Ohio Governor bans outsourcing; India Inc. cries foul

[Kudlaguy]

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If you are not smart enough to come up with rational answers to my post(s) then please stop spamming my thread with your uninvited personal attacks.

Thank you!

There was a specific question to you. You refused to answer it and began the self agg*****zement of having lowly paid Indians working under you. Why dont you be graceful enough to admit what sort of industry are you working. It would give a better perspective.

Also returning to the topic, we have to understand no country will do something that is against its basic interests. Since most of the companies see value in outsourcing, nothing can be done to stop it. There would be some hue and cry here and there from people who do not understand the big picture. This needs to be ignored.

[Kudlaguy]

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India outsourcing companies offers cheaper alternative for the more expensive western wages and costs, eventually when there is cheaper alternative to india the work will shift to the new country. I am happy if india can lift their people out of poverty i wish Pakistan government would do same but they so corrupt i don't have faith in them but in the people i have faith they can do anything if they put their mind to it.

Nobody denies that outsourcing to India would stop the moment these companies find a cheaper alternative who can provide good quality work. It is not because the western companies have any love for India are they outsourcing to India. It makes perfect business sense for them to do so.

[kprasad]

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Who said that I have at any point ever been engaged in employing or am currently in a process of retaining employments of such people, another instance of smart Indian with absolute scarcity of sagacity to correctly impart my post(s).

I would like to rectify your misconstrued pertaining to the legal minimum wages in my state, for the record it is $7.21 per hour, thus, if someone was to be employed for the exact state minimum of $7.21 they would end up getting paid exactly $13843.20 per year, hence, it is quite generous of employer to round off their salary to $14000.00 per year and that, would be a whopping $156.80 (of course for an Indian) more than the state minimum, which I believe is fair enough for the people of such an ignoble degree of competence.

A couple of things first: The Department of Labor has a prevailing wage requirement. So, anyone working in the US with a H1-B, or any other temporary work visa, must be paid the prevailing wage for the profession. Unless you're in the janitorial services and are mistaking illegal Mexican immigrants for Indians, you're simply wrong. So, your postulation is, simply, grossly inaccurate. That it demonstrates a lack of knowledge on the subject matter is all together another thing.

Second: The decision was spurred by an American company with operations South of the US border. Indian companies may fuss and howl, but they do that just because they have to. Outsourcing by the governments of various states is very small. Indian companies are largely in the private industry, where they love the ROI on outsourcing.

Third: Indian companies are savvy. When they bid on contracts from regional governments, they make sure the work is being done in the US, with US staff, and often within the state. What's allows them, Indian companies, to provide a better value is their capitalization. Because they derive most of their revenue from the private sector, where outsourcing is prevalent, they can provide a tremendous value to the governments. That is, because all their infrastructure costs are much lower, they can charge a much lower rate.

Nobody denies that outsourcing to India would stop the moment these companies find a cheaper alternative who can provide good quality work. It is not because the western companies have any love for India are they outsourcing to India. It makes perfect business sense for them to do so.

This is incorrect. India isn't just a point of outsourcing, like China isn't simply a point of manufacturing. India is a growing economy. Not as fast as China, but growing very fast nonetheless. A market also exists in India. It's not uncommon to see McKinsey & Company or Perot systems getting deals in India. The value proposition of India isn't short term cost cutting, but long term profit generating.

[GoodMD2B]

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There was a specific question to you. You refused to answer it and began the self agg*****zement of having lowly paid Indians working under you. Why dont you be graceful enough to admit what sort of industry are you working. It would give a better perspective.

Also returning to the topic, we have to understand no country will do something that is against its basic interests. Since most of the companies see value in outsourcing, nothing can be done to stop it. There would be some hue and cry here and there from people who do not understand the big picture. This needs to be ignored.

Poor choice of words yet, it is your own prerogative to us as much twaddle as you like.

In the midst of civilized societies such as the United States public clamors are often deliberated exceedingly stalwart, thus the public has inherent power to set the rules onerous enough for the government to kneel down hence the public opinion is always deemed the final frontier. Ohio Offshore Outsourcing ban and humongous corporate tax increase seems to be the result of this upheaval.

[Takethat_Sixer]

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Who said that I have at any point ever been engaged in employing or am currently in a process of retaining employments of such people, another instance of smart Indian with absolute scarcity of sagacity to correctly impart my post(s).

I would like to rectify your misconstrued pertaining to the legal minimum wages in my state, for the record it is $7.21 per hour, thus, if someone was to be employed for the exact state minimum of $7.21 they would end up getting paid exactly $13843.20 per year, hence, it is quite generous of employer to round off their salary to $14000.00 per year and that, would be a whopping $156.80 (of course for an Indian) more than the state minimum, which I believe is fair enough for the people of such an ignoble degree of competence.

what do you have - a reading problem or a comprehension problem? I said prevailing wages and you are talking minimum wages! Regardless of what US state there is a federal mandate on comparable prevailing wages condition that employers have to satisfy if they are to import workers - whether from India or from anywhere. You claimed that you have bunch of Indians working under you for 14K....so my question to you is :

1) did you bring in Indians to pluck strawberries or clean toilettes at minimum wages? if you did you are going to jail because you are not supposed to do that - because these are not job categories eligible for imported workers (except under the migrant workers / field labor law which is almost totally used by Mexicans to COMMUTE work; I doubt if any Indian laborer will be commuiting to work for your from India or Mexico

2) did you bring in IT workers and paid them 14K? in that case you are going to jail because you did not meet prevailing wage conditions

3) or did you just make it up? in that case you will escape jail but can start eating crow

[Takethat_Sixer]

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by the way in case people here don't know about it, I think it was just last year that the same 'governor' sang praises of TCS or Infosys and took pictures of him giving the grand tour to executives from India. TCS (or INFY I am not sure) actually opened a facility in Ohio and hired hundreds of locals.

Point to understand is two-fold:
1) the governor came up with this 'ban' because he was seeing poll numbers in his election campaign
2) the so called 'ban' is applicable for a miniscule segment of outsourcing

While you will hear objections from India Inc because they are a business and have to do that, in terms of real impact there is very little.

[GoodMD2B]

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@Takethat_Sixer

what do you have - a reading problem or a comprehension problem? I said prevailing wages and you are talking minimum wages! Regardless of what US state there is a federal mandate on comparable prevailing wages condition that employers have to satisfy if they are to import workers - whether from India or from anywhere. You claimed that you have bunch of Indians working under you for 14K....so my question to you is :

1) did you bring in Indians to pluck strawberries or clean toilettes at minimum wages? if you did you are going to jail because you are not supposed to do that - because these are not job categories eligible for imported workers (except under the migrant workers / field labor law which is almost totally used by Mexicans to COMMUTE work; I doubt if any Indian laborer will be commuiting to work for your from India or Mexico

2) did you bring in IT workers and paid them 14K? in that case you are going to jail because you did not meet prevailing wage conditions

3) or did you just make it up? in that case you will escape jail but can start eating crow

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ----- THE FOLLY OF YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE STARTING TO GRATE ON ME, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO UTTER SUCH A SHEER NONSNSE AGAINST ME, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN JUST BARGE IN HERE WITH A GROUP OF YOUR GOGS AND MAGOGS AND TRY TO PERSECUTE AND PERSISTENTLY HARASS ME WITH YOUR VAIN COMMENTS REGARDING JAIL AND THE LAW, AND THEN GET AWAY WITH IT WITHOUT BEING GIVEN FECES IN RETURN, FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE LAW OF THE LAND VERY WELL SO ENOUGH OF YOUR BALDERDASH.

NOW IF YOU WOULD EXCUSE ME I HAVE FOLLOWING COMMENTS TO MAKE.

Since we are talking about sixty billion dollar industry and Indian outsourcing sector somehow being able to generate around 70% of its business from the United States for the past decade or so, I can easily perceive Indian balk, simply out of its sheer panic of loosing this business, moreover, I can accept tolerantly and sympathetically, Indians being cheesed off simply by the existence of this very thread and your chintzy way of attacking me in every comment that you post just out of Indian nationalism and super patriotism…

Consider this ----- First Ohio governor bans Offshore Outsourcing from his state ----- then a proposed new tax code by President Obama that would end tax breaks to corporations which create Offshore jobs and profits ----- then a new immigration bill that would eventually raise coast of work visa hurting Indian firms such as Infosys and Tata Consultancy, to me this is a clear indication of Obama administration’s intentions to curb Offshore Outsourcing US jobs to India… TATA to Offshore Outsourcing and hello to healthy US economy…

I can clearly see that you being an Indian are only here to boast India having cut her teeth on Offshore Outsourcing nevertheless you completely tend to negate and nullify the fact of US economy being hurt by Offshore Outsourcing and a start of the “Trade War” between India and the United States…

[khoji]

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it would definitely occur to you that, my posts, in any way, do not contain any signs of abomination against India or people indigenous to India.

Then what was that "MARVARIE" stuff?

[GoodMD2B]

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Then what was that "MARVARIE" stuff?

Then what do poor Mexicans have to do with this thread?????

[zzebie]

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GoodMD2B,

I do not believe what you are saying, but If you are stating the facts, this is a serious situation. People coming here to the US if working on an H1B visa in the IT sector, do not and should not get paid as per the minimum wages scale. As an ideal citizen you should be reporting this to the authorities. Let me know if you want to discuss more in this regard.

Also if you are in the IT sector, you must be knowing that Indians in general have done quite well for themselves in this sector. Be it the application industry or the technology industry. Of course does not mean that every other Indian is good with computers as is true with any other community.

Regards,
zz

@GoodMD2B

How long have you been in IT business? What segment of IT do you work in? What makes you think that you can become an expert on US economy just by visiting the US a couple of times?

You Indian ********* I was born and raised in the US, now talk with one foot in your mouth. There are scores of Indians who work for $14000.00 a year right under my subordination, I tell them what to do, they salute me and reply yes boss.

Offshore outsourcing was thought to be America's ultimate competitive advantage in the past, but it has proven to be a grave challenge today, after trying to beat each other in the contest of speed that led to the knee jerk acceptance to offshore outsourcing by corporate America ----- just to save few dollars ----- America has experienced a huge setback in manufacturing sector where 2.7 million jobs have been lost since 2000, IT industries which is defined to include four major segments 1) Computer Hardware, 2) Communications Equipment 3) Communications Services 4) Software and Computer Services have been the hardest hit since early 2000s where 14 million U.S. jobs were at risk of being exporting over the next 15 years and guess what ----- these jobs are gone ----- just for the IT industries from $800 billion to $900 billion in wages each year have already moved offshore.

Banks, insurance companies, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, airlines, utility providers and many more are among the corporations that offshore outsource American jobs such as data entry, call centers telemarketing, accounting, human resources and help desk.

Major U.S. corporations such as Bank of America, Dell, American Express, Citicorp, Chrysler, IBM, Oracle, Delta Air Lines and many more have thousands of employes in India, Philippines, China, Russia, Ireland, Israel, Poland, Malaysia and even Canada, thus the bottom line is that the loss of our manufacturing, services and IT jobs is real and it is causing pain to our workers. The problem is complex and has to be addressed properly and immediately.

[yazdi]

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[aaho]

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Well as far as I know about Germany. During the time IT sector just got a boom, Germany imported many Indians for IT work, offered them immigration. Although within years IT sector started losing its grip due to outsourcing. So they started rejecting immigration and also took back the immigration process of many IT people and sent them back to home or else where.

[Takethat_Sixer]

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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ----- THE FOLLY OF YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE STARTING TO GRATE ON ME, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO UTTER SUCH A SHEER NONSNSE AGAINST ME, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN JUST BARGE IN HERE WITH A GROUP OF YOUR GOGS AND MAGOGS AND TRY TO PERSECUTE AND PERSISTENTLY HARASS ME WITH YOUR VAIN COMMENTS REGARDING JAIL AND THE LAW, AND THEN GET AWAY WITH IT WITHOUT BEING GIVEN FECES IN RETURN, FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE LAW OF THE LAND VERY WELL SO ENOUGH OF YOUR BALDERDASH.

NOW IF YOU WOULD EXCUSE ME I HAVE FOLLOWING COMMENTS TO MAKE.

No you will NOT be excused that easily because you did post the following:

@GoodMD2B

How long have you been in IT business? What segment of IT do you work in? What makes you think that you can become an expert on US economy just by visiting the US a couple of times?

You Indian ********* I was born and raised in the US, now talk with one foot in your mouth. There are scores of Indians who work for $14000.00 a year right under my subordination, I tell them what to do, they salute me and reply yes boss.

So it is absolutely correct for me to ask you whether you just lied about employing Indians below prevailing wages or if you did not lie, in that case you have committed a major and criminal breach of US immigration law punishable by fines, reparations, punitive damages PLUS incarceration of all principals involved.

So if you just lied why not admit it instead of blowing the top and yelling at me for YOUR mistake?

[Takethat_Sixer]

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Well as far as I know about Germany. During the time IT sector just got a boom, Germany imported many Indians for IT work, offered them immigration. Although within years IT sector started losing its grip due to outsourcing. So they started rejecting immigration and also took back the immigration process of many IT people and sent them back to home or else where.

Actually Germany could not find enough Indians to come and take advantage of the 10000 or so (this is a while I ago I read so, not sure of the number) slots they opened up for Indians

[khoji]

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Then what do poor Mexicans have to do with this thread?????

Marwaries may or may not be poor.

[khoji]

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you have committed a major and criminal breach of US immigration law punishable by fines, reparations, punitive damages PLUS incarceration of all principals involved.

Good point.

[Takethat_Sixer]

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^ not just making a point; it is a serious issue. This guy comes here and insults Indians left right and center, says he has Indians run around doing his bidding for 14K and calls them inept, calls racial slurs on them .... when you call his bluff he feigns indignation in capital letters!

If I didn't think this guy is just a worthless India hater lying through his teeth and got caught because his brains don't work, I'd have called the US Bureau of Citizenship & Immigration on him to investigate. But based on the way he has wuzzed out I am fairly certain he has just been lying, so don't want to waste the Bureau's time

[GoodMD2B]

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Marwaries may or may not be poor.

Same goes for Mexicans, all of them may not be illegal in the US.

[GoodMD2B]

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If I didn't think this guy is just a worthless India hater lying through his teeth and got caught because his brains don't work, I'd have called the US Bureau of Citizenship & Immigration on him to investigate. But based on the way he has wuzzed out I am fairly certain he has just been lying, so don't want to waste the Bureau's time

I consider your threats very seriously, for the last time, please refrain from your absurd threats.

[Takethat_Sixer]

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I consider your threats very seriously, for the last time, please refrain from your absurd threats.

No threat, I am informing you of your erring ways and the legal consequences if what you posted here is true. Don't keep avoiding the question - did you commit the crime you said you did (of employing people way below prevailing wages) or did you just lie about it?