on average, many men enjoy

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i will respond to the rest later, but a small correction

"This man must learn to learn be honest to himself and those who he sadly takes for granted"

hey, and have you thought that maybe he was not being honest wit himself until now. just because the end result is not what you like does not mean he is not being honest now, maybe he is being honest now and he was not being honest earlier, to you, or to himself.

btw, its not just guys who do that, girls do that as well, ran into one like that in 94-95 ..something happened and boom it was over..but then she made a mess of herself later so I guess it was all good. I am good pals with her pals so I hear about her once in a while and 12 years later she is still not sure what she wants from life and dragging on a bad relationship for years which does not seem to be going anywhere...frankly I am glad it ended, but when it ended of course it was a killer

just walk away...yes u may have invested a lot in the relationship, but it cant be forced, it cant be negotiated, someone cant be talked into it or convinced of it, it has to come from the people themselves,..anything else and its just not worth it.

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STP,
thanks and i accept your acknowledgement of having misunderstod my words.

i agree with you with what you said, here.

i wonder if this sis teh nature of some men or they are presssured.
both were going in onwards, but then one suddenly pulled back and did not take any stand to show commitment.

the issue is not of ego, but one of betrayal on one side, and miserable hurt on the other.

in fact, they are decisively made to turn out to be failed.
Allah allows for it. it is not a sin as long as ethics are kept in mind.
debates, arguments, and convincing is seen as neediness where as it is only a call for giving a good honest look at the whole and the positive of the relationship as well.
i wish we can prevent such misery as it makes parents feel that relationships identified and built independently are not worth anything -

may the man and the woman always take a stand, if their feelings were true to each other. amen.

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true, that both genders engage in this self destructive behavior whether they see it as such or not.
time lost that could have been spent in building a home, starting a family, is WASTED in still guessing who is who and what the other person would be worth!
or the man is pressured to be the way he is - either due to a past memory of a broken heart incidence, or due to family pressures, or due to simply having never looked at the young woman (simply because she is different), as someone who absolutely can be a good life partner.

here is an example - the woman smoked and drank - not socially but alone and did not ever commit any other undignified acts of immorality (toba astaghfaar). it was disclosed at the start of the relationship.
the man asks for dropping these habits right away and it was done.
it was a very private thing that is discussed with him, he keeps saying he wont let his family know about it, and yet, this is being seen as a threat, besides other alibis that are made - height is not accepted to the Mom of the man, the young woman's ideas are non conventional - such as being helping to weak women in standing for their rights, she is not religious, apparently determined without having known whether she is or not...
and to add insult to injury - human emotions of love are seen as a trap.
and predicting wedding and what happens after wards is placed as an onus on the woman to answer all these big questions.
personalities are now being seen as diff. - months later.& now, things are frozen in time, with all the sorrow that one can possibly bear within oneself.
even if you moved ahead by getting back together, when the man will realize what he has done, where he was not strong...
it will still hurt the woman to see him suffer and that is the only reason she is trying to save him from feeling alone. unless he sees this as this...
being sensitive and honorable, not giving up is , i guess, an extra privileged LOAD, some women tend to have especially, women who support justice.
she breaks all the rules of self respect and with out chasing, calls out for a reconsideration, knowing what she knows about him, believing in his words from before... and yet he is silent, plays quiet on purpose.
is it not too much?
something tells that this is not due to the man himself, or maybe god forbid, it is him.

i wish we can prevent such misery as it makes parents feel that relationships identified and built independently are not worth anything -

long story short - blames are misplaced. true feelings are suppressed, one side is shut out, other is trying to forge in with all the faith it has.

time will tell, who made out well and who did not.

people tell, reading books like "he is not into you'' is a good thing to snap out of the fallacy of hope as at least a woman's heart contains only pure hope.

of course, walking away will ultimately be the choice.

confusion must never taint relationships, i pray to Allah for this.

some women do not lie on purpose, men must begin to learn this and learn to respect this.

rest is up to destiny and the Maker's plans.

dushwari

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Sometimes it is better to waste that time instead of getting into a relationship that won't work in future for whatever reason.

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and your edit was forsome learning to take away??
speak up!

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Desperation brings disasters.

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Dushwari, I see from your posts that you are going through a hard time in your life.

One or two isolated incidents with men don't automatically make it ok for you to declare all men evil or bad... lol as much as you it may make you feel better.. you know deep down that it isn't true... don't you?

There are good men out there... you're just bitter now, that's all....

Trust me, the more you dwell on such matters, the more confused and upset you are going to become.

Just take whatever good or bad that has happened to you as Allah's will... take it in stride, don't let it break you down...nothing is life is worth ruining your life over...you cannot see what the benefit of this is now, but i'm sure you'll understand better in the future.

Best of luck to you girl, just be happy and stay strong.
These bad days too shall pass... and one day you'll look back at all this and realize it was soo not worth the pain... cheer up, life is too short :)

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I sure don't want to get a long lecture in return.

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Ok guys lets cut her some slack... I doubt she would say anything offensive if she weren't so emotional... clearly she's going through a rough time and therefore on edge, I can understand where she's coming from... heartbreak can cause you to do/say some crazy things, let it go.. :)

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Sabriyah786, thanks for empathy.

it is not crazy on my part, really.
we have accepted break ups like a cracked mug or a pair of glasses that break and new ones can replace the old ones.

one sided honesty does not work this way.
there is no replacement for this particular one.
alibis like:
it was not meant to be
he was a bad man
his family is not approving of you, so why bother
he himself is unsure of himself
or there is another young woman he can toss around emotionally

are not the reasons i ever foresaw in his contacts with me.

he is locked up, on purpose, or due to some pressures, somewhere, where i cannot reach out into. & he has caused this barrier. which is terrible for me.

i refuse to accept that he is cheap.
his friends or family might make him feel anti-me.
but, Allah knows, and
HE KNOWS IN HIS HEART THAT I AM TRUE TO HIM, EVEN THOUGH I SPEAK MY MIND AND EVEN THOUGH I AM TOUGH.
that he takes back a proposal, is not plainly fair to me.

and on grounds like... oh, our personalities dont meet (after months of comunicating eith each other, after his mom and sister having visited me as the only proposal i ever allowed to step inside my Father's house.
i am very hurt,
esp. since his family and he misjudged me horribly, merely for me being educated and aware of women rights.

it is not emotionality on my part.
it is his helplessness at age 30, to be so doubtful & so weak. and that is so disabling for anyone.

May Allah give him peace, maturity and realization of human emotion of purity and fearless ness from induced doubts.
all i want is for him to know that what i am reckoning outside, and he is i pray contemplating inside, whether to be together, now, after all the cruel misgivings we will embrace eachother.

or else, you are all correct - i have to become a stone- hearted young woman.

dushwari