like it is done in many parts in the world, then the pants are actually recommended. Also, pants existed a long time ago for both sexes in the Indian subcontinent, in the Middle East, and in Africa. Thank you and have a good read. God knows best.
HARooN
HARooN>>>Chorr chori se jaye...haira-pehrii se na jaye<<< :)
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Haroon....The question is whether their is a dress code or not, not how you think women should dress up or behave. Masooma was critizing me first hence my reply.
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Of course there is a dress code!! Haroon did a very good job explaining it. KUDOS 2 U BRO!!
There is a God. Everyone prays 2 da same GOD every society had different names 4 god. These dress codes are not made by a certain society but by GOD. Now a molvi that wants 2 lead da prayer naked first of all has sum sort of problem second of all no matter how much of a "nake" person he is on the inside he has 2 show it on the outside or no 1 wud know and he will automatically b perverted. And if a crooked molvi wears full clothing and wants to lead a prayer, That is b/w allah and him, the ppl following him (if they dont know that hes crooked) just follow him and pray. one more thing if he leads a prayer naked or n e 1 goes 2 a mosque naked tell me how many ppl will b able 2 actually concentrate on the actual prayer. You want me 2 tell u NONE NADA, ever1 will b looking at other ppl that is human nature....ohh hes bigger than me...ooh shes got a flatter stomach than me.....ooh shes got bigger boobs..oooohhhhh hes got a nice body...oooooohhhh shes hot. That is what will b going on in teh mosque, church, gurdwara etc. not prayer which is actually supposed 2 b taking place.
I dont know how much this goes w/ da topic neither do i care!!! So dont tell me im offtrack kuz im just saying wut came 2 my mind reading wut every1 wrote!!
Hmm..Rani off course ther is a dress code, weather its with wearing bikini<(that can/is considered a dress code in west)or covering your self from top to bottom. Now the question is which dress code is RIGHT for all occasions.
Someone or i think you mentioned why women are discouaraged not to go in masjids.
Women are allowed to go to the mosques because prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ordered his male companions not to forbid women from entering the mosques. However, women should respect the mosque's code. >>there are conditions to be met for this permission which are: 1-the woman should not go to the mosque if she has put perfume, and 2-her clothes should be modest meeting the Islamic dress code (such as not being tight).
As far as women praying at home...The hadith that i am aware of is that Muslim women do get more reward by praying at home than by praying at the mosque. However, women should not be prohibited from going to the mosques to pray because prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) forbade Muslim men to do so.
THank you have a nice gupshup. Good luck.
HARooN
HARooN>>>Chorr chori se jaye...haira-pehrii se na jaye<<< :)
we are waiting for input from you about it…hhhhhmmmmmm…maybe you are lost for words…instead of replying you are digging up more crap about muslim women. This discussion aint about women and mosques it is about the sikh clergy banning women from wearing skirts and trousers.
Comprende???
Where is this liberalism you were so proudly talking about in other posts?
As mundyaa rightly said a muslim woman can go into a mosque wearing jeans or a skirt, as long as she is covered, and you were accusing muslims of of “repressing” you. From what I have read your own beliefs (that is if you are sikh) repress you not the influence of muslims during the partition.
And for your information whether you accept it or not I know sikh women who cover their faces with their dupatta if they come across any male relative in the street.
Wow I thought they are living in the 6th century arent they…Actually that is what i would have thought if I had a mind like yours. However I felt this was more to do with “Hayaa” and “sharam” which is what all religions teach, it depends on whether the followers accept it or not.
So please in future please do a bit of back ground work before you decide to express a negative opinion against muslims.
I may be a muslim - even though a modernist, doesn't mean that I'll sit quietly and watch you guys twist Shartia'h, even though I do not believe in it, to justify attacks on others' faith.
The Shariat is a binding contract. If you claim to follow it and you're required to follow it in its entirety, not pick & choose, like you guys are doing.
The link that Rani quoted from re: dress code for women is the Sharia't so she has done her 'homework'; I suggest you guys do too.
good points designer. Islam gives a guideline for how a woman and a man should dress up. if a woman choses to ignore it for whatever reasons… then why blame the guidelines? they are there, whoever will follow them will benefit from them.
as ny pointed out that there are ppl in mozambique who walk around naked… well there are christians who walk around naked here…ppl like hugh hefner and their playboy mansions are nothing but places of nudity. Im sure christians have a dress code but not properly enforced though. do we blame christianity for it?
Similarly Islam has given us a dress code both for men and for women… those who follow it will be true beleivers and muslims. those who do not will be like the ones in mozambique and their women will be as good as the ones in sick magazines here. but thats a choice they make.
rani, now that u have expressed that u wouldnt mind ny’s cult… when are you doing a practical demo? when do u walk naked with ny ahmadi and his family on the streets of ny?
Faceup,
I hope you are not referring to me when you talk about attacking other peoples faith. I have not attacked any ones faith, i have just questioned rani to put forward her views on why the Sikhs are banning women wearing skirts and trousers, only because in another thread she accused the muslims of repressing her women with dress codes where as now it seems her own people are doing it (that is if she is Sikh.)
I dont dictate anything to anyone, neither does any one to me, I follow my religion as well as I can, and I dont blame other religions for any downfalls of my own religion (what ever they maybe). But when people blame other religions for the faults of their own then something has to be said.
I dont dictate anything to anyone, neither does any one to me, I follow my religion as well as I can,<<
This is off the topic but since you brought it up I feel compelled to respond. If you and other muslims really practice what you are saying, nobody will have any problem. Read Yahoo's thread outlining choice given to non-muslims by muslims that is where the crux of the problem lies.
Mundayaa,
I think you didn't understand what NYA is saying in his post and what people like him stand for. I will any day support liberal minded humanist over religious zealouts (regardless of the religion).
P.S1 Chan has done a good job explaining about the questions raised in this thread, I don't think I can add anything to it.
P.S2 Women covering their face are dictated by their own feeling or culture it has no religious meaning - they can cover themselves in ten layer if they so desire, I have no problem with it, as long as they are not told and forced to do so by a priest, Bhaiji or a Mullah.
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You just dont have an answer do you, off the topic as usual..forget it you aint worth having a discussion with. And if you cant discuss anything in future dont cuss down any one elses religion or blame them for the downfalls of your own cuz you very obviously dont know what you are talking about...