on average, many men enjoy

Re: on average, many men enjoy

STP,
thanks and i accept your acknowledgement of having misunderstod my words.

i agree with you with what you said, here.

i wonder if this sis teh nature of some men or they are presssured.
both were going in onwards, but then one suddenly pulled back and did not take any stand to show commitment.

the issue is not of ego, but one of betrayal on one side, and miserable hurt on the other.

in fact, they are decisively made to turn out to be failed.
Allah allows for it. it is not a sin as long as ethics are kept in mind.
debates, arguments, and convincing is seen as neediness where as it is only a call for giving a good honest look at the whole and the positive of the relationship as well.
i wish we can prevent such misery as it makes parents feel that relationships identified and built independently are not worth anything -

may the man and the woman always take a stand, if their feelings were true to each other. amen.