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I would rather they chew their lips off than me telling them lies about Islam…You know what happens to people who lie about Islam…They go to hell…Even Muslims…
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Mr Armughal (NOTE careful spelling!!). Please. Tell me...how, when and where did I ever insult your religion???
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tolerating other religions is not telling them lies about islam
unless you are saying that islam does not promote toleration for other religions
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^^
Taqqiya is not part of Islam…Telling the truth is…And Truth hurts because of people’s inability to tolerate it…
Toleration should not be confused lies…If I tell a non-Muslim that if doesn’t belive in Allah :swt: and the Prophet :saw: he is going to hell, this is the Truth…
Toleration is in the Quran define as: “You to your way and me to mine”…
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Lajwab, remember this…Prophet:saw: did not convert those people to Islam by fear, but with his “seerat” or his ways, the way he spoke, the way he cariied himself and the way he dealt with people. He warned those people of hell fire for sure, but that was not the primary tool of preaching. Sadly with your version of events, Islam is nothing but fear spreading religion and I refuse to believe that. I ask you when have you tried the gentler approach to convey your message without mentioning hell fire. Prophet:saw: was known as “Sadiq” and “Ameen” …even jews left their belongings to him and collected them back later because they trusted him… Have we as muslims even tried to build our character to show that we are worthy?
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if i say that bishops and cardinals (etc etc) r all narow minded, uneducated and ignorant people, tell me which christian in the world wud not think i offended his religion???
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Armughal I am sure you are the authority on decision of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Shame on you for reducing Allah to your decision.....HE is the only one who will judge, not you, not me or anyone else on this earth. Do not reduce HIM to your interpertation of Quran..
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taqqiya? pillows?
yeah i can tell u that u r sick in the head and its the truth and its gonna hurt u cuz its the truth…what kinda logic is that?
again u ASSUME that what u say is the TRUTH and the EVERYONE else is wrong so u have the divine right to go up tp them and tell them they are destined for hell…
how can such a great religion cause such bitterness
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ok where did I EVER say or imply that ALL or even MOST or even a GOOD PERCENTAGE of religious Islaamic leaders are uneducated and ignorant????????????????
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I quote theQuran on who i believe will go to heaven/hell…
and Quran is not a book written by me, but by Allah Almighty Himself…
if u see me saying about anyone that he/she will go to heaven/hell without Quran mentioning it plz let me know that i haev made a mistake…
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as for armughal...i dont even think you are WORTHY of having a discussion with...anyone who thinks that god purposedly killed the children in muzaffrabad becuz of the sicko aataay ke saath gehoon pisti hai logic is just sick.
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^ but you just said it... :D
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and for what reason did God kill the people in the nations of Thamud, Aad, Noah, Lot etc???
or was there a rescue mission to remove the children from these places before bringing about their destrcution???
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^^ u know what? i wasnt there! so i dont claim to know anything about those nations!
but i DO know that these children were innocent and NO KIND GOD DOES THAT!
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Quran may have stated that for certain people, but it also tells you that Allah is most merciful and HE can change his decision if he wants. All you can do is tell those people to chnage their ways with logic…not with or “you will go to hell”…that is not the approach early msulism or our beloved Prophet:saw: adopted. If they would have done that, Islam would not have spread beyond arab states.
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Wow! By now I am convinced that you are one of those mullahs. So, what I said was a mullah is a hypocrite whose Islam consists of (starts from and ends at) 4 marriages. To put it in simpler words, those ‘Islamists’ whose Islam revolves around things I mentioned in my definition of a mullah. So, you bring prophet’s act of 4 marriages to justify what mullah believes in is correct without understanding what Im trying to say (a typical emotional mullah’s way of tackling things).
Mr. Lajjo, you live in the same world as I do. Are you sure you are not aware or have not heard of a single example of what you are asking me to present? Or have I been living on another planet and have all my views messed up and nothing to do with this world? You are closing your eyes to what? People justifying or not being aware of or denying to do something constructive about the very cases faced by the muslims people and in the Islamic countries, rejecting the facts that they even exist are those typical mullahs who think everything and every one else who does not think in their own way is a ‘non-believer’ hence has to be killed. And they strongly believe that’s what has been advocated by Islam, the prophet, the book.
Well, I have nothing more to say but I pray for your and like-wise mullahs to open your hearts. Cz more than any ‘non-believers’ it is you who needs the ;light’ to come to your heart.
I avoid all this cz I do not want to keep banging my head against these stone-heads. I do not have that much strength alone. I believe in what I believe in and I do not preach cz Im sure Im a sinner.
Im outta here.
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^ ever read the story of Moosa (as) and his journeys with Khidhr????
did u read of a child being killed????
God can have many reasons for killing even children....
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The Prophet :saw: was known as ‘Ahmed’. the trustworthy…That was his seerat…I would not dare and venture to say how he would handle a situation, but if for example, let’s say, someone came to him and said;
‘O, Prophet of Allah, I am a Hindu…Will I be going to hell with my beliefs?’
What do you think would the response of the Prophet :saw: be? Remember, the Prophet :saw: was a man of very few words and was given the gift of loaded sentences by Allah :swt:…
Would it be a solid warning of what awaits him or a dubious, half hearted explanation filled with inconsistencies…?
Remember, error stands clear from Truth…The Hindu would have been told that indeed, hellfire does await him unless he comes to the Truth that is Islam…
No doubts, no confusions…Simple, just very simple…
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Armughal, you are sick if you believe that peopel killed in earthquake somehow were punished for their sins or innconet children were just casuality of the punishment. I hope none of your family members were involved in this “punishment”. GS management take note: Is this the image you want to present? Is this how you want to represent Islam to the world " Eqrthuqake victims were punished due to the sins commited by the people". Is that your official stance?
Kamal, Azkar, Muzna, Faisal and Ehsan, are you comfortable with these views as a true representation of these events?
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I am sure he will warn the person, however, there is one big difference Lajwab and that is he will show him What Islam really is. He will not just warn him and ask him to leave (I dont think so). That person will have plent of opportunity to observe the real Islam…remember you cannot change people with fear, it does not work.