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Since when Isralis have cowardly suicided little children, men, women etc. ? That kind of primitive behavior rests with tribal Muslims. Sorry to say that!
It's not a jewish thing to do . I am waiting to hear or read of a jewish or christian person running amok in afghanistan with a strap on.
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I am under no illusions about the Israelis, they are nasty fighters in a nasty neighborhood. What I rail against is selective outrage, and the theory that if Israels enemies create mythical attrocities that somehow that creates a "win". After all, we just heard how "thousands" were killed in Jenin.
No, what you do is attempt to rationalize Israeli atrocities by pointing out "oh well Muslim despot X killed so many thousand...what do you have to say to that?" As if this somehow justifies Israeli neo-apartheid. Its ironic, because you exhibit the same kind of behavior you seem to be condemning Muslims for...
I am certain you know about the Syrian town of Hama? This rebellious city challenged the Syrian army. The army surrounded the city and bombarded it for days. The estimate was 25,000 killed, mostly civilians. Yet if you ask any Muslim the worst massacre was Sabra and Shatilla, which in terms of raw numbers can't even hold a candle to Hama. In fact in the 6 years I have visited here, it has never been brought up by a Muslim. The invisibility of Muslim on Muslim violence is stunning in comparison to the microscope the Jews operate under.
I was wondering how long it was going to be before you brought up Hama.
I hate to break it to you, but most Muslims have no delusions about dictators like Saddam Hussein, or Hafez al Assad. These men were wildly unpopular for exactly the reasons you've mentioned. The only reason Saddam enjoyed a surge of popularity at various times during the past 15 years or so was because he was confronting the US...which, to be frank, has come to be resented across the developing world (both in Muslim and non-Muslim nations) for a variety of reasons. Couple that with sympathy for the plight of the Iraqis after American lead UN sanctions starved up to 1,000,000 people to death (according to the UN's 1999 estimates), and you've manufactured a 3rd world hero.
I agree with you...not enough people know about Hama. I suspect that if they did, they would be just as horrified as you are (I have to say though, I'm surprised you don't support al-Assad's actions, after all, if I'm not mistaken, the Ikhwanis had holed themselves up in the city). In any case, in terms of recent massacres of Muslims, I think Srebrenica and the Gujarat Riots (admittedly neither being of the same magnitude as Hama) come to mind before Sabra and Shetila.
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hahaha:cb:
classic.:sadaf:
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Until all people accept the fact , all three faiths which evolved , jewish christianity, and islamic faith have blood on their hands we will be stuck in a quagmire of who killed more and when.
It is about time we recognise the fact all religions need to continually evolve and take into consideration we don't live 1400 years ago or two thousand years ago and more and that religion today in the modern world of ours needs to modify its antiquated dogma to be relevant. Christianity in the middle ages was quite bloody for almost all peoples in Europe. Christianity of the middle ages has no place in todays society and thus we have seen how it has evolved to be more relevant to our times.
THe roman catholic church needs more work to bring it into the 22nd century as it is to be acceptable to future generations. Islam could also do with modernization if it is to appeal to future generations as science, technology , medicine and space exploration dominates our educational and social curriculum.
It's time we moved beyond the world is flat thinking of the middle ages and realize each religion has its own foibles and merits but the most important theme which should dominate our existence is humanity above all else and respect not only for each other but for the environment and for the greatest gift of all given to humankind is life of plants, life in sea and all the beautiful insects, animals and birds which co-exist. We are failing in our religious dogma , we need to modernize of collective thinking , we are failing our environment and we are failing 'other life forms' on this earth.
THere is plenty of land to make a Palestine, lets just get beyond the hatred and evolve a piece of property collectively for the Palestinians. ANd since GOD created earth lets have all faiths, all beliefs including the wiccans, scientologists, the Bhuddists , the Haitian voodoos , the atheists and the agnostics, and all other belief systems too numerable to mention live in harmony in all countries and not be entrenched in the misguided bellief my faith /belief is better than yours or I am better than you for believing as I do. When a mosque, a church, a temple or what ever building can co-exist in each country on the same street without strife and rocket launchings , and beheadings and other such blood carnage then humans will have a chance in all countries to live and choose how they want to be. Freewill should predominate and not fear of it or from it. We truly have no idea what happens once we are dead, some say nothing happens other's say afterlife happens. The reality is this is LIFE NOW, THEREFOR, ENJOY NOW WITH A LITTLE MORE HEART, A LITTLE MORE TOLERANCE AND A LOT MORE TRANSITIONAL THINKING AND ALOT LESS BIAS AND PREJUDICES BE THEY PAROCHIAL OR SIMPLY COLOR ORIENTED.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
Until all people accept the fact , all three faiths which evolved , jewish christianity, and islamic faith have blood on their hands we will be stuck in a quagmire of who killed more and when.
It is about time we recognise the fact all religions need to continually evolve and take into consideration we don't live 1400 years ago or two thousand years ago and more and that religion today in the modern world of ours needs to modify its antiquated dogma to be relevant. Christianity in the middle ages was quite bloody for almost all peoples in Europe. Christianity of the middle ages has no place in todays society and thus we have seen how it has evolved to be more relevant to our times.
THe roman catholic church needs more work to bring it into the 22nd century as it is to be acceptable to future generations. Islam could also do with modernization if it is to appeal to future generations as science, technology , medicine and space exploration dominates our educational and social curriculum.
It's time we moved beyond the world is flat thinking of the middle ages and realize each religion has its own foibles and merits but the most important theme which should dominate our existence is humanity above all else and respect not only for each other but for the environment and for the greatest gift of all given to humankind is life of plants, life in sea and all the beautiful insects, animals and birds which co-exist. We are failing in our religious dogma , we need to modernize of collective thinking , we are failing our environment and we are failing 'other life forms' on this earth.
THere is plenty of land to make a Palestine, lets just get beyond the hatred and evolve a piece of property collectively for the Palestinians. ANd since GOD created earth lets have all faiths, all beliefs including the wiccans, scientologists, the Bhuddists , the Haitian voodoos , the atheists and the agnostics, and all other belief systems too numerable to mention live in harmony in all countries and not be entrenched in the misguided bellief my faith /belief is better than yours or I am better than you for believing as I do. When a mosque, a church, a temple or what ever building can co-exist in each country on the same street without strife and rocket launchings , and beheadings and other such blood carnage then humans will have a chance in all countries to live and choose how they want to be. Freewill should predominate and not fear of it or from it. We truly have no idea what happens once we are dead, some say nothing happens other's say afterlife happens. The reality is this is LIFE NOW, THEREFOR, ENJOY NOW WITH A LITTLE MORE HEART, A LITTLE MORE TOLERANCE AND A LOT MORE TRANSITIONAL THINKING AND ALOT LESS BIAS AND PREJUDICES BE THEY PAROCHIAL OR SIMPLY COLOR ORIENTED.
Please elaborate on the modification of Jewish faith.
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I know there are Orthodox Jews , which personally I can't fathom a belief system as severe as this which is for the ancient days. I have a couple of friends who follow the sabbath very strictly. TO me in this day and age it still an anathema . I have friends who are conservative , reform and liberal and are quit moderate and modern . And I have attended a couple of really fabulous jewish weddings.
Last month my second cousin Asiyah had a lovely wedding, both sexes in attendance , great music including which included Pakistani music, rock , waltzes and african tribal rythms. ANd lots of champagne!!! and the food was a cornucopia of epicurean delights..
Orthodox, fundamentalist and religion based on centuries old ways was good for that period of time but as civilization evolves so must religion. ALlL religions need to be less parochial, less hateful in the name of GOD and less judgemental.
I have friends who are gay, lesbian, actors, professional dancers, artists, teachers, nurses, corporate executives etc ----- Basically from all walks of life and belief system. ANd if one were to follow the judgemental interpretation of supposedly GOD's will most of these people would be condemned based on old antiquated development of religion. ANd still too many religious people of today use the Torah, the Bible , The Koran to espouse hatred and condemnation based on what? --- my god is better than yours?. They say stone her for adultery, punish them for drink, hurt them for dance, etc etc. Seriously , there is something severly wrong when such mentality is still sprouting.
Only 400 years ago it was a sin to think earth was round. Well today many are still in the same sort of mind set.
If we really want to live backwards lets carve stone wheels before people used their meaness to kill and judge in the name of GOD. At least cave man didn't have a God TO FEAR as some today. I am sure GOD does not need us to interpret how others should live their own lives. My parents always imbuded in me a sense of self confidence, obeying civil law, education and free will. And a high calibre for pursuit of intellectual enlightenment through education.
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Good work, Make up the new religion, no ones stopping you. :k:
May Allah Guide us All.
Re: Occupied Palestine...
I know there are Orthodox Jews , which personally I can't fathom a belief system as severe as this which is for the ancient days. I have a couple of friends who follow the sabbath very strictly. TO me in this day and age it still an anathema . I have friends who are conservative , reform and liberal and are quit moderate and modern . And I have attended a couple of really fabulous jewish weddings.
Last month my second cousin Asiyah had a lovely wedding, both sexes in attendance , great music including which included Pakistani music, rock , waltzes and african tribal rythms. ANd lots of champagne!!! and the food was a cornucopia of epicurean delights..
Orthodox, fundamentalist and religion based on centuries old ways was good for that period of time but as civilization evolves so must religion. ALlL religions need to be less parochial, less hateful in the name of GOD and less judgemental.
I have friends who are gay, lesbian, actors, professional dancers, artists, teachers, nurses, corporate executives etc ----- Basically from all walks of life and belief system. ANd if one were to follow the judgemental interpretation of supposedly GOD's will most of these people would be condemned based on old antiquated development of religion. ANd still too many religious people of today use the Torah, the Bible , The Koran to espouse hatred and condemnation based on what? --- my god is better than yours?. They say stone her for adultery, punish them for drink, hurt them for dance, etc etc. Seriously , there is something severly wrong when such mentality is still sprouting. Only 400 years ago it was a sin to think earth was round. Well today many are still in the same sort of mind set.
If we really want to live backwards lets carve stone wheels before people used their meaness to kill and judge in the name of GOD. At least cave man didn't have a God TO FEAR as some today. I am sure GOD does not need us to interpret how others should live their own lives. My parents always imbuded in me a sense of self confidence, obeying civil law, education and free will. And a high calibre for pursuit of intellectual enlightenment through education.
You are comparing oranges with apples or vice versa.
I know a lot of Pakistani Muslim who do the same. That is in no means ppl who follow a "reformed jewish faith", but are just not ready to accept all laws of religion. THe does and dont have low to no value for such people. And since they been born once as Muslim or Jewish or whatsoever faith. You cannot even exclude them as being disbelievers.
I'm not a perfect musilm myself, doesnt mean I follow a reformed form of Islam.