Oh God , we have wasted 1400 years and still.....

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can anybody tell me where is that "utopia" in which there is no differences ...........

**there is even differences between sahaba and the prophet(peace be upon him) on day of battle uhad , when prophet(PBUH) and seniour sahaba wanted to fight inside medina to use houses of medina as little forts but young youth with zeal and zest , disagreed and prophet(peace be upon him) accepted their view and went out in battle field.Now being after defeat and 70 sahaba shaheed , prophet(pbuh) never even said a single word aganist them.

** in ghazva khundaq when in a crucial time , prophet(pbuh)wanted to sign aggrement with jews not to betray and in reward signed a truce to give some fruits farms of medina , sahabas like leaders of two ansari tribes hazrat ssad bin muaz and hazrat saad bin ubada (ra) asked prophet(pbuh) that is it from Allah and h replied not but my will the those two sahaba said ishallah Allah is with ous and we will be victorious so prophet asked the truce writer to give the truce to prophet (pbuh_ and saad bin muaz(ra) himself with his hands tore the the truce into pieces.
now see that the difference and even wityh a prophet(pbuh) but no one said anything and could say anything because it is approval of the prophet(peace be upon him)

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i agree with Cresecent Warrior but i have a little complaint againt salafis/wahabis that if they also listen to other views and points and not say that only we are right and everything else has deviated then , i think situation will become more pleasent , this is my personal opinion.I do not knoow what others think about that........

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Osma is the most fundamentalist wahabi these days! They want to impose their version of Islam by force on earth!

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wiil you believe it.......
there are thousands of ayat of qurann in which there is a great differences among sahaba.For example about a particular verse , hazra ali(ra) says this ayyverse is revealed in medina, hazra abdullah ibne masood(ra) says , no , it is revealed in makkak , abdullah ibne abbas(ra) says iit is revealed both in makkah and medina and so on....... about a particular verse abuzar ghaffari(ra) says its about the time when in makkah there was less opposition in early age , hazrat zaid(ra) says , no , it is time when opposition was at its peak in the last years of makkah , abdullah ibne abbas(ra) says no , its about a time of early migration to allah , hazrat aysha(ra says thi ere i bou prtiyr inient but imam masrooq says no , its about a different incident and so on and so on and so on............................................................................................................................................................!!!!!!

now , from history , tell me single word, which these great sahabas had said to each other due to this dispute among them , you will not in a singe word..........

But you know , we are """"" more """"" knowledgable then sahabas,"" more"' religiously committed, so fight on these """" major issues """"" because on day of judgemaent , Allah will not ask about prayers , how we spend our youth , jihad bi nafs, how you help poor and needy , Allah will niot ask mthat my prophet(pbuh) told you that(((poverty will bring anyone to kufar))) what you do for them ????
but HE will ask about these '''''''''''''' major differences"'''''''''''''''' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But Mostar you cannot blame a attitude of a single person as the same as all people belonging to that.............

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Remember the hadees of prophet(peace be upon him) that is ( the dispute between my ummah is also rahmat ) ...... but we make it a zahmat by our own attitudes and behaviours.

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*** there are thousands of car leased from banks on the road as it is in quran that interest is like a war between alllah and his prophet(pbuh) and a pwerson who take or give interest.But no body cares . Our whole banking System based on interset, not even a single voice against that..............

***hadees says" ((((((when there is zina and sood(interest) in a society , then its means that this society has invited the "azab" of Allah )))

Zina has exceeded to huge toll.Even in house there is zina of ears(music) , zina of eyes( wtching cable) , zina of hands( channel surfing and masturbation) , zina of feet ( to go to the places of crowded opposite gender), zina of heart ( the lustful thoughts) and the only thing remains whether you do it practically or not as in hadees.

But nobody take action against that .But ifsome one says i do prayer without ""rafa yadain""", uffffffffffffff.............. there come an earthquake ....................... "will you do not rafa yadain ", repeat all your prayers , all of your previous prayers are wrong.................................................................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just look at this incident................

it is narrated that" when holy prophet(peace be upon him) ordered muslims to go to Khyber in 7 hijri , he told the sahaba not to put out their arms until reached Khyber so during thier way to Khyber time of Asr prayer came and some sahaba offered Asr prayer their while other group of sahaba said that prophet(peace be upon him) said not to put off arms until reach Khyber so they performed their ar prayer on reaching kyber.Now both groups came to prophet(peace be upon him) and asked which is wright or which group is wrong.The prophet(peace be upon him) answered that"Both are correct" as one intention is to offer prayer as commanment of Allah and other preffered my order but the intentions of both groups is correct ,only interpretaton of my saying looks different to both so both are correct." And it is the shaheeh and authentic hadees of prophet(peace be upon him.

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i am not faqeeh means nor i read fuqah nor i am a scolar but the points raised are not so great only interpretation is different for example said that Ahle hadees recite Surah fatiha other not but here again come the same thing .According to hanafi and other school of thought , they take the ayat of quran( when quran is being recited , you should listen quitely) i do not rmember the ezxct but its like that.But ahle hadees take the hadees of Bukhari shareef ( there is no prayer in which Fatiha is not recited).So you see the only difference is the way we look upthe matter .Both of them have correct intention , both of them have good sound knowledge but their own "Ijtihad" not going away from sunnah and Quran. So the dispute dissolved automatically.Just take it as a man looking a sunlight from prism and by slightly changing the position , one see red , yellow , green blue violet and so on.So these colours are different but ultimately all they have the same root , the White colour.So my brother all is that .................................................. .................................................. ........................................... but we make a himalyaya of it !!!!!!!!!!!!

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I am not against any sect or school of thought , and i feel sorry if i heart someone's feelings unintentionally but i am against only these differenes which we consider that " yaar pata nahin kitnay baray maslay masail hain " but if you anaylyze , in most cases , its like a situation like """ khoda pahar nikla chua"""" ......................... of no worth consideration .Its like you have to pass a matric or FSc. exams and instead of you go through the 10 or 11 chapters of the whole course , you start a topic of the least important chapter , having .00001% chance to come in the exams., and devote your whole time to it till say of exams come................ thats i personally think ..............

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I want replies from all readers which read all this .To me , their views are important than anything else because everyone thinks in its own way , have its own potential and have its own unique way of thinking.....................
May be my views are wrong because i am not a scholar , i am just a sinful creatue of god with full of mistakes and faults and i am thankful too all who give his or her views , it will be heartily welcomed ,as
always..................................

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it is the post of:
Who is in foot-steps of the Messenger?

because it is relevant to the topic , so i also write it here for the convenience of readers..........

but brother , sorry to say , shia sunni conflict dates back its origin even wen prophet(pbuh) was not born . BAnu hashim , banu ummayyah and banu makhzoom have tribal conflict but quraish , due to kaaba , have superiority , latter , makhzom left the race and match remains between banu hashim and ummayyah , latter in hazrat abu bakr and hazrat umar(ra) period unfortunately , banu hashim not took part in wars of syria , iran , egypt , and jordan but ummayyah did this and they become governors and high official in many provinces and had control over the wealth and government administration .So at time of hazrat umar(ra) , his intention was to make hazrat ali(ra) khaifah after him but " his inner eyes are looking behind the scene" . there is a chance of dispute in 22, 000 00 sq. km. vast government . in which mostly ummayyah , how can hazrat umar(ra) by pass them , its very dangerous for ummah, so he set up a committe of 6 and when ties between hazrat uusman(ra) and ali(ra) , abdur rahman bin auf(ra) inquired from many houses of medina and mostly voted in favour of usman(ra). and so he became caliph . Take a picture of pakistan , if in punjab , sind , NWFP , and balochistan , all 4 provinces have a government of nawaz sharif , will the central goverment be of benazir bhutto ?????????????, will this government can work undisputedly , not at all , same is the case here .................................................. ....... by god there is no difference off religion between ummyyah and hashim , hazrat ali*(ra) ever offered 3 prayers , never he wudoo startrd from feet , nor his kalma is added with (aliyyun waliyyun) , nor he believed that after me my family imams have "batni revelation" on them , and its is compulsory follow them , nothing such thing happen , even hazrat hassan(ra) guarded the usman(ra) home ibne abbas(ra) asked osman(ra) to fight them , the differece was just a political but unforunately ,abbasi khaleefah , and their barmaki wazirs , just hatred of arab conquest of iran , in their
"persian natonalism" gradually shanged even the minute details of basic faiths and unfortunately thsi also happens because some ummayyah khalliffah and officials also showed hatred to banu hashim , and this political dispute now grow into a major tree afte 1400 years , unfotunately, unfortunately , ufortunately...........................

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Seriously bro, after reading your first couple of posts I got tires. Can't understand what the overall meaning of your posts are. If you want to copy-paste, atleast make it easy for the rest of us to read.

As for Islam-qa, it's a great site but me being a Hanafi, I goto sunnipath, askimam.org daruliftaa... because I trust them more than Islam-qa.

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Sorry cricket playa for your pain in reading these long early posts from islam-qa.com.Actually the purpose of these are to clear the facts that at most of the time , misconceptions makes the picture dark and we cannot see the bright side of it.You see there is a lot of differences , as its seems, between different sects of islam , but actually first of all these are worthless to take into account and secondly people are usually in a habbit of makig a mountain of mole(rai ka pahar).
for example......

** i do not know about canada , but as far pakistan is concerned , there are a lot of salafi/wahabi which make a fun of sufis , sufism and imam abu haneefah, regarding sufis as innovators , sufism as nothing but a foolish practice and regardig abu haneefah that there are so large number of mistakes in his fiqah that you cannot follow him or other 3 schools of thoughts.So i give the 3 whole post from islam-qa , the pure wahabi/salafi and whose voice is considered as authority in saudi arabia and the whole islamic world that things are not so as they seems to be.I know its a bit tedious and difficult to go all through it but if i just gave the reference of site , hardly anyone actually wants to visit that sit and clear the misconceptions so its look better to me to copy and paste the whole 3 posts so thst readers conveniently on seeing the question , see the answers also , right below.

** also i want to tell salfis/ wahabis brothers and sisters is that we all as muslims consider the prayer the greatest pillar of islam but all that is not islam............. " rafay yadain , aameen bijahar and putting hands on chest "
and quarreliing upon these , wasting our energies and making foes instead of friends , that we do in whole of our life but keep our eyes close on our social , econimical , sociollogical issues and aspects of islam at all.Our islamic studies teacher , once teaching ous,told:

                       """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""   Boys , you think islam starts when you enters mosque but believe me , its starts when you leave the mosque"""""""""""""""""""""

and this is what , that i also believe....................

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yes true crieketplaya , anyone has a right to go to any site he likes.Well i like all of them equally..........

can u identify this pic? lets see if u can...part 4
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because i respect everyone views and "ijtihad" as long as it should not go away from quran and sunnah.

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this is my personal opinion and anyone can differ from it ........

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Thanks for your post.

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I humbly request all the readers and members to give thier own points of views , your personal thinkinkgs and your ideas about it.Anything that you want to share is always welcommed heartily , as always........

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Reply from masu2u :

Assalamu 'Alaykum

So brother what your trying to get at is this: You wouldn't mind these innovators and deviants doing what they are and spreading their mischief into the Ummah?

They have done a lot of damage so far through the secturies. , and Alhamdulillah our respected scholars will be refuting them all the time, its not energy-wasting, its their duty. Many of these salafis/wahhabis actually change after being shown their own faults. But at the end of the day, its Allah(swt) who guides.

We are enjoying the good and forbiding the evil in other words. We do not associate with them in their ignorance of the Sunnah of our beloved Nabi (PBUH). They derive meanings through their own desires from Sahih al Bukhari and other. Without even studying under a traditionally qualified scholar, even more not even hold any ijaza.....more like blind-following....will you not care for these brothers/sisters....and rather show them the true way?

We will never accept their beliefs such as Allah(swt) having the literal Hand (Yad), 2 Hands (Yadi), Eye ('Ayn), 2 Eyes ('Aynayn), Shin (Sakh), and also their ignorant belief that Allah(swt) is "Settled'' on the throne (Istikrar 'alal 'Arsh). Other things such as Allah's face, direction and other attributes of his creation.

Well and truly, no brother it don't make sense, we can compromise the brothers and sisters following either of the 4 schools and differing in opinions, as we know they are from the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'a. However, we cannot compromise these bunch of blind-followers. We should try our utmost best to pass on the right knowledge to them, otherwise they will be living with their ignorance, until Allah(swt) changes their hearts, souls and their methedology.

May Allah(swt) guide our deviant Salafi/Wahhabi brothers/sisters, amin.

Wassalaam