Ohio Governor bans outsourcing; India Inc. cries foul

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10854776/ohio-ban-threatens-indian-it-firms.html

Ohio governor bans outsourcing; India Inc. cries foul
By Karvy Global

Indian IT giants Infosys Technologies(INFY), Wipro(WIT) and Patni Computer Systems(PTI) face a challenge in the form of an outsourcing ban by the state of Ohio, particularly if it inspires other states to limit foreign outsourcing of government work.

In executive order last month, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland banned outsourcing of government IT and back-office projects to offshore locations such as India. The news comes as Indian IT companies are dealing with higher visa fees in the U.S.
“There are pervasive service delivery problems with offshore providers, including dissatisfaction with the quality of their services and with the fact that services are being provided offshore,” Strickland said in the executive order. The governor added that offshore outsourcing not only threatens jobs, but carries associated privacy and identity theft risks as well, according to Computer World.

The ban comes after it was discovered that Parago Inc., a Texas-based company hired by Ohio Department of Development to monitor a rebate program for new energy-efficient appliances, used call center workers in El Salvador. This prompted Governor Strickland to pass this order, in a bid to pre-empt further use of public funds for offshore services.

Amanda Wurst, a spokesperson for Strickland, told Computer World Friday that the state of Ohio upholds the policy that public funds should not be spent on offshore services.

Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) is the only Indian company operating in Ohio, where it employs 400 people. The company receives tax credits and other incentives worth $19 million for creating local jobs. In fact, in November 2007, Governor Strickland had asked TCS to open a delivery center in Ohio. TCS reports that it has 10,700 foreign employees, and of that number, 7% are Americans.

Commenting on Tata, Wurst told Computer World, “The governor worked hard to bring Tata Consultancy to Ohio, where the company is making investments and creating jobs for Ohio workers. That’s called insourcing, for which the governor makes no apologies. Similarly, he makes no apologies for his longstanding opposition to the outsourcing of Ohio jobs.”

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has banned outsourcing, arguing that this undermines economic development and has unacceptable business consequences for his state. Bravo it is a very good start the outsourcing not only needs to be baned in Ohio yet all fifty American States must follow in the foot steps of Governor Strickland’s foot steps.

“Outsourcing jobs does not reflect Ohio values,” Strickland said in a statement after he signed an executive order banning outsourcing. Reacting to the order, the Indian IT sector, which gets 60 per cent of its export revenue from the US, termed the move as discriminatory and said it amounts to a trade barrier. As a matter of fact Outsourcing jobs does not reflect AMERICAN VALUES

The move, which comes ahead of US President Barack Obama’s visit to India in November, follows a controversial legislation that increased H-1B and L1 visa fees, hitting India’s over USD 50 billion IT industry. Nothing is free in America if you want to travel to THE GOOD OLD USA to conduct your business then you have to pay for it.

My Comments:

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has banned outsourcing, arguing that this undermines economic development and has unacceptable business consequences for his state. Bravo it is a very good start the outsourcing not only needs to be baned in Ohio yet all fifty American States must follow in the foot steps of Governor Strickland’s foot steps.

“Outsourcing jobs does not reflect Ohio values,” Strickland said in a statement after he signed an executive order banning outsourcing. Reacting to the order, the Indian IT sector, which gets 60 per cent of its export revenue from the US, termed the move as discriminatory and said it amounts to a trade barrier. As a matter of fact Outsourcing jobs does not reflect AMERICAN VALUES

The move, which comes ahead of US President Barack Obama’s visit to India in November, follows a controversial legislation that increased H-1B and L1 visa fees, hitting India’s over USD 50 billion IT industry. Nothing is free in America if you want to travel to THE GOOD OLD USA to conduct your business then you have to pay for it.

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But doesn't the honerable Governor of Ohio know that Indians were here before the white man and his laws! :)

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Hey, wasn't India more powerful than America?? Or was it a Hindu myth? :p

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LOL

You seem to be an Indian and I can understand your frustration and anger at the good Governor of Ohio, however if you put your self into our shoes, you would be able to clearly comprehend our side of the problem.

Due to the evil of Offshore Outsourcing many many American families have been suffering for a long time, we just need to put an end to this grave evil across the board by banning Offshore Outsourcing from all fifty States... PERIOD.

As for as concerns regarding Indian economy being doomed by these laws, hey we are sorry that India would have to suffer by these changes, but, charity begins at home, and beside Indians are doing a lousy job any ways.

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With unemployment hovering around 10% or higher in the US expect more of this. The problem with Indian companies is that many of them when working on projects in the US they bring in people from India to work on those projects, any people don't like that. That is why they changed the laws and increase the visa fees recently.

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True I have seen many Indians working for mere $14000.00 a year right here in the US what a joke.

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What a joke !!!

What kind of jobs are you talking about. I am an Indian and have been to US couple of times. I also work in the IT sector. I seriously dont think there are people in the IT sector who are willing to work for this pay in US. You might be talking about the pay that they get in India, not in US. It sometimes helps to think rather than just blabber.

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Seriously do you think that this can be implemented. Costs are lowered because of outsourcing. Do you seriously think, manufacturing outsourcing can be banned. Just because India is getting benefited, it does not mean that all states in US are so foolish to ban outsourcing.

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How long have you been in IT business? What segment of IT do you work in?
What makes you think that you can become an expert on US economy just by visiting the US a couple of times?

You Indian ********* I was born and raised in the US, now talk with one foot in your mouth. There are scores of Indians who work for $14000.00 a year right under my subordination, I tell them what to do, they salute me and reply yes boss.

Offshore outsourcing was thought to be America's ultimate competitive advantage in the past, but it has proven to be a grave challenge today, after trying to beat each other in the contest of speed that led to the knee jerk acceptance to offshore outsourcing by corporate America ----- just to save few dollars ----- America has experienced a huge setback in manufacturing sector where 2.7 million jobs have been lost since 2000, IT industries which is defined to include four major segments 1) Computer Hardware, 2) Communications Equipment 3) Communications Services 4) Software and Computer Services have been the hardest hit since early 2000s where 14 million U.S. jobs were at risk of being exporting over the next 15 years and guess what ----- these jobs are gone ----- just for the IT industries from $800 billion to $900 billion in wages each year have already moved offshore.

Banks, insurance companies, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, airlines, utility providers and many more are among the corporations that offshore outsource American jobs such as data entry, call centers telemarketing, accounting, human resources and help desk.

Major U.S. corporations such as Bank of America, Dell, American Express, Citicorp, Chrysler, IBM, Oracle, Delta Air Lines and many more have thousands of employes in India, Philippines, China, Russia, Ireland, Israel, Poland, Malaysia and even Canada, thus the bottom line is that the loss of our manufacturing, services and IT jobs is real and it is causing pain to our workers. The problem is complex and has to be addressed properly and immediately.

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No I have no problems India benefiting with Offshore Outsourcing yet I do have major problems with US workers loosing their life long of hard work to Indians or any one for that matter.

Yes I do believe that eventually all fifty US States would have to realize the dire need to outlaw Offshore Outsourcing, it is just a matter of time, the fact of the matter is, that I see it coming in the near future so you better seek cover.

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I have been in the industry long enough to understand the nuances of the IT industry. I have worked with US client all my professional life and I know the industry very well.

Seriously do you have a reading comprehension problem. I asked a specific question. I said there would not be an IT professional worth his salt to work on this low wages. Please read again and maybe then you would understand.
From the kind of language that you use, I can very well understand the kind of industry that you are in.
And for those people who have to work with you well "Good Luck to those guys". If you have just some knowledge of the IT industry you would have understood that things dont work in the way you just mentioned.

OK... So the solution is to ban Outsourcing. Cool.

And they are waiting for you to come up with suggestions...LOL

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What a joke !!!

All the big companies that have offshored would be playing the fiddle when this happens.

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good stuff

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This thread is a classic case of “Cutting off the nose to spite the face”.

About two years ago one routinely read in Pakistani newspapers about the rapid growth of BPO sector in Pakistan. This step will also hurt Pakistani companies which do outsourced work. But since this may hurt India, it must be good for Pakistan ! :nahi:

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I see another bad in this, what will those 10,000 Indians do with a computer and an internet connection? Will we see more Pakistan and Islam bashers on forums and news websites all over the internet? :hehe:

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There seem to be a little jumble that is perhaps taking our Indian friends adrift and off course from the gist of the argument here, as I have previously mentioned in my posts that this thread is neither out of any animosity against India nor in favor of Pakistan, but the essence of this discussion is to overview devastating effects on American economy caused by Outsourcing US jobs to India.

Now getting to the main point, since I was talking in reference to the American economy, before a wise analysis can be made here, the cause and effect and the opportunity cost of Offshore Outsourcing U.S. must be taken under consideration.

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Don't sweat your self, the Americans are known to make things turn around.

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The U.S. Produces scores of IT professionals every year, an average student pursuing an IT degree in the U.S. falls under whopping financial obligations by the end of their degree, that is just to break even, not to mention at least six years of their lives spent on education,

People who reach out to an extent of taking out such huge amounts of loans and spending long periods of their lives on education would definitely have a right to recover their initial investments plus the long term profits in the form of comfortable living, decent provisions, reasonable healthcare and transportation ---------- don't they?????

If these Americans want comfortable lives they would be righteous and justified to chose what’s best for them, unlike Indian MARVARIES who are either brought to US on guest work visa or hired Offshore and paid peanuts.

These Indians who are brought to the US live in one or two room apartments in some skid row by the dozen, eat daal to save money to send it back to their poor relatives back in India.

Most Americans, who attain education right here in the US are extremely witty, adroitly impressive and strikingly competent as Compared to INDIAN MARVARIES, Americans are raised to strive for being excellent all their lives unlike INDIAN MARVARIES who just pollute our economy by stealing our jobs, on the other hand Americans make strenuous efforts to be the finest of the finest they are the best for their state of the art ways to impart knowledge and skills and excellent modus op, these American are also way smarter as compared to INDIAN MARVARIES thus Americans like to get paid way more that INDIAN MARVARIES...

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A very long reply and still no answer to the question. For your kind information, most of the fortune 500 companies offshore and a great amount of tech work is being done out of India. If the work done out of India was crap, these companies would have stopped offshoring.l understand it is difficult for you to think, but you could atleast try.

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why are you using language like "our economy" and "our jobs"?

pakistan's economy/jobs are totally irrelevant in this discussion about india and america.